Topic: Not Your Keys Not your Coins Banner Needed Everywhere? - page 2. (Read 737 times)
Changed my signature.
will move it around bit.
I will ask for some suggestions as to how to dress it up,
but I have 40k posts so it will be seen around the forum.
I am telling you to hold the btc in a safe place
Dca some
and do not buy too much.
pretty much covers the bases.
Speaking from my own perception, I can say that not up to 10% of the people whose coins are on exchanges are unaware of the Not your Keys Not your Coin slogan. Majority of the people know about the risk of keeping coins in the exchange but yet go ahead to keep it.
Myself I know the risk of keeping coins on exchange and yet I have some percentage of my portfolio on an exchange which I cannot move to my wallet for obvious reasons.
We all need to admit that this industry is so risky and as such we should take risks we can be able to withstand the shock.
We are in the bear market, even if I start a paid campaign for 8 weeks, preaching to newbies to buy now, majority will not buy now and my campaign will not stop the next set of newbies who are waiting to buy when bitcoin gets to $60k.
We should continue to do our best in spreading the news, the importance if having our coins secured with our keys, but we shouldn't over push it to be an elongated FUD which will cause more harm to the bleeding industry.
Myself I know the risk of keeping coins on exchange and yet I have some percentage of my portfolio on an exchange which I cannot move to my wallet for obvious reasons.
We all need to admit that this industry is so risky and as such we should take risks we can be able to withstand the shock.
We are in the bear market, even if I start a paid campaign for 8 weeks, preaching to newbies to buy now, majority will not buy now and my campaign will not stop the next set of newbies who are waiting to buy when bitcoin gets to $60k.
We should continue to do our best in spreading the news, the importance if having our coins secured with our keys, but we shouldn't over push it to be an elongated FUD which will cause more harm to the bleeding industry.
This is a valid point of concern because when exchanges are sinking they take down their investors funds with them. Having said that, will theymos allow for the banner display to happen?
I cannot see him adding a not your keys not your coins banner (especially for free) as a warning no matter how much momentum the campaign gathers. Even paid banner advertising was discontinued therefore if financial gain or placement of free public announcement for benefit of the community will not sway his opinion, then what will?
Is something like this what you mean?
I cannot see him adding a not your keys not your coins banner (especially for free) as a warning no matter how much momentum the campaign gathers. Even paid banner advertising was discontinued therefore if financial gain or placement of free public announcement for benefit of the community will not sway his opinion, then what will?
Is something like this what you mean?
I believe Not Your Keys Not Your Coins is even more important right now than something like, say, my own activist campaign considering that a lot of people are going to lose money if they do not see this information very clearly.
I see two options:
1: Put it in the News banner. I don't think you can put custom text in the blue bar, and a factoid is inappropriate for something as important as this.
2: Make a thread in Important Announcements board. Not about FTX but about not your keys, not your coins, and reference Celsius and FTX as recent examples. The last announcement was made in 2018 related to Electrum vulnerabilities, when a lot of people were at risk of losing their money too. So I think it's wholly appropriate.
2 is more advantageous, as you can lobby any global moderator or VIP to post it there without bothering theymos.
I have a wild suggestion i don't know how it might sound. How about soliciting to all campaigns on the forum to have it added to their avatar design that way it will capture the attention of forum users and newbies as it will be seen on regular base so long the user visits the forum.
That suggestion will not work, campaigns are here in the forum to run their own business and advertisement, and that is what they are going to use their signature and avatar designs for and not for something like this, if there is going to be a not your keys not your coins banner it will have to come through the forum administrator and not through external signature campaigns; the forum has it already as a factoid as i believe i have seen it sometime, if a banner will be added Theymos will have to add it himself. 
I have a wild suggestion i don't know how it might sound. How about soliciting to all campaigns on the forum to have it added to their avatar design that way it will capture the attention of forum users and newbies as it will be seen on regular base so long the user visits the forum. Sometimes activities can make someone forget to move coin bought on CEX back to cold wallets. It really sad how people lose coins and denied access to their coin on exchanges
In addition to the forum rules, which have been suggested several times as a welcome message to newcomers after registration, add this motto and some explanation of this rule. If a person checks the box that he has read all the rules and warnings of the forum, everything that happens to him in the future lies entirely on his shoulders. Of course, it is difficult for a beginner to learn this rule from the first steps, but if the forum is "mother," then it is convenient to teach such warnings with mother's milk.
