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Topic: NK fires short range missile // escalating NK - US tensions (Read 398 times)

hero member
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This will never come to an end. To show them powerful to the outer world the only possible way preferred by each and every country is to show the weapon power. North Korea does it without sticking to the terms that every country is subjected to follow.
legendary
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Most likely what happens with NK is a gradual easing of tension and opening of trade and discussion, such as what happened with Russia, and completely separately with China.

Say over twenty years.
sr. member
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I am alive but in hibernation.
Do you believe in NK media. I have read earlier that their state media broadcast  that their King is no earthly man and do not pass shit.
Did you believed in that shit story too?

Short range missiles are quite different than ICBMs. Rocket Boy may just be testing how far he can go before he provokes a reaction.

For example, suppose his goal was to denuclearize but perfect precision short range tactical rockets? He may think there is an export market for those.

No doubt in the new as South Korea also confirmed their testing of missiles in sea of Japan.
On the side note, I also read that their current testing of short range missile is not in violation of their promises/treaty with USA.
might be they are impatient to get some aid now.


NK currently has “elections” but they are not real.

The current NK government has removed many basic freedoms from its people, such as freedom of speech, even among other citizens speaking 1:1. It also has millions of its citizens in what amounts to concentration camps that use forced labor, who were convicted of questionable crimes under questionable circumstances.

I can’t imagine how anyone could possibly think this is how the NK people want to live.

I find the situation sad. oppressor of fundamental rights is being invited and promised of rosy picture ahead.
No more coming good days for NK citizens.
copper member
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At least you admit to ignoring history.  No one said North Korea was wealthier than South Korea so its strange you are ONLY looking at something that isn't on-topic.   Even though you are ONLY looking at today's economic picture, you are completely disregarding how we arrived at that economic picture and how the economics evolved over time.

It's unnecessary.

Trump has invited Rocket Boy to defuse tensions, told him to share in the wealth is possible, and given him a guarantee of protection.

Trump has outright told NK they can be as rich as SK, and US will help them get to that point.

That's what matters. The NOW. The path FORWARD.

And your anger is because it's not COMMUNIST.

And it never will be.
No I have no interest in what the path forward for Korea is.  My anger is that the US wants to dictate the path forward for people on the other side of the world so much that it is trying to extort them into not defending themselves..  I say that the path forward for Korea should be left to the people of Korea and should have always been.  And no one believes the US.  The US has no credibility.  Asks Libya how working with the US worked out.  Ask the native americans how treaties with the US worked out...
NK currently has “elections” but they are not real.

The current NK government has removed many basic freedoms from its people, such as freedom of speech, even among other citizens speaking 1:1. It also has millions of its citizens in what amounts to concentration camps that use forced labor, who were convicted of questionable crimes under questionable circumstances.

I can’t imagine how anyone could possibly think this is how the NK people want to live.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
Do you believe in NK media. I have read earlier that their state media broadcast  that their King is no earthly man and do not pass shit.
Did you believed in that shit story too?

Short range missiles are quite different than ICBMs. Rocket Boy may just be testing how far he can go before he provokes a reaction.

For example, suppose his goal was to denuclearize but perfect precision short range tactical rockets? He may think there is an export market for those.
legendary
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Having a war is really the thing we have to always check because there is a lot of people that will be affected with it without even knowing it.
NK is a really have military strength focused country that is doing their best to develop their war capabilities.
Even if NK is a smaller country, it is so much strong with influence and character.
The US should consider them as well.
Trump must listen to Jared's advice as Jared is a genius person.
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@cryptocommies
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At least you admit to ignoring history.  No one said North Korea was wealthier than South Korea so its strange you are ONLY looking at something that isn't on-topic.   Even though you are ONLY looking at today's economic picture, you are completely disregarding how we arrived at that economic picture and how the economics evolved over time.

It's unnecessary.

Trump has invited Rocket Boy to defuse tensions, told him to share in the wealth is possible, and given him a guarantee of protection.

Trump has outright told NK they can be as rich as SK, and US will help them get to that point.

That's what matters. The NOW. The path FORWARD.

And your anger is because it's not COMMUNIST.

And it never will be.
No I have no interest in what the path forward for Korea is.  My anger is that the US wants to dictate the path forward for people on the other side of the world so much that it is trying to extort them into not defending themselves..  I say that the path forward for Korea should be left to the people of Korea and should have always been.  And no one believes the US.  The US has no credibility.  Asks Libya how working with the US worked out.  Ask the native americans how treaties with the US worked out...
copper member
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The South Korea defense ministry has said that North Korea has fired a short range missile at 9:06 am local time
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
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At least you admit to ignoring history.  No one said North Korea was wealthier than South Korea so its strange you are ONLY looking at something that isn't on-topic.   Even though you are ONLY looking at today's economic picture, you are completely disregarding how we arrived at that economic picture and how the economics evolved over time.

It's unnecessary.

Trump has invited Rocket Boy to defuse tensions, told him to share in the wealth is possible, and given him a guarantee of protection.

Trump has outright told NK they can be as rich as SK, and US will help them get to that point.

That's what matters. The NOW. The path FORWARD.

