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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 01, 2022, 09:29:52 AM

Too bad to see how devastating if the FUDs hit the market before but for now, people are actually had learned already and they become more hesitant upon hearing them. We are still surrounded by these things, fake news, and market manipulations but to look at how they respond to this, they remain calm and that is how to see the market never went down too fast, instead it stays calm and still healthy.

It is really possible to have recoveries this month, not that strong but I feel it.

What do you guys think about it?

It's a pity but FUD is a form of market factor and it always accompanies any period when their short positions are put at a disadvantage in the face of a strong market trend. Lol, the plans to spread FUD are not under control, it is easy to create panic to consolidate short position and worry about it. That always reflects often in deadlock conditions. So, at FUD, always be optimistic and think clearly, they will be at a disadvantage in the above points. I think the FUD sentiment of March is blowing from the Fed and the sound of the market is in the recovery phase reinforces the balance at the $40k zone, if there are no surprises I guess the market could move sideways for a long time a little more before the spike

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Quote from: Johnyz on March 03, 2022, 04:55:17 PM

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There's still some FUD that's successful at making people move their crypto, they're just making it much more complicated and not an outright FUD, they might not win the market but I am sure that it's still going to make the FUD spreader some money since manipulation in the market is something that's not new.

They always succeed to spread FUD and that’s why the market drops, its pretty normal to see people on panic but let’s not expect those FUD will last since investors will realize later that the market is not that bad, and it will recover soon. FUD becomes necessary here to correct the market, too bad for those who panic and sell at a big loss.

They were probably newbies who haven't experienced a FUD before and after that FUD or after they sold their crypto they will realize soon that they have been played by the manipulators. Lucky for us we know what was coming before it gets worse since the internet is full of scammers and different kinds of market manipulators. I guess FUD is essential in this market I don't know if this kind of strategy is acceptable or nah let them do their strategy to make profit in trading. lol

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Quote from: Obito on March 03, 2022, 02:10:04 AM

There's still some FUD that's successful at making people move their crypto, they're just making it much more complicated and not an outright FUD, they might not win the market but I am sure that it's still going to make the FUD spreader some money since manipulation in the market is something that's not new.

They always succeed to spread FUD and that’s why the market drops, its pretty normal to see people on panic but let’s not expect those FUD will last since investors will realize later that the market is not that bad, and it will recover soon. FUD becomes necessary here to correct the market, too bad for those who panic and sell at a big loss.

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Many retail traders probably put in market sell orders for their stocks before the open, and that’s why we got the huge gap down and completely reversed. This is one example why you shouldn’t believe too much into FUD.

But somehow if not for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the fud will still be a holding water till now because the prediction was seriously pushing btc price down. There are two factors that could have changed the fud and one is the current war as it is going on now and giving bitcoin a recognition and legalization laws going on in Ukraine and Russia before this war started.

It is not about the short term FUD of the crypto prices. It could still drop tomorrow, it could be 30k by this time next week. However, the reality is that whatever happens in the world, if it is a bad thing then it impacts bitcoin for short term then it goes up, because people want to avoid fiat, then if it is a good thing people end up with more fiat and then they spend it on bitcoin as well.

Remember when people got 1.2k checks from American government? That increased the price as well. All in all I am saying is that people are moving towards crypto because they lost faith in fiat and that will be true in anything good or bad. That's the reality.

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Quote from: Obito on March 03, 2022, 02:10:04 AM

There's still some FUD that's successful at making people move their crypto, they're just making it much more complicated and not an outright FUD, they might not win the market but I am sure that it's still going to make the FUD spreader some money since manipulation in the market is something that's not new.

There's no such thing a market that wont be affected by a FUD and we would might able to see it on next days or months or years to come because you dont know on when emotional aspect or reaction

of the community would do about those sentiments specially on negative would neither really get some attention or would be simply ignored and we couldnt tell on what would be the situation would be.

So always expect the unexpected because this is something not an assurance that we had already get rid of it.

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I feel that the market is starting to improve now, Bitcoin succeeded in recovering from the effects caused by the Ukrainian crisis on global markets, it returned to the 45k$ point and then there was a slight correction but I think it will return to glory, if Bitcoin succeeds in reaching the 48k$ point, it will This is the point of rising to higher levels, the market is generally positive, and despite the war and all the negative news that affected the financial markets in general, Bitcoin is still in a good position, which indicates the increasing confidence of investors in the strength of Bitcoin and that it is a store of value.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 02, 2022, 10:07:18 PM

Many retail traders probably put in market sell orders for their stocks before the open, and that’s why we got the huge gap down and completely reversed. This is one example why you shouldn’t believe too much into FUD.

But somehow if not for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the fud will still be a holding water till now because the prediction was seriously pushing btc price down. There are two factors that could have changed the fud and one is the current war as it is going on now and giving bitcoin a recognition and legalization laws going on in Ukraine and Russia before this war started.

