No FCC or UL label on BFL's Jalapeño - page 6.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2013, 09:06:23 PM

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resTnZa3erg&feature=youtu.be

The accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts.

If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified.

Quote from: Inaba on November 03, 2012, 12:03:19 AM

Quote from: abracadabra on November 02, 2012, 06:36:06 PM

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.

The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law.

Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N

Search it yourself.

+1 ... but now will anyone do anything about this at all? That might be the real question right?

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FCC web site says testing only takes 1-2 days if it passes on the first test.

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Quote from: Enigma81 on April 27, 2013, 11:46:09 PM

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Quote from: wrenchmonkey on April 27, 2013, 11:31:00 PM

Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] Roll Eyes

That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO.
Then you rage. Grin

Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care.

Eh.. Yes and no..

It should get certified for lots of reasons.

If it's not UL listed, I sure as hell wouldn't plug it in. There ABSOLUTELY have been cases of insurance companies refusing to pay for a burned down house/building because the fire was caused by an unlisted device.

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Yeah, UL is a different story. The FCC stuff is pretty benign...unless you get malignant tumors from RF. Then not so benign.

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Quote from: k9quaint on April 27, 2013, 11:41:42 PM

Quote from: wrenchmonkey on April 27, 2013, 11:31:00 PM

Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] Roll Eyes

That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO.
Then you rage. Grin

Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care.

Eh.. Yes and no..

It should get certified for lots of reasons.

If it's not UL listed, I sure as hell wouldn't plug it in. There ABSOLUTELY have been cases of insurance companies refusing to pay for a burned down house/building because the fire was caused by an unlisted device.

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Quote from: wrenchmonkey on April 27, 2013, 11:31:00 PM

Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] Roll Eyes

That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO.
Then you rage. Grin

Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2013, 10:50:37 PM

Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?

No such exemption exists. FCC Certification is mandatory for the BFL Products (And Avalon, I might add)

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Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] Roll Eyes

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Quote from: k9quaint on April 27, 2013, 11:07:08 PM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2013, 10:50:37 PM

Quote from: k9quaint on April 27, 2013, 10:24:26 PM

Quote from: Quix on April 27, 2013, 09:24:56 PM

FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...

In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes.

Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?

I don't know.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2013, 10:50:37 PM

Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.

black box
Noun
Any complex piece of equipment, typically a unit in an electronic system, with contents that are mysterious to the user.

Ironically, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read the term, immediately thinking back to high school in science class where we had to build a black box out using a shoe box and put an item in it so the rest of the class can deduce what's inside. What I put inside mine was...wait for it...a key (seriously--a common, obsolete house key).

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2013, 10:50:37 PM

Quote from: k9quaint on April 27, 2013, 10:24:26 PM

Quote from: Quix on April 27, 2013, 09:24:56 PM

FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...

In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes.

Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?

I don't know.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 27, 2013, 10:50:37 PM

Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.

black box
Noun
Any complex piece of equipment, typically a unit in an electronic system, with contents that are mysterious to the user.

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Interesting.

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Quote from: k9quaint on April 27, 2013, 10:24:26 PM

Quote from: Quix on April 27, 2013, 09:24:56 PM

FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...

In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes.

Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?

Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.

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Quote from: Quix on April 27, 2013, 09:24:56 PM

FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...

In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes.

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Quote from: Quix on April 27, 2013, 09:24:56 PM

FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...

I assume it's a lot cheaper than the imposed fines that can run into hundreds of thousands of dollars on manufacturers and retailers who sell products that don't conform.

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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...

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And no one gave a flying fuck.

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Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resTnZa3erg&feature=youtu.be

The accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts.

If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified.

Quote from: Inaba on November 03, 2012, 12:03:19 AM

Quote from: abracadabra on November 02, 2012, 06:36:06 PM

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.

The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law.

Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N

Search it yourself.

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