And your anger is because it's not COMMUNIST.

And it never will be.
legendary
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Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
At least you admit to ignoring history.  No one said North Korea was wealthier than South Korea so its strange you are ONLY looking at something that isn't on-topic.   Even though you are ONLY looking at today's economic picture, you are completely disregarding how we arrived at that economic picture and how the economics evolved over time.

I would be proud of you if you could at least apply those same statistical categories to the US to analyze how the system here is inferior to that of the social democracies of Scandinavia but I'm sure you already have some sort of double standard prepared.

Its kind of weird reading a living contradiction personified in human form.
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@cryptocommies
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The DPRK government does not act the same way the US government acts, not by a large margin. NK doesn't go to war, so it doesn't have to pretend it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the DPRK has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of defending itself from American invasion and occupation...

It's well understood that the unprovoked war by NK on SK in 1950 had as its goal unifying Korea as one communist nation.

You are talking about a conflict that should have only been a civil conflict within Korea and not a world war where the US tries to dictate what happens on the other side of the world.  To state "unprovoked" so matter of factly makes me believe you have no bothered to look into the details.  I invite you to take a deeper, more precise look into the history for historical context.  I know most people won't care to learn about the detailed history of the situation (or they would have already?) but I will put it out here for you anyway.  


First, you need to learn about the People's republic of Korea, the first post-war government, established according to the will of the Korean people at the end of Japanese rule, and rejected by the US who wanted to control the fate of Korea themselves.  They placed South Korea under the authoritarian rule of an American general and suppressed the people's repubic.  

Since 1950 the difference in economic growth of the two Koreas is breathtaking.


You mean since 1976?  Another key detail you either didn't know or choose to omit in order to sound more convincing.  North Korea was more economically advanced than South Korea for 25 years and didn't stagnate until the 80s.  So many people form such strong opinions with so little information and without even bothering to look into context.

Actually I can and am ignoring your drivel and that is justified because I'm only looking at the economic picture.

A bit more of that, from the same reference.

North Korea operates under a tightly controlled command or planned economy, which is often labeled an unreformed dictatorial economy.

South Korea, which is a mixed economy, has seen significant growth, putting it in the top 20 countries by GDP in the world.

Some more interesting facts.

https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/south-korea.north-korea
Men live to average age 79 in NK, 66 in SK. Female 86 to 75. Infant mortality, SK 3.0/1000 NK 22/1000.
Severely underweight children < 5 years of age SK 0.7%, NK 15%

Got a few problems there with your commie paradise, buddy?
At least you admit to ignoring history.  No one said North Korea was wealthier than South Korea so its strange you are ONLY looking at something that isn't on-topic.   Even though you are ONLY looking at today's economic picture, you are completely disregarding how we arrived at that economic picture and how the economics evolved over time.

I would be proud of you if you could at least apply those same statistical categories to the US to analyze how the system here is inferior to that of the social democracies of Scandinavia but I'm sure you already have some sort of double standard prepared.
copper member
Activity: 2926
Merit: 2348
Do you believe in NK media. I have read earlier that their state media broadcast  that their King is no earthly man and do not pass shit.
Did you believed in that shit story too?
The NK state media is obviously the same as what Kim Jung Un is saying.

In other words, Un is saying "we just tested a new weapon". This is something I would be concerned about
sr. member
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Merit: 395
I am alive but in hibernation.
Do you believe in NK media. I have read earlier that their state media broadcast  that their King is no earthly man and do not pass shit.
Did you believed in that shit story too?
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
Commies got definitely some correct points wrt the usa.

Since the US became the world super power the game was either submit to the US or get bombed to the stoneage.

Being bombed to the stoneage and being communist at the same time is probaly the worst possible combination ever.


Edit:

Being bombed to the stoneage doesnt necessary involve real bombs and rockets.
legendary
Activity: 2912
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The DPRK government does not act the same way the US government acts, not by a large margin. NK doesn't go to war, so it doesn't have to pretend it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the DPRK has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of defending itself from American invasion and occupation...

It's well understood that the unprovoked war by NK on SK in 1950 had as its goal unifying Korea as one communist nation.

You are talking about a conflict that should have only been a civil conflict within Korea and not a world war where the US tries to dictate what happens on the other side of the world.  To state "unprovoked" so matter of factly makes me believe you have no bothered to look into the details.  I invite you to take a deeper, more precise look into the history for historical context.  I know most people won't care to learn about the detailed history of the situation (or they would have already?) but I will put it out here for you anyway.  


First, you need to learn about the People's republic of Korea, the first post-war government, established according to the will of the Korean people at the end of Japanese rule, and rejected by the US who wanted to control the fate of Korea themselves.  They placed South Korea under the authoritarian rule of an American general and suppressed the people's repubic.  

Since 1950 the difference in economic growth of the two Koreas is breathtaking.


You mean since 1976?  Another key detail you either didn't know or choose to omit in order to sound more convincing.  North Korea was more economically advanced than South Korea for 25 years and didn't stagnate until the 80s.  So many people form such strong opinions with so little information and without even bothering to look into context.

Actually I can and am ignoring your drivel and that is justified because I'm only looking at the economic picture.

