Topic: notblox1 vs AB de Royse777 controversy discussion thread (Read 924 times)

Maybe because he is asking for those who has had previous dealings with the user in question and most of those will be on this forum. He never exactly stated what the issue was either, so you're speculating on that and creating your own scenarios.

All of these speculations is creating more controversy than the initial thread did.

Why is he asking that question on Bitcointalk when he should have questioned the same on Altcoinstalk. I mean if the issue was on the other forum why bring it here where it never happened. If he is not happy with the BM for a campaign on a different forum, is he right in bringing the issue on this forum where it never happened. This is kind of stupidity for me as it is not something which should be discussed here.

I also saw this topic, but since I had no misunderstandings with Royce, I just passed by.
But if you are talking about checking the answers that were written on that topic that do not correspond to notblox1's request, then in my opinion, notblox1 left only those that can clarify.
Why would he write how to act? Why would he write regrets about something that people do not know? Why would he ask him a question with a question or teach him anything?
A blind or stupid person will not understand that the answers were given based on quota.
Just read all the answers. There are not many of them.
There is one that comes to the easy view that a person sees self-moderation and accepts the future of his post as a normal reality.

https://ninjastic.space/post/64518888

This is, in principle, probably how one should react to all such self-modifying topics.

To the best of my knowledge, notblox1 isn't asking for personal information, the information he seeks is from other users who have had similar experiences with Royse as him, and to put/quote it in his own words: "damaged by Royse?". I don't think that falls under personal information. It's not like he was asking for who has info on where Royse lives or if he owns a dog or a cat.

I think it's better to specify what posts count as off topic and have a higher chance of getting deleted. A thread being self moderated already suggests that any post can get deleted, but local rules help guide any replies made there.

I do agree that if everyone with no real interest ignored that thread there will be no drama and we maybe will not have had a separate topic either.

Neither of those is a real problem. The intent of the thread was given, i.e. to solicit information about potential issues with Royse. Some users choosing to speculate isn't notblox1's responsibility but if they really really want to do it... they can do what Poker Player did and start a separate thread, or obviously now just use this one. And the thread being self-moderated kinda already implies that the OP is likely to delete off topic posts. Would have been nice to have it stated explicitly but it's seems pointless to overreact to deleted posts the way some users did here. It's not like the OP is hiding a scam or something.

I saw the thread, shrugged ("more Royse drama"), didn't have anything to contribute of what the OP asked, and moved past it. Everyone here should try that, it's really easy. I love a good drama... in its appropriate time and place and that thread very obviously ain't it.

Edit: gremmar and spellign.

Admins on both forums cannot really help in this case. It doesn't fall under any of both forum rules so can only be settled between both users using the fine print of the contest that is speculated to be the cause of the issue.

The two problems I notice here are;
• nothlox1 did not give any reason for his initial thread, which means users are sure to speculate and draw conspiracy theories, and
• The exact local rules of the self moderated thread were not set. You reserve the rights to delete ANY post in a thread you're moderating, but it's ethical to set the rules so users know what is guiding conversations there.

If you think that, what are you doing contributing to keep the thread alive?

I don't intend to keep it alive forever, though, as I think the issue is clear, and that people who were censored in the other thread have been able to express themselves here. Surely in a couple of days I'll lock it.

Hi LoyceV, sorry for the late reply. I have been so busy today.

I did not give notblox1 any feedback until he continued to delete other people's posts. The neutral trust is about people should avoid posting in its self moderated thread.

See how long the thread is: https://ninjastic.space/topic/5508851.0
See the remaining posts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5508851

I can learn from there that notblox1 is very self-centered and does not know how to handle matters. He continued to surprise me and lied. He can turn truth to lies as he did not give what actually happened on his neutral trust against me. But which I am not bothered about as I know him already.


See his neutral trust against me because I gave him a neutral trust:


I am not concerned about the neutral trust but is that not a lie? I was not the only person that he deleted his posts but he gave only me the neutral trust . He gave the neutral trust because of another reason. Anyone that wants to make deals with someone like notblox1 should be very careful. I do not think someone like him knows the appropriate way to handle matters because he may not tell the truth about what actually happened.

