Topic: No one is perfect and anybody can make mistakes (Read 323 times)

Is there really a reason to trigger warning bells? Why would it be?
Although the name itself was a bit controversial, that doesn't necessarily ensure a scam. There's a project Sexcoin. The project is dead but not a scam. Regarding the supply, it's just the same as the supply of Shiba Inu; supply 1 QUADRILLION & Shiba Inu is standing at #44th position in coinmarketcap. Again, with the same supply, Safemoon is standing at #207th place in coinmarketcap. In my opinion, none of the information provides any info which can be concluded as a scam. But, yeah, as I said once, Royse777 should be more aware of the possible scam project while selecting a project promotion.

Not that neutral tag wouldn't change anything, but not even negative tag on dogeporn would change anything. Thing is, bounty hunters generally don't care about trivial stuff like that (whether project is scam or not) and the only thing that can persuade them not to join a pure scam is fear of getting account tagged, and even then it only works for those that join signature campaign.

I really wanted to avoid replying because it looks as if you hate constructive criticism and being called out while accusing others of the same.

So you are saying a tag on dogeporn wouldn't have changed things. In defense Royse can say the same "any other manager would have managed it for them, how does it change things?"

Being a DT, you should leave at minimum a neutral against scam projects and if you don't, don't blame others for the same thing. And I am not saying Royse didn't make a mistake, he did, but the magnitude of the mistake is being amplified to probably get him off DT  (Its behavior that should be beneath DT)

I will avoid replying to you on this topic at least. But think about how fair it is to accuse someone while taking the same action when put in the same shoes.

Tagging the project is not what I was judging Royse on. I was judging his ability to spot a scam project, which is apparently bad. Besides, let's say I did tag the project (do they even have a presence on the forum, or did you want me to tag Royse?): I would have left a neutral tag as I was without concrete evidence. How would that have changed a single thing?

Just think about it for a moment before engaging in your reflexive "No but you...!!!!" dialogue.



I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. I'm gonna chalk it up to a language barrier. And as far as your analogy goes, it doesn't hold any water, no pun intended.

Being a hypocrite would entail me also coordinating the promotion shit tokens, but I don't do that, so I don't know what you're getting at.

Still, since you knew about this project specifically and commented on it, I think you should have tagged them. If you didn't then no reason to judge Royse for the same act.



Correct. But if you expect others to react in a particular manner about something, then you should also act in the same way.

Do you know how it sounds right now?

It's raining

Person A: Hey I forgot to bring my umbrella
Person B: I too, but how dare you forgot it too?

Because

1. I'm not the bounty manager, its not my job -- its his.
2. I don't tag every questionable project that floats across this forum -- if I did I'd be here all day.

BTW I'm not "attacking" Royse... I'm just suggesting he perform a bit of introspection before plowing ahead to the next shit token bounty.

I speak for a lot people when I say we wouldn't mind if the Bounty board was dropped from the forum entirely.

It's easy to blame others but if you were so sure the project will be a scam, why didn't you tag them earlier? You were aware of the project earlier and if you thought it was a scam, should have tagged them with at least a neutral rating.


Maybe for the same reason that you didn't tag them back then?



It makes more sense now why everyone is attacking Royse.

When CB reported a similar case: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-burstmoney-project-scamming-bounty-manager-and-participants-5338454 he got a lot of merits, sympathy and praise. I agree as mentioned before that Royse shouldn't have accepted the project but come on, it's not like Royse has scammed.

That's not what I meant. I mean a screenshot where the project manager promises to pay the bounty hunters, and what terms may have come attached with that. You're only telling one side of the story thus far.


Right so perhaps do a bit of due diligence next time before choosing a project to be bounty manager for. The project is called Dogeporn.Finance -- its a Binance token with a total supply of 1 QUADRILLION.

If that information alone didn't trigger warning bells in your mind, well why didn't it?

