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Still because of Islam.
Not FUD, its facts.
Aw come on. Wouldn't you want to dress properly to go to the neighborhood stoning?Still because of Islam.
Not FUD, its facts.
I know I would.
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I know I would.
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Still because of Islam.
Not FUD, its facts.
Not FUD, its facts.
Give me the rule where Islam tells to imprison people for drinking alcohol and where Islam tells to slaughter if women wear normal clothing. BTW, what is "normal cloth"? IMHO a normal cloth is a cloth which is used widely by people in that place. All types related to that cloth can be considered normal. For example, in UK(or countries which have similar culture), a woman wearing bikini dress in street may be a normal cloth but in Arabian countries or even in India, it may not be considered as a normal cloth.
To me the dress code UAE states in law is normal but, assuming you are in UK(or countries which have similar culture), this dress code may not be normal,
“Dress code
Women should dress modestly when in *public areas like shopping malls*. Clothes should cover the tops of the arms and legs, and underwear should not be visible. Swimming attire should be worn *only on beaches or at swimming pools*.”
Also some of the clothing are long lasted tradition. For example, "Hijab" which is often misinterpreted:
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Head cover for the Jewish woman is encouraged by the Rabbis and religious leaders. Religious Jewish women still cover their heads most of the time and especially in the synagogues, at weddings and religious festivities. This Jewish tradition is a cultural not a religious one. Hijab was observed by the women of the civilizations that preceded the Jews and was passed down to the Jewish culture.
Some Christian women cover their heads in many religious occasions while the nuns cover their heads all the time. The tradition of covering the head was practiced thousands of years before Islam came.
The traditional Arabs, of all religions, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to wear 'hijab' not because of Islam, but because of tradition. In Saudi Arabia for example, all men cover their heads, not because of Islam but because of tradition.
North Africa is known for its Tribe (Tuareg) that have the Muslim men wearing 'hijab' instead of women. Here the tradition has the 'hijab' in reverse. If wearing 'hijab' is the sign of Muslim woman, Mother Teresa would have been the first woman to be counted.
Some Christian women cover their heads in many religious occasions while the nuns cover their heads all the time. The tradition of covering the head was practiced thousands of years before Islam came.
The traditional Arabs, of all religions, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to wear 'hijab' not because of Islam, but because of tradition. In Saudi Arabia for example, all men cover their heads, not because of Islam but because of tradition.
North Africa is known for its Tribe (Tuareg) that have the Muslim men wearing 'hijab' instead of women. Here the tradition has the 'hijab' in reverse. If wearing 'hijab' is the sign of Muslim woman, Mother Teresa would have been the first woman to be counted.
Here is some of the verses from Qur'an:
7:26 - “O children of Adam, We have brought down to you garments to cover your private parts, as well as for adornment, yet the garment of reverence is the best. These are some of God's signs, perhaps they will remember.”
24:31 - “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their private parts and not to show their adornments except that of it which normally shows. They shall cover their cleavage with their ‘khimar’. They shall not show their adornments except in the presence of their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, their slaves, the male attendants who have no sexual desire and the children who are yet to attain awareness of women’s nakedness. They shall not strike their feet so as to reveal details of their hidden ornaments. You shall repent to God all you believers, so that you may succeed.”
33:59 - “O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. This is better so that they will be recognized and not for being molested. God is Forgiver, Merciful.”
24:60 - “The elderly women who no longer anticipate marriage commit no error by relaxing their dress code, provided they do not flaunt their adornments, but to abstain from doing so would be better for them. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.”
FYI: IIRC there are 4 dress codes for a Muslim man and woman.
So.. Islam is great and peacefull..
Yes but some people aren't.
Lets make some muhammed drawings,
Isn't what you are saying UAE laws rather than Islamic laws?
lets drink some alcohol and let woman do what they want and dress as they like.
You shouldn't dress as you like unless you are wearing normal dress of the place you live.
Oh shit.. People in Dubai got in prison for drinking
There isn't a rule in Islam to imprison someone for drinking alcohol. It is UAE law. And alcoholic drinks and drugs aren't allowed in Islam because it is the door of bad habits.
