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legendary
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September 24, 2012, 02:23:56 PM
#29
No. I have been involved with BTC for a while and never heard of a wallet changing its address. My question remains... how do people know where to send money to me ( or anyone else ) if the address is changing?
If you had to tell two different people to send coins to you, you would not want to give them both the same address. If you did, each one could see every coin the other sent to you. So the address that you tell other people to send coins to changes constantly. This has no effect on your ability to receive coins.
kjj
legendary
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September 24, 2012, 02:16:03 PM
#28
Ok, but do you understand you weren't hacked?

The client generates new addresses automatically. It's going to do that regardless of whether you get a new wallet or not.

The bitcoins you currently own are in the original wallet file that was in that directory. So do not delete or lose that file.


No. I have been involved with BTC for a while and never heard of a wallet changing its address. My question remains... how do people know where to send money to me ( or anyone else ) if the address is changing?

I looked in the blockchain... and there is no connection with the new address.

What you see is a fresh new address that has never been used.  If someone wants to send you money, give them that address, and you'll get another one.  The cool thing is that all of your old addresses are stored in the wallet database, and any money sent to those addresses at any time in the future will be yours, as long as you keep your wallet.dat safe.
hero member
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September 24, 2012, 02:11:00 PM
#27
Did you start it with -rescan ?
hero member
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September 24, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
#26


restart bitcoin and tell us what you see


It just loaded up the history, about five blocks. Nothing changed. The transaction history is gone, but it was gone when the new address popped in.
hero member
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September 24, 2012, 02:01:16 PM
#25
Ok, but do you understand you weren't hacked?

The client generates new addresses automatically. It's going to do that regardless of whether you get a new wallet or not.

The bitcoins you currently own are in the original wallet file that was in that directory. So do not delete or lose that file.


No. I have been involved with BTC for a while and never heard of a wallet changing its address. My question remains... how do people know where to send money to me ( or anyone else ) if the address is changing?

I looked in the blockchain... and there is no connection with the new address.


hero member
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September 24, 2012, 01:52:30 PM
#24
Ok, but do you understand you weren't hacked?

The client generates new addresses automatically. It's going to do that regardless of whether you get a new wallet or not.

The bitcoins you currently own are in the original wallet file that was in that directory. So do not delete or lose that file.
hero member
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Merit: 500
September 24, 2012, 01:43:45 PM
#23
Shut down bitcoin and go to:

Users/Appdata/Roaming/Bitcoin

you might have to unhide the folder

drag the wallet file to some other place

restart bitcoin and tell us what you see


You are the genius. Smiley

When you said "you might have to unhide the folder". There it is.


I deleted the wrong thing. Its not fun being an ignorant fool.

Let me see what happens. I have to download again.
Thanks.





hero member
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September 24, 2012, 01:36:04 PM
#22
You Bitcoin wallet is not under Program Files/Bitcoin. You can delete that as many times as you want and you will not delete your wallet. I will tell you where your wallet is, but first calm down and listen to the others.

Your bitcoin client changes your address pretty frequently (at least once a month). I think it's a dumb feature, because it seems to cause more confusion like this, but you are not hacked. All your addresses sit in the same wallet and your coins should all be there. If you have verified that you have actually lost coins (the balance has gone down), then you should do something about your wallet. First thing to do would be to post your old address here (you can find it under the Receive Coins tab in you client) and maybe someone can look a little more into it.

Then you can shut down you client software and go to
C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Bitcoin
and RENAME your wallet.dat to wallet.bad.date

Restart your client and you will get a new address.


This:

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Bitcoin


is not the folder sequence in my computer. This is Vista ( if that makes a difference ).
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
September 24, 2012, 01:25:27 PM
#21
Shut down bitcoin and go to:

Users/Appdata/Roaming/Bitcoin

you might have to unhide the folder

drag the wallet file to some other place

restart bitcoin and tell us what you see
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
September 24, 2012, 01:21:58 PM
#20
You were not hacked. You did not lose anything yet. The new address is just a new address. You still have the old one.

So calm down...and STOP trying to delete things until you understand what's going on.


I already did delete things.. Smiley

Which is why I am mystified that I can not get a new bitcoin address.


This:


https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet#Making_a_new_wallet


says
Quote
Depending on your OS, the wallet file will be located at:

        Windows: %APPDATA%\Bitcoin\


That folder has been deleted twice.

and the same bitcoin address gets downloaded  -  twice.


Let me explain a little better.
My original address is "Fred". I open up the program today and the address is "Bob".
I notice that "Bob" is wrong. Because I had little or no money in "Fred"... I just delete
all ( the whole thing ) of "Bob".

But,

when I redownload the bitcoin program, "Bob" is there again. I did it twice, taking Bitcoin
totally off the computer, and "Bob" pops up both times.
hero member
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September 24, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
#19
You Bitcoin wallet is not under Program Files/Bitcoin. You can delete that as many times as you want and you will not delete your wallet. I will tell you where your wallet is, but first calm down and listen to the others.

