Topic: [November 2016] Bitcoin Mining Datacenters by the Megawatt - page 3. (Read 36811 times)

"1MW | Bitcoin ASIC Hosting | Western Technology Center (leased space from Dell) | Quincy, Washington, USA
Note: 2.5 MW expansion planned, no word on whether or not that has happened.
Source: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/10/10/dell-becomes-bitcoin-mining-data-center-provider/"

We do not operate out of Dell or have for sometime (Late 2014).  Thru this whole time we have owned and operated our own facility.  Dell was just overflow capacity.  Please change to reflect that.  Thanks!  We are in Douglas County, Washington USA.


Cheers,
Dalkore

Genesis Mining claims it started in Bosnia running GPU's then setup in China running scrypt and then finally ended up setting up several datacenters in Iceland mining bitcoin and X11.

https://vimeo.com/136927293

I'm not sure how much power they have in total and I don't know how many sites in Iceland. However we can conclude since we only are talking about bitcoin and that just from what is shown in the video. I can count 16 sections on the bottom and another 6 on top, each containing 9 x SP30/SP35 machines using at least 3kW to 3.5 kW of power each. So thats between 594 kW and 693 kW at least.

Here are some more pics I found of their facility

http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/design-build/bitcoin-miner-runs-the-ultimate-shoestring-facility/94764.fullarticle

Well after reading that article it claims that Genesis is currently using 1.2 MW. Also noted in the article is that BitFury's Iceland datacenter was apparently actually built by Advania. As previously discussed in the forum that BitFury has vacated this space. It appears that Advania now is offering this space to interested mining parties for 75 euro/kW-month.

https://www.advania.com/cloud/data-center-it-services/#bitcoin-colocation

They call it the Mjölnir Data Center and list the location here;

https://www.google.is/maps/place/Hafnavegur,+Hafnir/@63.9331794,-22.6711592,16.5z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4929fd06e84f0793:0x6c01580688cd513f?hl=en

Apparently google maps imaging is out dated. BitFury had posted a video of this sites construction;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvGtrflL8zA

You'll also notice ... this well known image from that video;

https://news.bitcoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/bitfury-coop-view1.jpg

Is the blurred backdrop image on Advania's page;

https://www.advania.com/cloud

Apparently there are 3 of these buildings each supporting 2 MW or more for a total of perhaps 6 MW.

http://cdn.ttgtmedia.com/rms/onlineImages/sdc_iceland_04.jpg

Additionally it does appear BitFury has a second datacenter in Georgia;

http://cbw.ge/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/10525004_1154234711273103_253096434_n.jpg

Which is certainly different from their first one which was stated to be 20 MW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3xRNmtpy6s

The new datacenter is stated to be 40 MW.

http://cbw.ge/business/pm-unveils-datacenter-with-innovative-energy-efficient-cooling-system/

And is stated to be utilizing their immersion cooling technology on both previous 28nm and latest 16nm chips.

"BitFury mega processing datacenter is equipped by the most advanced 28 and 16 nanometer chips."


Also don't forget Bitcoin Club Network which not much before January had less than 5 petahash is also in Iceland and lately has been showing up at around 20 petahash. Which means even with they have to be 5 - 10 MW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eId68Y9fsYA

They are clearly building this out right now.

This pic looks to be an older facility as it looks like all S2's or S4's and the page this image comes from talks about their new Iceland facillity back in July.

http://bitcoinsalvation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/bitmine4.jpg

http://bitcoinsalvation.com/blog/2015/06/bitclub-new-mining-pool-coming-soon/

Some more info from their own site;

https://bitclubnetwork.com/products.html

Hash the Planet

http://hashthepla.net/#section-pricing

Located at a property owned by Jay Byers, owner of the 106,000-square-foot Mission District building in Cashmere who has been leasing 13,000-square feet of space to a server farm business for the past 18 months.

https://www.chelanpud.org/docs/default-source/commission/forum-lets-high-density-power-users-share-their-side-of-the-story---leavenworth-echo-jan-27-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=0

It does not mention the total capacity but it does mention the total investment of $800k going on $1M, so I would assume no less than 1 MW and probably no more than 2 MW.

http://hashthepla.net/gallery/#!

Looks like they are selling on eBay right now ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281899529175

The listing says "We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds". So I would assume no less than 300 and probably no more than maybe 1000. Assuming this isn't the only equipment the power need of 180 kW - 600 kW. Since that lines up with the original projection above I would assume it's a 1 MW datacenter. However spending $800k - $1 M on the setup in the picture of the Hash the Planet pics leads me to think they have a lot more power they aren't using.

In the above Chelan PUD document the building owner Jim Byers mentions ""I made the agreement with these guys that I would build the server system and in two years they will buy it for $3 million more than he put into it. So far, I'm $800,000 into this thing and will be $1 million into it before its done. I own the server system and they run the computers," he said. "They told me if the rate goes up, they will just move. I will lose $4 million if you do this."

So it sounds like he bought a bunch of miners. Man .. what did S5's go for ... $340-$420 ... If you spent $1 million on build out and another $3 million on S5's that would get you approximately 7000 S5's and psu's .... That would use 590 watts x 7000 miners = 4.1 MW. Which is still within the 5 MW Chelan PUD limit for subsidized power rates.

Although in that "High Density Load Forum with Chelan County PUD and Salcido Connection Wenatchee WA" video I posted earlier which is from just a couple days ago. It is stated several times the "actual amount of power being used currently in Chelan PUD is just over 5 MW" and that perhaps there "were" previously failed endeavors accounting for several other MW that may no longer be utilized for mining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUPLp_AVIWY"

So if you take that as absolute truth then the following operations cannot account for more than "just over 5 MW" of active capacity. Malachi claims he is using 3.7MW of that figure leaving 1.3 - 1.6MW to account for the other two.