UAE law:
“Drugs
There is zero tolerance for drugs-related offences. The penalties for drug trafficking, smuggling and possession, of even residual amounts, of drugs are severe. Sentences for drug trafficking can include the death penalty and possession of even the smallest amount of illegal drugs can lead to a minimum 4-year jail sentence. The Emirati authorities count the presence of drugs in the blood stream as possession. You should take care over the import of prescription drugs, some over-the-counter drugs and certain substances known as herbal highs, such as Spice or Space, which can include synthetic cannabinoids.
Many people stop off in UAE airports on their way to other destinations. UAE airports have excellent technology and security, so transiting passengers carrying even residual amounts of drugs are arrested.”
“Alcohol
Non-Muslim residents can get a liquor licence to drink alcohol at home. These licences are valid only in the Emirate that issued the licence. Residents must also get a permit to be able to drink in licensed venues.
Alcoholic drinks are served in licensed hotels and clubs, but it is a punishable offence to drink, or to be under the influence of alcohol, in public. The legal age for drinking alcohol is 18 in Abu Dhabi (although a Ministry of Tourism by-law allows hotels to serve alcohol only to those over 21), and 21 in Dubai and the Northern Emirates (except Sharjah, where drinking alcohol is illegal).
Passengers in transit through the UAE under the influence of alcohol may also be arrested.”
and having sex without being married.
It is UAE law.
“Relationships outside marriage
Sex outside marriage is illegal and if any offenders are brought to the attention of the UAE authorities they run the risk of prosecution, imprisonment and/or a fine and deportation. Same sex marriages are not recognised.
Problems will be encountered if an unmarried woman gives birth in the UAE. These problems can range from a refusal to issue a birth certificate to arrest and imprisonment. To get a birth certificate from the UAE authorities, you must provide a marriage certificate. The registration authorities may compare the date of the marriage against the date of birth.
It is against the law to live together or to share the same hotel room with someone of the opposite sex to whom you are not married or closely related.
Homosexual relationships are illegal.”
And women get slaughtered if they wear Normal clothing..
Slaughtered? You must be kidding...
UAE law:
“Dress code
Women should dress modestly when in public areas like shopping malls. Clothes should cover the tops of the arms and legs, and underwear should not be visible. Swimming attire should be worn only on beaches or at swimming pools.”
Such Peace.. Much Open.. No conflics.
Don't spread FUD.
Still because of Islam.
Not FUD, its facts.
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Activity: 560
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I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!
So.. Islam is great and peacefull..
Yes but some people aren't.
Lets make some muhammed drawings,
Isn't what you are saying UAE laws rather than Islamic laws?
lets drink some alcohol and let woman do what they want and dress as they like.
You shouldn't dress as you like unless you are wearing normal dress of the place you live.
Oh shit.. People in Dubai got in prison for drinking
There isn't a rule in Islam to imprison someone for drinking alcohol. It is UAE law. And alcoholic drinks and drugs aren't allowed in Islam because it is the door of bad habits.
UAE law:
“Drugs
There is zero tolerance for drugs-related offences. The penalties for drug trafficking, smuggling and possession, of even residual amounts, of drugs are severe. Sentences for drug trafficking can include the death penalty and possession of even the smallest amount of illegal drugs can lead to a minimum 4-year jail sentence. The Emirati authorities count the presence of drugs in the blood stream as possession. You should take care over the import of prescription drugs, some over-the-counter drugs and certain substances known as herbal highs, such as Spice or Space, which can include synthetic cannabinoids.
Many people stop off in UAE airports on their way to other destinations. UAE airports have excellent technology and security, so transiting passengers carrying even residual amounts of drugs are arrested.”
“Alcohol
Non-Muslim residents can get a liquor licence to drink alcohol at home. These licences are valid only in the Emirate that issued the licence. Residents must also get a permit to be able to drink in licensed venues.
Alcoholic drinks are served in licensed hotels and clubs, but it is a punishable offence to drink, or to be under the influence of alcohol, in public. The legal age for drinking alcohol is 18 in Abu Dhabi (although a Ministry of Tourism by-law allows hotels to serve alcohol only to those over 21), and 21 in Dubai and the Northern Emirates (except Sharjah, where drinking alcohol is illegal).
