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Topic: No satellite recording from missile launch flash. - page 2. (Read 2455 times)

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It makes me wonder where all the evidence the world was going to present point finger at the rebels?
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Flash is secondary, working radar is easy to see too. No radar detection from that area.
DrG
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This missile is not like an Atlas being launched from the western seaboard of the US where 1/2 the West Coast of the US can see the missile, this is a smaller missile and the residual trail disperses fairly quickly.  Looking at the crash the skies above look partly cloudy with some atmospheric haze.  But yes no video has shown a trail.
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The trajectory of a BUK missile is not ballistic. So it might have been fired a dozen kilometers away from the crash site. Look at this video and judge for yourself.

Even if it was fired from a dozen km away from the crash scene, the head of the smoke plume must be vertically above the crash site. Also, at higher altitudes, the air pressure is very low and the plume lasts for much longer.

How's that? The plane was hit at an altitude of 10+ km which is well above clouds. If it was taken down by a SAM, the most of the missile's trajectory would be close to horizontal. What are you really going to see from the ground (given overcast)?

Did you watch the video at the link I provided?
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The trajectory of a BUK missile is not ballistic. So it might have been fired a dozen kilometers away from the crash site. Look at this video and judge for yourself.

Even if it was fired from a dozen km away from the crash scene, the head of the smoke plume must be vertically above the crash site. Also, at higher altitudes, the air pressure is very low and the plume lasts for much longer.
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In the periods of overcast weather you won't be able to discern the plume even from a distance of a few kilometers (let alone hundreds).

Even if it is so, the plume would have been at least visible for a radius of 5-6 kms (probably for a radius of at least 50 km). Hundreds of YouTube videos are circulating showing the crash site immediately after the ruins were found (15 minutes after the crash?). Some of them shows the sky as well. The plume is not visible in any of those videos.

The trajectory of a BUK missile is not ballistic. So it might have been fired a dozen kilometers away from the crash site. Look at this video and judge for yourself.

 
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In the periods of overcast weather you won't be able to discern the plume even from a distance of a few kilometers (let alone hundreds).

Even if it is so, the plume would have been at least visible for a radius of 5-6 kms (probably for a radius of at least 50 km). Hundreds of YouTube videos are circulating showing the crash site immediately after the ruins were found (15 minutes after the crash?). Some of them shows the sky as well. The plume is not visible in any of those videos.

An example is here (second part of the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7S6jqsUbxg

Also this one (taken immediately after the crash):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brZ7FODl68s
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I heard that the SA-11 creates a huge smoke ploom during its launch, which can be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away.

Actually, it won't be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away, but the plume would still be visible from a far distance.

It is called the Farthest Visible Distance. I read somewhere that a mountain peak, which is 2 miles high (~3,200 meters) will be visible from a distance of 252 miles. The plume here is at least 10 km high (33,000 feet). So it should be visible from a distance of hundreds of kms.

Not necessarily. You obviously don't take into account the physical sizes of a mountain and trail of smoke. Also, you omit from consideration weather conditions such as cloudiness, for example. In the periods of overcast weather you won't be able to discern the plume even from a distance of a few kilometers (let alone hundreds).
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I heard that the SA-11 creates a huge smoke ploom during its launch, which can be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away.

Actually, it won't be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away, but the plume would still be visible from a far distance.

It is called the Farthest Visible Distance. I read somewhere that a mountain peak, which is 2 miles high (~3,200 meters) will be visible from a distance of 252 miles. The plume here is at least 10 km high (33,000 feet). So it should be visible from a distance of hundreds of kms.
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Obviously record is being erased to hide truth.
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Considering the missiles move about 1 mile per second, there are very few techniques other than direct visualization that a satellite could use to detect a launch.  It it could utilize doppler or ground based radar it could track an object without direct visualization.

Both Russia and the USA have the satellite early warning systems that consist of reconnaissance satellites. These satellites use sensors that detect the infrared emissions from the intense sources of heat emitted at missile launches and nuclear explosions. For example, the American system (called Defense Support Program) was able to detect the launches of Iraqi Scud missiles during the Desert Storm military operation.

Also, a Buk missile's speed is around 1 kilometer per second.

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Where is the picture of missile launch flash?
Greedy Pentagon, show it to people...

Giving too much credit to Pentagon.

The satellite may be malfunction or not in line of sight to record the event.

Yeah I don't know what the satellite network is capable of but I assume we do not have coverage of the entire planet at all times. Maybe if we did they would have found the other Malaysian airliner that was lost.
DrG
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Considering the missiles move about 1 mile per second, there are very few techniques other than direct visualization that a satellite could use to detect a launch.  It it could utilize doppler or ground based radar it could track an object without direct visualization.
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Where is the picture of missile launch flash?
Greedy Pentagon, show it to people...

Giving too much credit to Pentagon.

The satellite may be malfunction or not in line of sight to record the event.
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I heard that the SA-11 creates a huge smoke ploom during its launch, which can be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away.

Actually, it won't be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away, but the plume would still be visible from a far distance (depends on weather) to question if there had really been a SAM deployed (given that no photos, videos, or eyewitnesses' evidence have been presented so far).
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I heard that the SA-11 creates a huge smoke ploom during its launch, which can be seen from many hundreds of kilometers away.
sr. member
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Where is the picture of missile launch flash?
Greedy Pentagon, show it to people...
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i do not try to argument, i just ask what theory do you choose cause you change your mind very much on this affair and i try to follow what do you think.

I'm still waiting on ICAO and official investigation.
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i do not try to argument, i just ask what theory do you choose cause you change your mind very much on this affair and i try to follow what do you think.
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