NotYourKeys.org - Community Contribution Avatar Campaign
Community made contribution and the security checklist is helpful too.
Community made contribution and the security checklist is helpful too.
I don't know if any of the factoid slots also have a NYKNYC warning so far, but it might be useful if the admins want to insert one. Even if the level of awareness among people about factoid slots is still very low, it reflects that the forum also cares deeply about the safety of its users' funds in bitcoin.
Of course I don't think this is sound advice on my part, but something like that could be helpful.
Of course I don't think this is sound advice on my part, but something like that could be helpful.
Counterpoint: What I keep saying, we are an internet forum....not your mom.
That's true, but just having a warning like that--which, if a newcomer doesn't understand it's meaning might Google it--isn't really being intrusive, paternalistic, or anything like that. It's a piece of wisdom that anyone in the crypto space should have firmly lodged in their head. Seriously, that phrase above all others I can think of is the most important thing someone who owns crypto should have guiding them.I support this suggestion fully, though obviously it all depends on whether Theymos wants to add something like that. Something like this certainly couldn't hurt, and it'd probably be easy to do.
I would dare to say most of the people around here already practice self-custody in a proper way.
One would hope so, but keep in mind that there are a lot of members active on this forum, and it'd be nearly impossible for all of them to be adhering to the wisdom in the NYKNYC statement. Like I said, what harm can it do? 
I do not think it is necessary.
I would dare to say most of the people around here already practice self-custody in a proper way. Probably, most of the victims of these collapses we are witnessing around us are people who have invested in Bitcoin in a casual way or traders (who need to keep part of their funds in their preferred exchange), I don't consider the average Bitcointalk user to be a casual investor.
On the other hand, I do not completely oppose the idea, I could serve as some of time mark, "reminder" of the fall of these services or pseudo-official statement of this community in the middle of this chaos.
I would dare to say most of the people around here already practice self-custody in a proper way. Probably, most of the victims of these collapses we are witnessing around us are people who have invested in Bitcoin in a casual way or traders (who need to keep part of their funds in their preferred exchange), I don't consider the average Bitcointalk user to be a casual investor.
On the other hand, I do not completely oppose the idea, I could serve as some of time mark, "reminder" of the fall of these services or pseudo-official statement of this community in the middle of this chaos.
The saying sounds simple enough, but its true meaning is often overlooked by newcomers. Many people fail to appreciate the importance of this statement and the phrase will ring hollow, which is unfortunate.
I agree, of course, that it is good to inform young members about all the risks of keeping coins on centralized exchanges and other services, but it is even more important that they understand all the risks associated with holding their coins. What good is it if they have their keys but are unaware of the importance of keeping them safe? We have had numerous examples of naive and inexperienced users entering private keys on various sites and forms, only to lose their coins to scammers. The point is, no matter how hard we try, some members are impossible to save if they don't make the effort to learn about all possible threats on their own.
I agree, of course, that it is good to inform young members about all the risks of keeping coins on centralized exchanges and other services, but it is even more important that they understand all the risks associated with holding their coins. What good is it if they have their keys but are unaware of the importance of keeping them safe? We have had numerous examples of naive and inexperienced users entering private keys on various sites and forms, only to lose their coins to scammers. The point is, no matter how hard we try, some members are impossible to save if they don't make the effort to learn about all possible threats on their own.
You can't fix stupid, especially when greed is part of it. And let's face it, some people are too stupid to handle their own keys properly so a message like that might backfire even if anyone paid attention to it ("Dave told me to keep coins in my own wallet and I lost my phone and now I'm broke").
Having said that, I fully support informed decisions even if they're wrong, so yes, the forum should encourage users to own their keys and bear responsibility for losing their coins instead of just giving them up to random scammers.
Having said that, I fully support informed decisions even if they're wrong, so yes, the forum should encourage users to own their keys and bear responsibility for losing their coins instead of just giving them up to random scammers.
Title says it all, with yet another disaster going on with the exchanges imploding should there be a constant banner someplace that just keeps the NYKNYC message up?
If you keep this NYKNYC banner everywhere all the time you will create countereffect, people will get used to it and won't pay much attention on real meaning.I seriously doubt many people even understand what this saying ''not your keys, not your coins'' really means, they think if this coins are on centralized exchanges, it's still their coins.
I would say that exchanging Bitcoin for shitcoins is even worse, for example, I just heard that Tether blacklisted $31.4M USDT after FTX hack!
