Topic: No FCC or UL label on BFL's Jalapeño - page 5. (Read 9682 times)
I would suggest that as a US company, BFL is 'more' bound to be FCC approved. Avalon would only be being naughty when it sold units into FCC zone countries, where as say its domestic China units can probably do what they want.
But why not the same "concern" over avalon or asicminer products. Thats what makes this a troll thread the fake concern over it being compliant.
Because BFL started. It was a BFL shill that gave all the other ASIC producers a hard time claiming they better get FCC approval or they would be shut down. Then BFL reinforced it by claiming to have FCC approval in the works to scare the other ASIC manufacturers away. Now it turns out BFL never did have FCC approval in the works, and it was simply a scare tactic to eliminate any competition.
Still didn't answer my Q. What makes the other manufactures immune from this same level of scrutiny? How about the guy that's going to put the Avalon chips on the pcbs for the DIY crowd. You gonna hound him too about making sure his completed asic is UL and FCC compliant. so because he doesnt come on the board and piss off people, he gets a free pass from the FCC?
Just saying, this is what makes posts like this a troll post. If you are really concerned about asics being UL and FCC compliant, be consistent about it. Just becuase BFL lied and doesn't give other manu's a free pass, lol.
BFL brought up the FCC first. BFL didn't walk their own talk. BFL got a thread about not walking their talk.
Re: Avalon, please cite your evidence that Avalon did not get FCC and UL approval for their product. I currently have no such evidence, I haven't seen any posted. The only time anyone has brought it up has been you trying to deflect talk from BFL.
But why not the same "concern" over avalon or asicminer products. Thats what makes this a troll thread the fake concern over it being compliant.
Because BFL started. It was a BFL shill that gave all the other ASIC producers a hard time claiming they better get FCC approval or they would be shut down. Then BFL reinforced it by claiming to have FCC approval in the works to scare the other ASIC manufacturers away. Now it turns out BFL never did have FCC approval in the works, and it was simply a scare tactic to eliminate any competition.
Still didn't answer my Q. What makes the other manufactures immune from this same level of scrutiny? How about the guy that's going to put the Avalon chips on the pcbs for the DIY crowd. You gonna hound him too about making sure his completed asic is UL and FCC compliant. so because he doesnt come on the board and piss off people, he gets a free pass from the FCC?
Just saying, this is what makes posts like this a troll post. If you are really concerned about asics being UL and FCC compliant, be consistent about it. Just becuase BFL lied and doesn't give other manu's a free pass, lol.
Details....details....
It is not like anyone is actually going to report them to the FCC!
If I wasn't the nice person that I am, I would sure as hell report them!... And hopefully delay them another 4-5 months while I get my Avalon chips It is not like anyone is actually going to report them to the FCC!
Details....details....
It is not like anyone is actually going to report them to the FCC!
It is not like anyone is actually going to report them to the FCC!
But why not the same "concern" over avalon or asicminer products. Thats what makes this a troll thread the fake concern over it being compliant.
Because BFL started. It was a BFL shill that gave all the other ASIC producers a hard time claiming they better get FCC approval or they would be shut down. Then BFL reinforced it by claiming to have FCC approval in the works to scare the other ASIC manufacturers away. Now it turns out BFL never did have FCC approval in the works, and it was simply a scare tactic to eliminate any competition.
Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] 
That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO.
Then you rage.
Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care.
Personally I don't give a crap if BFL has FCC cert or not. I don't give crap about this idiotic and corrupted dept. You can bribe them and they will come up with laws in your favor. That of course if you have big enough bribe. (Recall history of television at the beginning of the last century. Nice corruption drama. HDTV crap also the same way, they forced crappiest codec for OTA broadcast and other amazing things.) Their cert is useless to me, so they can shove it
If BFL didn't need FCC certification, they would have stated such with provided reasoning, oppose to claiming back in November that such certification was in the works, which has proven to not be the case.
Even after a myriad of requests on this forum (not just me) and theirs (I'm not registered) to further discuss the FCC issue, they've opted to ignore it.
Even after a myriad of requests on this forum (not just me) and theirs (I'm not registered) to further discuss the FCC issue, they've opted to ignore it.
FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes.
Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?
Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.
black box Noun
Any complex piece of equipment, typically a unit in an electronic system, with contents that are mysterious to the user.
Was I the /only/ one to immediately think about another kind of blackboxes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box_%28phreaking%29
I feel old.
No, you were not the only one. And I feel old too.
FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes.
Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?
Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.
black box Noun
Any complex piece of equipment, typically a unit in an electronic system, with contents that are mysterious to the user.
Was I the /only/ one to immediately think about another kind of blackboxes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box_%28phreaking%29
I feel old.
Does Avalon have fcc approval
?Avalon isn't a US company, nor did they ever claim to have applied for FCC approval.
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But FCC? Can anyone explain? Miners do not emit any radio frequency, do they? They don't even talk to the network (computer does)
FCC regulations also cover devices that do not intentionally emit electromagnetic radiation (these are called unintentional radiators). Pretty much any electronic device sold in the U.S. needs to pass FCC regulations, and the seller must have a certificate saying so, issued by a certified testing facility.Of course, the regulations on unintentional radiators are much more lax than the regulations on things like cellphones that are built to emit RF.
Testing on simple, unintentional radiators takes a day or two (as has already been mentioned), and can be quite affordable for devices that pass quickly. I've been through the process, and it's really quite boring. BFL's devices themselves will pass easily, but there is one caveat. When you go to test a device, it has to be set up in the way a typical customer would use it. That means a computer and the power supply need to be in the test chamber with the device; everything needs to be hooked up and running. While that may sound simple, "Well the computer is already FCC certified. No big deal!" you will quickly discover that most equipment fails FCC testing (despite being "certified"). That is easily the biggest time sink. That and the power supply ... oh god.
As for the consequences for not being FCC certified ... meh. If the FCC contacts BFL, they will have to present the certificate or be fined. It is highly unlikely the FCC will contact them.
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To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday:
The FCC doesn't receive your device (at least for unintentional radiators). You have to take it to a certified testing facility (private companies) to have it tested and certified. I don't recall even submitting paperwork to the FCC the last time I was in that rodeo, though the facility may have. Regardless, I doubt there's a list; it would be huge and expensive to maintain.By the way, a product doesn't always need the FCC mark on it. In fact, it's illegal to put it on there, depending on what kind of device it is.
If you guys are unhappy with a company, seeking vengeance through an FCC complaint isn't the answer in my opinion. I would rather my tax dollars not be spent that way. Instead, vote with your wallet; ask for a refund and don't buy from them.
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resTnZa3erg&feature=youtu.be
The accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts.
If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified.
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.
With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.
The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law.
Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N
Search it yourself.
The accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts.
If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified.
When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.
With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.
The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law.
Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N
Search it yourself.
Does Avalon have fcc approval
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what the hell FCC has anything to do with BFL device?
UL certification yeah, I get. But FCC? Can anyone explain? Miners do not emit any radio frequency, do they? They don't even talk to the network (computer does)
UL certification yeah, I get. But FCC? Can anyone explain? Miners do not emit any radio frequency, do they? They don't even talk to the network (computer does)
Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!]
That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO.
Then you rage.
Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care.
Eh.. Yes and no..
It should get certified for lots of reasons.
If it's not UL listed, I sure as hell wouldn't plug it in. There ABSOLUTELY have been cases of insurance companies refusing to pay for a burned down house/building because the fire was caused by an unlisted device.
Enigma
Yeah, UL is a different story. The FCC stuff is pretty benign...unless you get malignant tumors from RF. Then not so benign.
I agree with the FCC regulation being benign, but it is the law, just like wearing a seatbelt is the law.
The UL requirement is not mandatory across the US, but is in many jurisdictions, hence companies who manufacture electrical device opt for the certification since they're most likely going to ship their products to such jurisdictions.
Many municipalities, especially the larger ones, passed such laws to protect their citizens living in apartments, and elsewhere, from fires due to faulty unregulated appliances.
I ain't got a clue as to how they were able to ship their previous line to Europe without a CE label, but I'm sure it was illegal.
They're more than happy to come here and state their case as to how they're able to circumnavigate all three of these regulations.
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