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There's still some FUD that's successful at making people move their crypto, they're just making it much more complicated and not an outright FUD, they might not win the market but I am sure that it's still going to make the FUD spreader some money since manipulation in the market is something that's not new.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 01, 2022, 09:29:52 AM

Too bad to see how devastating if the FUDs hit the market before but for now, people are actually had learned already and they become more hesitant upon hearing them.

I agree but things are a little more complicated. My observation is that people have only learned not to react to old and overused FUDs not the brand new ones that the market manipulators come up with.

Take the "China banned bitcoin" FUD for example. It is one of the oldest and most used FUDs that we have seen in bitcoin world ever since 2013 (at least that is the oldest case I know of). People learned not to react to this and we've seen how its effects have been diminishing over time to almost no effects.

But then take the "war" FUD that we recently saw. This was a brand new FUD they came up with trying to scare the weak hands into selling. It worked to some extent although its effects have been very small (about -20% and only 10 days).

All we can do is fight the FUD and try to educate people that they shouldn't act irrationally whenever some nonsense is spread on the internet. Worst of all if they are telling them something that doesn't even make sense like the recent "war" FUD which if anything price should have surged up to $80k because of the fear not go down!

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Yes, FUD is a part of the market and will always give traders and investors fear and worry. But it seems like FUD doesn't have much effect on the market because the market itself is slowly starting to move in a good direction even though market conditions have decreased now, and this is probably a temporary correction that usually occurs.

As long as we do not affect the negative news from FUD and can remain calm, we will see clearly what is happening in the market and know what to do. Right now, bitcoin is at the $43k level and still needs another $7k to get back to the $50k level. Even though it looks like there's just a little bit more to go to reach $50k, we still have to watch out for FUDs as they will never stop making the market volatile.

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There is no way to prevent FUDs, it is part of the crypto market and they will always attack the market causing us to panic sell. But nowadays most people ignore FUDs probably because they appear so much it only affects bitcoin price for a short period of time.
Yes. The war has impacted bitcoin's uptrend in recent days. Shows the importance of bitcoin is undeniable, I believe bitcoin price will hit $50k this March.

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Well the recent fud was the russian invasion. Remember last week when stock market futures and cryptos crashed over night. People were predicting the stock market would have to get halted. Then when the stock market opened we had a huge rally and another huge rally the next day.

Many retail traders probably put in market sell orders for their stocks before the open, and that’s why we got the huge gap down and completely reversed. This is one example why you shouldn’t believe too much into FUD.

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FUDs and talks of manipulation are always a part of the Bitcoin market. All kinds of rumors and news are influencing the market in one way or another in different degrees, but the point is that it cannot be the sole force in the market. The fact is that fiat is falling. Inflation is rising too high. There is a war going on somewhere and people are taking their money away from the banks. These are all real life situations which are stronger in influence to the market than the FUDs and other baseless rumors.

Yep, any financial markets like Stocks too involved a lot of FUD and subtle manipulation (insider trading, but the repercussions are jail time if you have been caught). So it might affect the market, the only difference I think with bitcoin is that it shows resiliency with this kind of attacks. The thing with war is that both sides that kind advantage of bitcoin, they can take their wealth into it, travel outside of the border bring their usb or hardware wallet and voila, their money is preserved even if there are a lot of negative news inside the warring zone.

That's my thoughts too. Bitcoin is probably more resilient to FUDs than the stock market. It's probably because Bitcoin is more independent.

Let me correct it a little, Bitcoin is perfect in times of war and peace. Bitcoin is not the best currency during a war. It is the best currency. So that's regardless whether the times are chaotic and violent or not. In times of peace, Bitcoin is still a lot better than fiat. In times of war, fiat will be crippled. The advantages of Bitcoin become more emphasized.

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I dont know about news or feelings but the plain chart says recovery is quite possible as we have outlasted the downtrend. Its a classis staircase jagged price upwards, not easy but quite probable further gains develop. The pivotal price for me is to hold 43k on multiple weekly bars. If we do that much it will do well medium term imo
Just over the top of here is yearly averages, a big measure but moving averages are a take on momentum and its not resistance in of itself. We can beat that if buys should sustain, not a time to be negative.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 01, 2022, 09:46:16 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on March 01, 2022, 09:29:52 AM

It is really possible to have recoveries this month, not that strong but I feel it.

If the ATH is $69000, do you think bitcoin can still get to that price? I do not think that can happen anytime soon, but bitcoin will get to over $100000 one day, but it can take long.

What I am considering now is that bitcoin price may decrease back to $30000 which I am thinking to be the support price, while also increase back to over $40000. This can happen for long period of time until the price will break $69000, heading to $100000 and above.

Well, I'm not thinking yet that we reached back to $69k this month but as per to see, the market seems growing and back on track after the corrections which obviously a sign that we are in recovery. We can't go that instantly, it always takes a few weeks or even months but at least we have seen changes and I felt it right.