Some people may be thinking I am having grudge against him. No I am not having anything against him than his poor moral standard of handling matter which should be corrected. I will delete the neutral trust as some of you against it. Also that almost everyone have seen it not to post on his thread.

About people that are on his side, they are not doing him any good. I expected what he did from untrustworthy user on this forum.

Also I do not expect anyone to send him any personal messages. If anyone feels cheated by any member on this forum, the person can create a thread about it on the reputation board.

I agree with you. Royse’s reputation could be at stake if he makes rash comments and blows the issue out of proportion. Given his standing as a well-known campaign manager in the forum, potential advertisers and project owners will likely consider his reputation before working with him. This is a minor issue that doesn’t need escalation, and perhaps the thread shouldn’t have been made in the first place. It’s best to let it die down quietly.

The problem here is that a thread was created on Bitcointalk for an issue on Altcoinstalk. The admin of Altcoinstalk is pretty active on the chat box that appears on the homepage. If he has an issue of not getting paid for his review he should take this issue on Altcoinstalk and inform the admin. I do not understand why he is trying to create a rift here on Bitcointalk.

I do not see any rules that say we can discuss issues about different forums on Bitcointalk. If we keep discussing it here then the next topic will appear in some other forum where a user did not get paid by BM of BTT. I think it is stupidity at its best considering both parties involved here have a decent reputation.

I’m not taking side on both user but @Notblox1 thread was dedicated for different purpose and not for discussion about his issue against Royse777. There’s nothing to be discussed on that thread and creating this thread is the best solution if people want to chime in on the issue.

@Notblox1, Just lock your thread and bump regularly if you want to make it visible since you are asking communication via PM instead of deleting users post that creates chaos.

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There’s no written rule about self-moderation thread because it’s always based on OP discretion on what post to delete or not since he is the one who created it.

I have read the thread in the other forum, and there's clearly "reserve the right" regarding payments. If he didn't deem notblox1's review worthy of payment, then it's the manager's right not to pay it.

Notblox1's action of creating a thread with a self-moderation option is definitely a way to silence different POVs from different members. It's highly discouraged, no matter how you look at it.

There's replies in the thread on altcoinstalks, but as far as here I wouldn't waste my time if I was Royse. Nothing to be gained from a reply as there really isn't much of a case as far as scam goes.

So this is really happening? I haven’t seen any thread or reply from AB de Royse777 about this, or maybe I just haven’t explored it enough. Hopefully, even if there’s some misunderstanding, we should all stay civil and objective. No need to throw personal stuff or dig up dirt. Just stick to the topic. The community’s here to help if there’s a chance to solve the issue. Personally, I’m just observing since I don’t know the whole story, but between the two, I know AB de Royse777 better since he manages a lot of campaigns, and so far, I haven’t seen any complaints against him- this might be the first, correct me if I’m wrong.

I checked my post archive, and it looks like unnecessary censorship.

Agreed. Reading the posts, it turns out to be about a review campaign on "altcointalk".

I won't post in the censored topic, but I don't like that he's asking for personal information:

Everyone knows posts can be deleted from a self-moderated thread. It looks like a grudge now, to leave a (neutral) tag because your post got deleted. This belongs in your diary: "someone on the internet was mean to me".

I've just edited the title to one that seems more appropriate if there is to be ongoing discussion.

Exactly. If a legendary member and who is well known, well behaved and has good discussion habit create a self moderated thread, then reputable members will also make comments either against and support. Because when you create a thread, it is not expected that everyone will only talk the good side of the starter but also his or her fault. And I don't think it is good to delete comments because the comment doesn't aligned with the Op. And if he does then when will that Op learn and know his fault? Nobody is always right. And when an Op deletes comments from a self moderated thread because of unfavorable comments then that is bad. Op in those threads should only delete out of point comments and comments that doesn't follow the thread discussion and not comments that inline with discussion of the thread and if he does that then the thread became bias and it is bad for the forum.

Just to point out this is because off topic posts aren't moderated by mods over there, self-moderated topics are possible but only with the user subscribed to specific membership groups. So for bounty managers and official/verified accounts this isn't a problem as self-moderated option comes with the membership, but for "regular" users this is very expensive to put it simply.

So it's not not that notblox1 couldn't do anything about it, it's that they didn't want to pay 1.1 ETH for the privilege for moderate their own topic, was much cheaper to come here