That being said, I am not against banner or signature campaign that promotes and educates importance of real coin keys ownership.
It may save few people for sure but instead of banner can we have a child board for all the important things?
Important Announcements 
Title says it all, with yet another disaster going on with the exchanges imploding should there be a constant banner someplace that just keeps the NYKNYC message up?
No matter how determined you're to save people what many have termed entrapment in centralized exchanges, it's not going to be enough. No one can save the world. There are still going to be people who just stare at the message but go ahead to do whatever that pleases them. After all, isn't it their money? Now the interesting part is that there isn't anyway everyone can take their coins off exchanges even when they know the risk involved. Maybe investors shouldn't leave their coins there but not daily traders. 
It may save few people for sure but instead of banner can we have a child board for all the important things?
Don't get me wrong because people who are holding their cryptocurrencies in their exchange without aware of the difference between holding in a non custodial wallet and exchange then its simply due to their ignorance and such users definitely need guides for everything to get saved from scam.
Don't get me wrong because people who are holding their cryptocurrencies in their exchange without aware of the difference between holding in a non custodial wallet and exchange then its simply due to their ignorance and such users definitely need guides for everything to get saved from scam.
The only problem was the majority of crypto user that storing most of their assets on exchange is not regular forum member. Most of them is just using social media to get an update and socialized on crypto topics. I believe most of the forum users especially rank up members is already familiar and applying this on there personal finances.
Those newbie on social media just move here in the forum whenever they encounter inconvenience like FTX to seek alternative solution on there fck up situation.
Those newbie on social media just move here in the forum whenever they encounter inconvenience like FTX to seek alternative solution on there fck up situation.
Some time ago there was a free campaign with personal text+avatar that just promoted that idea, and some members, including myself, gladly accepted that idea in the hope ...
I bet this is cryptosec.info or the notyourkeys.org campaign.I don't know if it's only me, but i guess most people who uses exchanges knows this line very well, i mean the meaning behind it, but what? They still do it, taking risks trading, storing funds on exchanges as if it's their personal wallets. Mostly because they think it like banks where most knows banks is for storing money, where they don't want responsibilities to their money of securing whatever you warned them because of technicalities so exchanges will do the job for them, assuming that they will be refunded when a hack happens.
Actually, i have friends who do like this^, simply avoiding responsibilities.
This is a valid point of concern because when exchanges are sinking they take down their investors funds with them. Having said that, will theymos allow for the banner display to happen?
I cannot see him adding a not your keys not your coins banner (especially for free) as a warning no matter how much momentum the campaign gathers. Even paid banner advertising was discontinued therefore if financial gain or placement of free public announcement for benefit of the community will not sway his opinion, then what will?
Is something like this what you mean?
I cannot see him adding a not your keys not your coins banner (especially for free) as a warning no matter how much momentum the campaign gathers. Even paid banner advertising was discontinued therefore if financial gain or placement of free public announcement for benefit of the community will not sway his opinion, then what will?
Is something like this what you mean?
Title says it all, with yet another disaster going on with the exchanges imploding should there be a constant banner someplace that just keeps the NYKNYC message up?
Across the top between where it says Bitcoin Forum on the left and simple machines forum on the right just the Not Your Keys Not your Coins text up there.
Call it subminimal messaging, call it keeping it in the public eye, whatever. Just so it's there.
Counterpoint: What I keep saying, we are an internet forum....not your mom.
Just a thought. If it saves some people some money it may be worth it.
-Dave
Across the top between where it says Bitcoin Forum on the left and simple machines forum on the right just the Not Your Keys Not your Coins text up there.
Call it subminimal messaging, call it keeping it in the public eye, whatever. Just so it's there.
Counterpoint: What I keep saying, we are an internet forum....not your mom.
Just a thought. If it saves some people some money it may be worth it.
-Dave
Across the top between where it says Bitcoin Forum on the left and simple machines forum on the right just the Not Your Keys Not your Coins text up there.
My understanding is you are talking about a tag line of the main name.When you are saying not your key not your coins then you are basically telling it about the forum which does not sound related at all, sounds of topic with the forum name. If we all value the phrase then as team of the community we can have our personal text dedicated for it. Imagine majority of the members have same phrase, it will defiantly create a sense for anyone.
Users who are not using there personal text for any paid advertising they can volunteer. We also can have a factoid on the forum advertising space.
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