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What I can advice you is that if you want to hold, you can hold, bitcoin will not fail.

Yes, people are holding as they know the market won't stay in the dump forever. In fact, we have had this situation several times and we believe that we can surpass this.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 02, 2022, 02:24:16 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on March 01, 2022, 09:29:52 AM

Too bad to see how devastating if the FUDs hit the market before but for now, people are actually had learned already and they become more hesitant upon hearing them. We are still surrounded by these things, fake news, and market manipulations but to look at how they respond to this, they remain calm and that is how to see the market never went down too fast, instead it stays calm and still healthy.

It is really possible to have recoveries this month, not that strong but I feel it.

What do you guys think about it?

If there is indeed more resistance against FUD, something from which there is not much evidence to sustain that claim, then I think this would be because bitcoin has changed hands and it went from people that were easy to manipulate into selling their coins to people that have diamond hands and will sell under no circumstance, so it is not like the newbies improved significantly and now they cannot be deceived, it is just they control less bitcoin than before.

With more institutional investors who plan well their participation in this investment, it won't be easy for anyone to manipulate the market, not unless those people are planning to work alongside with the fuds to earn more. But like how you saw the progress, it's no longer an easy task to move the market. The chance of losing if you failed to work it out is very possible.

You needed to be wise if you want to continue working on this investment. It will add to more strong holders and it will be a good sign.

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Quote from: Quidat on March 01, 2022, 06:24:48 PM

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Fud will always be there and panics will happen at most times due to the nature of the new investors and they'll never be gone.

The recovery has always been too quick because that's the normal posture of bitcoin whenever it goes down. We're good if we're not panicking when there are bad news and sudden corrections.

That's how we should react and worry not with what others feel. Because no matter what the FUD is, we get used to it or not, the market has always been unpredictable.

Its always been part of market on which you should really prepare up yourself on something like this and you couldnt tell that if a certain FUD wont win because
trying to look at on that Russia tending to ban crypto then what happened? The market had dipped and later on they are trying to reclaim out for possible
regulation and then prices starts to recover again which you could really say that news are relevant.

News revolving around crypto always makes a difference and affection to the market.

And recently, the market has experienced some good gains and it is very likely that people from Ukraine and Russia have given that effect to the bitcoin's price.

It's true that it will always be there and that's why we have to worry not if we've been here and just follow your long term plan.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 01, 2022, 09:29:52 AM

Too bad to see how devastating if the FUDs hit the market before but for now, people are actually had learned already and they become more hesitant upon hearing them. We are still surrounded by these things, fake news, and market manipulations but to look at how they respond to this, they remain calm and that is how to see the market never went down too fast, instead it stays calm and still healthy.

It is really possible to have recoveries this month, not that strong but I feel it.

What do you guys think about it?

If there is indeed more resistance against FUD, something from which there is not much evidence to sustain that claim, then I think this would be because bitcoin has changed hands and it went from people that were easy to manipulate into selling their coins to people that have diamond hands and will sell under no circumstance, so it is not like the newbies improved significantly and now they cannot be deceived, it is just they control less bitcoin than before.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on March 02, 2022, 06:01:58 AM

FUD does not need to win or fail against the market. FUD is part of tools used by market makers in order to do their manipulations on the market.
If FUD fails, they don't lose anything, they can try next times. Believe me, FUDs mostly have impacts and mostly great ones on the market so if one or two FUDs fail, no issue with market makers.

Only mentally-weaked participants on the market will fail against FUDs. Bitcoin is good in long term against FUD because it is the King of crypto and has risen a lot since 2009 and might grow more which I strongly believe in.

Whales do have enough money to try those FUDs many times back to back as well. They could simple throw their money in plenty different futures places and short bitcoin in millions of dollars, then pay the news agencies millions as well to say bad things are coming and with that news everyone will panic and sell making them a lot of money.

If they fail the first time, they can try the next time, the amount they could earn from this is so high that they wouldn't really need to worry about how many times they need to try. They can turn a few million dollars investment into 20-30 million dollars easily and that means they could try 10+ times before being right just one time. Benefits of having deep pockets.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 01, 2022, 09:29:52 AM

Too bad to see how devastating if the FUDs hit the market before but for now, people are actually had learned already and they become more hesitant upon hearing them. We are still surrounded by these things, fake news, and market manipulations but to look at how they respond to this, they remain calm and that is how to see the market never went down too fast, instead it stays calm and still healthy.

It is really possible to have recoveries this month, not that strong but I feel it.

What do you guys think about it?

I agree with you, Fud circulating in the market does have an impact that affects crypto price movements in the market and even that has happened every year, but does the circulating Fud make crypto prices weaker?
I don't think so, so far I have seen that fud only affects market prices in a short time, because over time fud disappears and returns to make crypto prices stronger and stronger in my opinion every year, I think fud will continue to attack the crypto market but still crypto will continue to rise and continue to grow.
I really believe that.....!

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