Passengers in transit through the UAE under the influence of alcohol may also be arrested.”
and having sex without being married.
It is UAE law.
“Relationships outside marriage
Sex outside marriage is illegal and if any offenders are brought to the attention of the UAE authorities they run the risk of prosecution, imprisonment and/or a fine and deportation. Same sex marriages are not recognised.
Problems will be encountered if an unmarried woman gives birth in the UAE. These problems can range from a refusal to issue a birth certificate to arrest and imprisonment. To get a birth certificate from the UAE authorities, you must provide a marriage certificate. The registration authorities may compare the date of the marriage against the date of birth.
It is against the law to live together or to share the same hotel room with someone of the opposite sex to whom you are not married or closely related.
Homosexual relationships are illegal.”
And women get slaughtered if they wear Normal clothing..
Slaughtered? You must be kidding...
UAE law:
“Dress code
Women should dress modestly when in public areas like shopping malls. Clothes should cover the tops of the arms and legs, and underwear should not be visible. Swimming attire should be worn only on beaches or at swimming pools.”
Such Peace.. Much Open.. No conflics.
Don't spread FUD.
We return to an important question, the problem of trust "something" (yes I'm straw man) everyone can believe in whatever he want, but he should not oblige the other to do the same. It is normal all the Muslim believe in the Quran, and it will be most difficult to comvince the other . I remember that one tune my Muslim friend asked me to join the Islam and I've replied to him "I will join only if your religion is better than mine".
But the thread here is on the Debate Position that there are No Miracles in the Koran. By contrast the New Testament is full of "Miracles."
So.. Islam is great and peacefull..
Lets make some muhammed drawings, lets drink some alcohol and let woman do what they want and dress as they like.
Oh shit.. People in Dubai got in prison for drinking and having sex without being married.
And women get slaughtered if they wear Normal clothing..
Such Peace.. Much Open.. No conflics.
We return to an important question, the problem of trust "something" (yes I'm straw man) everyone can believe in whatever he want, but he should not oblige the other to do the same. It is normal all the Muslim believe in the Quran, and it will be most difficult to comvince the other . I remember that one tune my Muslim friend asked me to join the Islam and I've replied to him "I will join only if your religion is better than mine".
But the thread here is on the Debate Position that there are No Miracles in the Koran. By contrast the New Testament is full of "Miracles."
So much agenda here. It reaks
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
NASA is hardly trustworthy. Anybody that believes any government source is truly gullible.
NASA has done an excellent job with it's planetary robotic exploration work. The STS program, the space shuttle, that's arguable. In general, NASA is flanked on the left by research departments at universities and private, and it is flanked on the right by an array of industries. Those produce spacecraft, instrumentation, computer and control systems, rocket motors and so forth.
I'm not sure how words and phrases like "trustworthy" apply to such complex groupings. Within NASA, there are divisions by subject matter and by geographical location.
Do I trust the sort-of librarians in Houston whose job is to take care of the lunar rocks and material returned by the Apollo missions?
Sure.
Etc.
+1.
We return to an important question, the problem of trust "something" (yes I'm straw man) everyone can believe in whatever he want, but he should not oblige the other to do the same. It is normal all the Muslim believe in the Quran, and it will be most difficult to comvince the other . I remember that one tune my Muslim friend asked me to join the Islam and I've replied to him "I will join only if your religion is better than mine".
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
NASA is hardly trustworthy. Anybody that believes any government source is truly gullible.
NASA has done an excellent job with it's planetary robotic exploration work. The STS program, the space shuttle, that's arguable. In general, NASA is flanked on the left by research departments at universities and private, and it is flanked on the right by an array of industries. Those produce spacecraft, instrumentation, computer and control systems, rocket motors and so forth.
I'm not sure how words and phrases like "trustworthy" apply to such complex groupings. Within NASA, there are divisions by subject matter and by geographical location.
Do I trust the sort-of librarians in Houston whose job is to take care of the lunar rocks and material returned by the Apollo missions?
Sure.
Etc.
Fine... Got nothing more to say. I think I'll stay out of the "Other" section of BCT from now on...
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
NASA is hardly trustworthy. Anybody that believes any government source is truly gullible.
