Topic: No satellite recording from missile launch flash. (Read 2432 times)

Quote from: Schleicher on July 24, 2014, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

Quote from: tee-rex on July 27, 2014, 04:36:20 AM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

Don't know if this is a fake but here's a video captured in infrared by a meteorological satellite which allegedly shows the Ukrainian air defense launching a BUK missile at the Malaysian airliner in Eastern Ukraine (source is unknown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlK83q86cD8

I would have to look at the crash videos a lot more but I remember seeing a lot more cloud cover on that day. I can't what the zoom scale is or make out any landmarks. That's a job for those conspiracy peeps Wink

My point was that satellite infrared sensors can capture smaller missile launches given suitable atmospheric conditions, if of course this video was not an ICBM launch. Wink

The missile was likely much smaller then an ICMB, probably not more then a few dozen feel long at most. Media reports have also said that the types of missiles in question are highly mobile so it was likely not shot from a known missile site.

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On the ground and on vehicle remain burned fuel. Where is that point? Why Ukrainians show not "clean vehicles"? Radars of BUK-M1 are easy to find during work.

No proofs.

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Quote from: DrG on July 27, 2014, 04:22:03 AM

Quote from: Schleicher on July 24, 2014, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

Quote from: DrG on July 27, 2014, 04:22:03 AM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

Don't know if this is a fake but here's a video captured in infrared by a meteorological satellite which allegedly shows the Ukrainian air defense launching a BUK missile at the Malaysian airliner in Eastern Ukraine (source is unknown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlK83q86cD8

I would have to look at the crash videos a lot more but I remember seeing a lot more cloud cover on that day. I can't what the zoom scale is or make out any landmarks. That's a job for those conspiracy peeps Wink

My point was that satellite infrared sensors can capture smaller missile launches given suitable atmospheric conditions, if of course this video was not an ICBM launch. Wink

Oh I know they can record it. What I was discussing is the automated relay certain satellites can do to NORAD. My dad initially worked on FAADC2I (later FAADC3I) and then went on into satellite work with NG - while this is nowhere near my line of work as a physician I did read up on it quite a bit.

Thermal IR imaginery has a granularity of about 1/3 that of optics currently, so whatever can be defined by an optical eye has to be 3x larger for an IR eye to see. a BUK can easily be seen, but having the system automatically note it a missile launch detect is something else.

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Quote from: Schleicher on July 24, 2014, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

Don't know if this is a fake but here's a video captured in infrared by a meteorological satellite which allegedly shows the Ukrainian air defense launching a BUK missile at the Malaysian airliner in Eastern Ukraine (source is unknown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlK83q86cD8

I would have to look at the crash videos a lot more but I remember seeing a lot more cloud cover on that day. I can't what the zoom scale is or make out any landmarks. That's a job for those conspiracy peeps Wink

My point was that satellite infrared sensors can capture smaller missile launches given suitable atmospheric conditions, if of course this video was not an ICBM launch. Wink

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Quote from: Schleicher on July 24, 2014, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

Don't know if this is a fake but here's a video captured in infrared by a meteorological satellite which allegedly shows the Ukrainian air defense launching a BUK missile at the Malaysian airliner in Eastern Ukraine (source is unknown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlK83q86cD8

I would have to look at the crash videos a lot more but I remember seeing a lot more cloud cover on that day. I can't what the zoom scale is or make out any landmarks. That's a job for those conspiracy peeps Wink

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Quote from: Schleicher on July 24, 2014, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

Quote from: 247crypto on July 24, 2014, 06:11:09 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

Don't know if this is a fake but here's a video captured in infrared by a meteorological satellite which allegedly shows the Ukrainian air defense launching a BUK missile at the Malaysian airliner in Eastern Ukraine (source is unknown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlK83q86cD8

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Its Brilliant and should be tweeted!

https://twitter.com/TuskBilasimo/status/492449457272012800

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No other promises of that picture?

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Quote from: 247crypto on July 24, 2014, 06:11:09 PM

http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/1407/63/a3054564f098.jpg

LOL

This looks pretty accurate as to what John Kerry is saying.

Although it is technically true, but Obama has done very poorly on the foreign policy side of things.

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Quote from: Schleicher on July 24, 2014, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

SBIRS won't track small missiles like the BUK - it's made for tracking the silo based and heavy mobile platform based ICBMs.

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Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

Well, there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
But I don't know if it can detect missiles this small

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Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

Quote from: FunnyHat43 on July 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

Infrared is virtually useless even on GEO when there is significant cloudcover or atmospherics that would disperse the signal. The satellite typically switch to ground radar guided tracking when this happens and usually can track a projectile when it is 3-4 miles up - or at least that was the case 5 years ago - I don't know if they have newer technology now.

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Censored video from BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4

http://vz.ru/society/2014/7/24/696996.html

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Quote from: 247crypto on July 23, 2014, 05:40:38 PM

This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly. Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze. But yes no video has shown a trail.

If it only had to travel a few miles to hit it's target, that would decrease the chances of the missile being caught on camera (via satellite). I don't see a conspiracy here.

Satellites' capabilities to detect missiles don't depend upon how slow or how far a missile would fly. They detect missile launches right at the start through infrared sensors.

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The thing is that nobody cares. Nobody will admit a mistake and say: we done it or that the rebels were not to blame.

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Flash is secondary, working radar is easy to see too. No radar detection from that area.

I am pretty sure that radar is the way that intelligence sources were able to determine where the missile was launched from.

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