Nobody should have sympathy for you. Like I said earlier, you're just perpetuating a cycle of stupidity on the forum. Its behavior that should be beneath DT.

You made a stupid bed, just lie in it awhile and ponder how not to do it again next time.

On the other day I had a discussion with one of the team, and it seems the market has a confusion that when a project success all credits go not bounty hunters. It's totally wrong. Bounty is only a small part of a project to be successful among x number of factors it needs. Yes, there are spammers and ignorant participants (I will call them disrespectful users to their work, bad names in the industry) but there are good guys too. They do work well. If bounty was entirely useless, then projects would not spend money. Let me share that I have experienced from several campaigns I managed so far:

After launching the campaign and before ending (usually presale or public sale) it, the teams will say very positive things about the campaign that it's going very well, they are happy, supper happy etc. But after the sale:
a) They will just pay the hunters, despite they had a successful presale or not. In fact, they push hard to get the spreadsheet so that they can pay the hunters and focus on their work. These are the people who are committed to their project and respect other's work.

b) They will start making excuses, start delaying or start blaming the quality of the jobs done by the hunters even after a successful sale. Their excuses are like this:
- I do not want to pay the low effort works, let us reduce the allocation. The allocation is too much. Did you see how the price spiked?
- If I pay the hunters, then they will dump my tokens.
- Your campaign was not good. It did not help my project. We(project team) have done all the hard work. Etc. etc.
Noticed the same guy was saying good things about the campaign before the sale but after, ironically, all started to go wrong.


I gave my all to get the hunters paid but nothing worked unfortunately, and now it's clear that they scammed 400 BNB from the investors too since I do not see they will have any real development.

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I have edited the scam accusation topic against  Dogeporn.finance with latest contents to avoid confusion. Anyone is more than welcome to continue on that thread if they want.

Campaign owners don’t want to pay off bounty hunters, it's obvious. now they are already sure that scam accusation will not do them much harm here, so they don't even try to hide it.
just a few days earlier, they had reassured the manager that the project had failed and had not raised enough money, offering rewards $5-$10 per hunter.

I have to agree with this to start with. I am sure some other manager would have managed the bounty if Royse declined but that doesn't change the fact that this project never looked good enough for any reputed person like him to work with.


Bounty hunters must also do some research of their own. Technically a manager is there to ensure both parties (the project and the participants) are doing their part of the job properly. You don't blame the bank manager if the bank goes scam because he is just doing the job assigned to him.

Bounty hunters should look out for projects they find interesting and then find the bounty if there's one. Having said that, I think manager should also do some due diligence and I certainly expected better from Royse.

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It's hard to disagree with you but I disagree on this point. Bounty hunters should do the research - I agree. But I also understand that it's hard for a common person to do research of their own.

The whole idea of bounty campaigns sucks. There should be some Bitcoins/ETH or any known altcoin deposited under the manager in case of a dispute between the owner and the manager.

I have a lot of sympathy for the bounty hunters because they are the real losers in this entire situation.

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Anyone with a basic understanding can see that you tried your best. Avoid haters but I request you to neglect such projects. I am someone who regards you highly and it's sad to see your name criticized for a shitty project.

Thanks for posting it. I was not aware about it at all. I thought they had a total failed ICO. After seeing your post, I asked the guy in contact with me. Turns out they indeed raised 400 BNB. And in this case, I want my hunters to get paid. I have left them a message with options. If they do not accept it or agree with it, then I will mark this as a scam project. Maybe I will give them 24 hours time from now.

The conversation: https://imgur.com/a/Huwhz9c

My final response so far to them:

From bounty managers, they have to be escrowing most of the bounty token therefore client won't running away with hunter's funds. this is a project where  many hunters puts efforts to promote it turn out not to pay hunters.
This is a very habit from them.

The below screenshot was retrieve from dogeporn official website, they indicated that DXsale was successfully sold out and was able to raise 400bnb, i wonder whats there excuse was for been incompetent with the project development.