A bit more of that, from the same reference.

North Korea operates under a tightly controlled command or planned economy, which is often labeled an unreformed dictatorial economy.

South Korea, which is a mixed economy, has seen significant growth, putting it in the top 20 countries by GDP in the world.

Some more interesting facts.

https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/south-korea.north-korea
Men live to average age 79 in NK, 66 in SK. Female 86 to 75. Infant mortality, SK 3.0/1000 NK 22/1000.
Severely underweight children < 5 years of age SK 0.7%, NK 15%

Got a few problems there with your commie paradise, buddy?
copper member
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Nearly every military conflict during the Cold War was effectively a proxy war between the West and the Communist countries. The Communists were doing the same thing the US was doing (intervening) via the North.
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@cryptocommies
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The DPRK government does not act the same way the US government acts, not by a large margin. NK doesn't go to war, so it doesn't have to pretend it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the DPRK has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of defending itself from American invasion and occupation...

It's well understood that the unprovoked war by NK on SK in 1950 had as its goal unifying Korea as one communist nation.

You are talking about a conflict that should have only been a civil conflict within Korea and not a world war where the US tries to dictate what happens on the other side of the world.  To state "unprovoked" so matter of factly makes me believe you have no bothered to look into the details.  I invite you to take a deeper, more precise look into the history for historical context.  I know most people won't care to learn about the detailed history of the situation (or they would have already?) but I will put it out here for you anyway.  


First, you need to learn about the People's republic of Korea, the first post-war government, established according to the will of the Korean people at the end of Japanese rule, and rejected by the US who wanted to control the fate of Korea themselves.  They placed South Korea under the authoritarian rule of an American general and suppressed the people's repubic.  

Since 1950 the difference in economic growth of the two Koreas is breathtaking.


You mean since 1976?  Another key detail you either didn't know or choose to omit in order to sound more convincing.  North Korea was more economically advanced than South Korea for 25 years and didn't stagnate until the 80s.  So many people form such strong opinions with so little information and without even bothering to look into context.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
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The DPRK government does not act the same way the US government acts, not by a large margin. NK doesn't go to war, so it doesn't have to pretend it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the DPRK has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of defending itself from American invasion and occupation...

It's well understood that the unprovoked war by NK on SK in 1950 had as its goal unifying Korea as one communist nation.

Since 1950 the difference in economic growth of the two Koreas is breathtaking.

South Korea's economy has surpassed that of its neighbor to the north many times over. North Korea's GDP was estimated to be $40 billion in 2015, while that of South Korea was $1.92 trillion for the same period. South Korea's GDP per capita in 2015 was estimated to be $37,600, while North Korea's was $1,700. South Korea’s trade volume was a gigantic $1.07 trillion in 2013. By comparison, North Korea reported a relatively minuscule $7.3 billion.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/040515/north-korean-vs-south-korean-economies.asp
full member
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@cryptocommies
The ultimate goal is to put an end to the risk of War/armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula.

The North Korean government is also not very nice, and has a long history of human rights violations, and heavy handed tactics to stop dissent within the country. It is also, along with Iran, a state sponsor of Terrorism. The NK government may not act rationally in trying to defend itself. The NK government has previously threatened to launch Nuclear Missiles to US cities.

Simply put, it is unacceptable for the NK government to have nuclear weapons capable of hitting targets allied with the United States. It appears to be the goal of the NK government to develop technology capable of hitting targets located in the US mainland.

The United States government does not act the same way the NK government acts, not by a large margin. When the US goes to war, it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the US has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of solving other peoples problems, such as overthrowing tyrants, and dictators, and to stop the spread of communism/socialism, that has killed hundreds of millions of people over the past century.     
The ultimate goal is to put an end to the risk of War/armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula.

The American government is also not very nice, and has a long history of human rights violations, and heavy handed tactics to stop dissent around the world. It is also, along with Saudi Arabia, a state sponsor of Terrorism. The US government may not act rationally in trying to defend itself. The US government has previously used Nuclear weapons and invaded countries without provocation.

Simply put, it is unacceptable for the US government to have nuclear weapons. It appears to be the goal of the US government to deploy technology capable of hitting targets located in DPRK

The DPRK government does not act the same way the US government acts, not by a large margin. NK doesn't go to war, so it doesn't have to pretend it goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. Wars, and military conflicts the DPRK has been involved in over the past century have had the goal of defending itself from American invasion and occupation

It is important to understand that NK already gave such denuclearization promises multiple times and every time they failed their promises as soon as they got some benefit.
This time looks exactly the same: Trump tried to force China not to export any oil to NK and this time China was ready to do it. As we know the economy of any country is not working without oil and NK is not an exception so Kim decided to start a conversation... Again...
Well, as we see not their dialogue failed and everything goes the same way as it was before.


"Stop defending yourself and we will let your people eat" is not diplomacy, its more like extortion
legendary
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It is impossible to take anything that North Korea takes seriously, it is in their best interests to act like they have an effective military and all the latest weapons. While I have no doubt they could do some serious damage to surrounding countries, that is more due to the sheer amount of manpower and less to do with technology.
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