NASA has done an excellent job with it's planetary robotic exploration work. The STS program, the space shuttle, that's arguable. In general, NASA is flanked on the left by research departments at universities and private, and it is flanked on the right by an array of industries. Those produce spacecraft, instrumentation, computer and control systems, rocket motors and so forth.
I'm not sure how words and phrases like "trustworthy" apply to such complex groupings. Within NASA, there are divisions by subject matter and by geographical location.
Do I trust the sort-of librarians in Houston whose job is to take care of the lunar rocks and material returned by the Apollo missions?
Sure.
Etc.
Muhammed was illiterate. He did not write the Koran. The Koran was written by Augustinian monks...it is a product of the Vatican, to create Islam to be the sword of the Vatican (Antichrist Roman Catholic Church).
Jesus is the Rock.... It is on Christ that the true Church be built, not Peter (little pebble). Also, Peter was a married man, not celebate, and he was nothing compared to the Pope of Romanism. Popes started after Constantine, a wicked pagan Baal worshiper.
Even to this day, Islam is controlled by the Vatican (city on seven hills). The Jesuits, and the Pope control the Sunni Islam 100%. This is why they hate the Shia Muslims and are killing them out right now in Yemen and Iran etc...
The Jesuits and Knights of Malta work for the Pope! They control all the Banks! Turn to Jesus of the Bible for truth! Wake up!!! Time is running out!
Jesus is the Rock.... It is on Christ that the true Church be built, not Peter (little pebble). Also, Peter was a married man, not celebate, and he was nothing compared to the Pope of Romanism. Popes started after Constantine, a wicked pagan Baal worshiper.
Even to this day, Islam is controlled by the Vatican (city on seven hills). The Jesuits, and the Pope control the Sunni Islam 100%. This is why they hate the Shia Muslims and are killing them out right now in Yemen and Iran etc...
The Jesuits and Knights of Malta work for the Pope! They control all the Banks! Turn to Jesus of the Bible for truth! Wake up!!! Time is running out!
Now that's total bullshit. If you don't even know what's a miracle and what's not, probably better to not act knowledgeable about them. Wouldn't you agree?
Sometimes prophecies can be miracles too.
A direct personal threat. Not coming from an Atheist. Not coming from a Christian. Not coming from a Buddhist. Not coming from an Amish...
Do you think I reall meant it? BADecker was joking which was more personal and direct. It was meant ro tease and probably more. I simply made another one.
BADecker's joke didn't have a gigantic personal threat attached to it.
Haha, thought you were posting under your sockpuppet huh bud? Either that or you reference yourself in the 3rd person. you fail either way.
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How can we source an objective view of a faith?
How can we source an objective view of a faith?
Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines. - I like to tell people that, but as time flows and I see that most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so...
Now that's total bullshit. If you don't even know what's a miracle and what's not, probably better to not act knowledgeable about them. Wouldn't you agree?
Sometimes prophecies can be miracles too.
A direct personal threat. Not coming from an Atheist. Not coming from a Christian. Not coming from a Buddhist. Not coming from an Amish...
Do you think I reall meant it? BADecker was joking which was more personal and direct. It was meant ro tease and probably more. I simply made another one.
BADecker's joke didn't have a gigantic personal threat attached to it.
Here is the clip of the section of Big Lebowski where Goodman pulls the gun.
It's a comedy. Great movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YedqV4Gl_us
How can we source an objective view of a faith?
Go forth to Ayn Rand, grasshopper.
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
NASA is hardly trustworthy. Anybody that believes any government source is truly gullible.
Okay, then maybe not a government official.. But atleast somekind of scientist.
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
NASA is hardly trustworthy. Anybody that believes any government source is truly gullible.
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
NASA is hardly trustworthy. Anybody that believes any government source is truly gullible.
They say there is proof.
When we ask for it they go to islamic sources instead of showing the physical proof from either Nasa or any other trusted source of intel..
Okay but consider this.
If you've seen the movie, Big Lebowski, which is hilarious, you get the joke.
But if you haven't seen it, this is just a picture of some mad guy cocking a gun.
If you've seen the movie, Big Lebowski, which is hilarious, you get the joke.
But if you haven't seen it, this is just a picture of some mad guy cocking a gun.
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