Another image retrieve from dogeporn official Telegram group displaying image trading candles from poocoin which means the token was listed and liquidity was provided for swaping.



Source: https://t.me/dogeporntoken/30222

The collaborated with a porn stars BY name Ketrin_NEW'S. While the trade was going on, one of her videos advertising dogeporn was also posted on the official telegram group.

Link to video

Another link to one of the porn star by name Horny Marina
Link to video


Link to DExtools  doge

They were able to do all this and couldn't compensate the hunters, that's fraud and it was intentional

I get what you're saying, but participating in a bounty isn't like buying a lottery ticket; these bounty hunters do all sorts of time-consuming things for weeks or months before they may or may not get paid--and it's a crap shoot if they end up with anything other than worthless tokens.  Did anyone seriously believe this dogeporn token would ever be worth anything?

Speaking of dogeporn, if there was any bounty you'd never want to join it's one based on pornography.  Hate to say it, but someone looking to cash in on the dogecoin craze using porn as the project idea just shouts dishonesty, because the porn industry is filled to the brim with scumbags.  It shouldn't surprise anyone that these fuckers didn't pay their bounty hunters.  Fortunately from the looks of it, there weren't that many participants.

It did, but the problem is that bounties don't pay out like traditional signature campaigns, which is something I think needs to change.  As I said, I have no sympathy for bounty hunters in general, since they're mostly responsible for the spam-fest this forum has become, but if they paid out weekly and in bitcoin (or an altcoin) then it might not be such a problem.

It's not the manager's fault I think and this disappointment shouldn't be passed on to the manager alone. This project failed, not a scam. Success is not a guarantee for random quality marketing. Especially if hunters do that for free (not necessarily worth) tokens. Professionalism must be possessed by all parties, especially hunters who have a lot to learn from their past failures so that they will be more selective or even stop their profession. "Time is sacrifice / money / lesson"

After all, what to expect from distribution of a failed project token? Hunters can make their own.

No one is really safe when it comes to bounty campaigns, Royse has a service thread where he shares to profit from the bounty he manages and he will no the one that will want to lose his reputation because of the profit he is going to get from a project, that is why we see bounty managers posting disclaimer about his relationship to the project because even if you are good at looking at a project, there's still projects that's going to get through, he should have a reason and criteria on why he takes this project.
And his answer will have an impact on his reputation and how bounty managers take this kind of project

This is the problem with the dogeporn bounty (and most bounties in general):


From what I saw, Royse777 did his best to get the promised shit tokens from the bounty owners, and they just blew him off.  Should he have been more selective about being their bounty manager?  Yeah, I think so.  Especially if he had prior communications with them, because whoever was replying to him came off as very unprofessional.  But the main problem is that all those bounty hunters are basically gambling on whether they're going to get paid and doing all of that "work" in advance.

I have no sympathy for any of these bounty hunters, because they continue to be stupid enough to waste their time advertising for crappy projects that promise to pay everyone in some garbage token once the campaign is over.  That's a recipe for getting scammed, and if you're not aware of that, wise up and stop participating in these idiotic bounties.

The reason of the quoted accusation above by OP has no evidence and just self opinion. There's a lot of sucks project more than Doge porn that pays bounty campaign in the past. The campaign manager is a trusted member too so most people will really support unless there is a clear proof that the project is indeed a scam. As the OP stated too, No one is perfect and anybody can make mistake so let's just move on besides I'm sure nobody here invested on dogeporn token sales and most of the hunters do participate multiple bounty campaign at the same time.

This is no big a deal issue after all bunch of scam campaign out there.

I was actually kind of shocked to see Royse attach his name to what was clearly a smelly pile of garbage.

But before issuing further judgment, some things I'd need to know are:

- how much money did this project raise? anything?
- were tokens distributed to investors or anybody else?

If the Dogeporn team raised money and kept it, with no plans to develop a working product, that's not Royse's fault, but if I was a bounty hunter I would certainly be wary of working for him in the future.