Your bitcoin client changes your address pretty frequently (at least once a month). I think it's a dumb feature, because it seems to cause more confusion like this, but you are not hacked. All your addresses sit in the same wallet and your coins should all be there. If you have verified that you have actually lost coins (the balance has gone down), then you should do something about your wallet. First thing to do would be to post your old address here (you can find it under the Receive Coins tab in you client) and maybe someone can look a little more into it.

Then you can shut down you client software and go to
C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Bitcoin
and RENAME your wallet.dat to wallet.bad.date

Restart your client and you will get a new address.
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
September 24, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
#18
Oh, you're good then. That wallet.dat should  still be sitting pretty in your user directory. Do the -rescan thing.


The old adresses will still work. I don't know why your other PC doesn't change them. Mine does it all the time and all the old ones still work fine.


How do you know what address to tell people to send your Bitcoins to?

I deleted the whole Bitcoin folder. Nothing is left of the program... zip.

I download a new bitcoin program and the same address that the computer had as before is still there.

You deleted the program but not the data because that is in a different place. It would be like deleting notepad, redownloading it and being shocked that you can still read mydiary.txt.

Where is that other file located? This is for Vista. I read this:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet#Making_a_new_wallet


and it says the file is at:

Windows: %APPDATA%\Bitcoin\


I deleted that whole folder → \Bitcoin\





There are 2 bitcoin folders. There is one Programs\Bitcoin, which you said you deleted. The other is at \Users\[your Username]\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin, which you hopefully did not delete.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
September 24, 2012, 01:15:00 PM
#17
Oh, you're good then. That wallet.dat should  still be sitting pretty in your user directory. Do the -rescan thing.


The old adresses will still work. I don't know why your other PC doesn't change them. Mine does it all the time and all the old ones still work fine.


How do you know what address to tell people to send your Bitcoins to?

I deleted the whole Bitcoin folder. Nothing is left of the program... zip.

I download a new bitcoin program and the same address that the computer had as before is still there.

You deleted the program but not the data because that is in a different place. It would be like deleting notepad, redownloading it and being shocked that you can still read mydiary.txt.

Where is that other file located? This is for Vista. I read this:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet#Making_a_new_wallet


and it says the file is at:

Windows: %APPDATA%\Bitcoin\


I deleted that whole folder → \Bitcoin\



hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1002
September 24, 2012, 01:12:32 PM
#16
You were not hacked. You did not lose anything yet. The new address is just a new address. You still have the old one.

So calm down...and STOP trying to delete things until you understand what's going on.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
September 24, 2012, 01:09:21 PM
#15
Oh, you're good then. That wallet.dat should  still be sitting pretty in your user directory. Do the -rescan thing.


The old adresses will still work. I don't know why your other PC doesn't change them. Mine does it all the time and all the old ones still work fine.


How do you know what address to tell people to send your Bitcoins to?

I deleted the whole Bitcoin folder. Nothing is left of the program... zip.

I download a new bitcoin program and the same address that the computer had as before is still there.

You deleted the program but not the data because that is in a different place. It would be like deleting notepad, redownloading it and being shocked that you can still read mydiary.txt.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
September 24, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
#14

And the wallet.dat will always give you the same bitcoin address.
Because this is what the wallet.dat does/is.


How do I get the original address back? Who changed it to begin with?

You still 'have' it, it just displays a new one, usually after it is used, behavior might depend on the version, that might be why you had different experiences. It's simply to encourage you to not reuse addresses for privacy sake.

Not seeing your money and not seeing that address are not related. If you are all caught up on blocks you need to rescan like someone mentioned.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
September 24, 2012, 01:05:50 PM
#13
Oh, you're good then. That wallet.dat should  still be sitting pretty in your user directory. Do the -rescan thing.


The old adresses will still work. I don't know why your other PC doesn't change them. Mine does it all the time and all the old ones still work fine.


How do you know what address to tell people to send your Bitcoins to?

I deleted the whole Bitcoin folder. Nothing is left of the program... zip.

I download a new bitcoin program and the same bitcoin address that the computer had as before is still there. It is also wrong.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
September 24, 2012, 01:00:14 PM
#12

And the wallet.dat will always give you the same bitcoin address.
Because this is what the wallet.dat does/is.


How do I get the original address back? Who changed it to begin with?
hero member
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Merit: 1009
September 24, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
#11
Oh, you're good then. That wallet.dat should  still be sitting pretty in your user directory. Do the -rescan thing.


The old adresses will still work. I don't know why your other PC doesn't change them. Mine does it all the time and all the old ones still work fine.
member
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Merit: 10
September 24, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
#10
If there is nothing in your account simply stop the client copy the old wallet.dat in the bitcoin folder
and start it back up.
It will rescan and you have your coins back.

Please don't tell you do not have a backup.
Because this is ESSENTIAL when using bitcoin!

And the wallet.dat will always give you the same bitcoin address.
Because this is what the wallet.dat does/is.
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