Dedicated ASIC Services - Michael Cao / Cashmere, could be ZoomHash who claims to have 3MW http://zoomhash.com/pages/hosting
Salcido Connection - Malachi Salcido / Cashmere, South Wenatchee
Hash the Planet - Sean Cooper / Cashmere

Oh ... cool I just confirmed the location of the second Salcido connection site.

"At last Wednesday's forum Salcido Connection owner Malachi Salcido, who has equipped much of the former Tree Top facility in Cashmere as a low tier no tier data center and is working on a second facility in the Go USA building in Wenatchee"

http://cashmerevalleyrecord.com/print.asp?ArticleID=9072&SectionID=5&SubSectionID=5

So that confirms it is the building on the right.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/GO+USA,+Inc/@47.4179256,-120.3044442,3a,75y,328.03h,90.39t/data=

One we don't really know on is some old spot's PCFLI ran miners in:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514758.0


I know all of his current group buys go into a really nice center.  But these old "simple" ones I would guess someone else if not him is using.  Can't imagine building farms and then leaving them.   This is just a example I figure there are a few players with "simple' data centers that are pretty hard to track.  And this is all speculation I have no idea who owns the simple ones now.

There are a few missing ones I think;


LordPaco has a 1 MW mine according to, could be 4-5MW now according to reference below;

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1159107

Also pictures from page 40 in "Miner photo 'porn'"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--766998

It's stated that the goal is to being 4 MW online by the end of the year. The post is from 08/23/2015.

Quite recently ASICSPACE had a some sort of "parting ways" with their original datacenter operated by, and they moved their remaining customers to Quincy, WA and into LordPaco's space;

"ASICSpace Mining Co. v. Salcido Connection Inc."

http://wbjtoday.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&subsectionID=62&articleID=3627

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13190964

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13560711

That means Salcido Connection Inc. is now going to operate their own datacenter with the capacity previously allocated to ASICSPACE.

http://ncwbusiness.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=45&ArticleID=3742&TM=57112.81

I find it interesting that he contests the stigma around bitcoin not creating jobs.

"The metric we need to get out there is this is way more jobs per megawatt than manufacturing," he said. "Alcoa used 250 megawatts for 450 jobs. I'm creating more than 50 family wage jobs on 4 megawatts. And there's a ton of direct and indirect economic spinoff from that. Data space and emerging technology draws all kinds of spin off support industries, the kind you can imagine and those you can't imagine."

However everyone in the Chelan area is running into potential problems securing power pricing;

http://kuow.org/post/virtual-currency-meets-wariness-it-plugs-cheap-columbia-river-power

"High Density Load Forum with Chelan County PUD and Salcido Connection Wenatchee WA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUPLp_AVIWY

seek to 4:50

At 11:50 he mentions "We have two facilities, we have a 2MW at the old Tree Top plant in Cashmere, WA and we have another 1.7MW in south Wenatchee that we call Columbia Data."

The second location might be at this site on Columbia St.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/GO+USA,+Inc/@47.4179256,-120.3044442,3a,75y,328.03h,90.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFUoUHGOzUZCiJu2zxRvYYg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x3d6360bf7572beb0!6m1!1e1

Notice the power going to the upper floor of the building on the left, looks like 1MW of 3 phase. Then there is another 750 kVA transformer on the street to the right. In short, plenty of power on this street to get 1.7MW.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/GO+USA,+Inc/@47.418386,-120.3036617,299m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x3d6360bf7572beb0!6m1!1e1

The aerial view shows that Columbia St is adjacent to this substation and there are visibly existing overhead lines carrying that power over to Chehalis St and then to Columba St. Pretty ideal short runs!
Also in this meeting is "Dedicated ASIC Services" ... anyone know who that is?

Plus there is also .. OregonMines which I read had 500 kVA in one location and another 1 MW in a different location in the same area. I can not seem to find a reference for that.

https://www.oregonmines.com/location/

KNC is located in The Node Pole which is a collection of business industrial real estate which is open to development. Obviously they have attractive offerings for people opening up shop there.

The KNC Boden datacenters are right next to each other neighboring the old Helicopter Air Base.

http://thenodepole.com/data-center-sites/helicopter-air-base/

They have hyrdro and local biogas power production and in addition are well connected to their national electric grid.

http://thenodepole.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/hydro-960x485-900x455.png

If I recall the first KNC site was 10MW and the second was going to be 20MW .. or was that 20MW total and an additional 10MW ... I'm not 100% sure, I would have to scour the media releases.

This is also home to Hydro66

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-hydro66-all-inclusive-miner-hosting-in-sweden-from-60kwm-update-765407

http://thenodepole.com/data-center-sites/hydro66/

"Hydro66, a data centre provider financed by Black Green Capital"

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/22/cloud-storage-data-centre-sweden-arctic-hydro66

"Hydro 66’s anchor tenant in their first facility is a Bitcoin operation called MegaMine, which has the same equity backers and management as Hydro66."

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/10/23/hydro66-kicks-off-sweden-data-center-construction-in-facebooks-neighborhood/

MegaMine is apparently these dudes;

http://www.megamine.com/aboutus.php

The pic on that page of their datacenter is clearly not their datacenter and is a pic from a facebook datacenter. Which is ironic because Facebook also actually has a datacenter in the area. Same reference as above.

10MW are ~34PH on Avalon's.

http://organofcorti.blogspot.be/2016/02/february-7th-2016-block-maker-statistics.html

One I did not see on list is BlockC.  They report having 10 MW datacenter - http://www.blockc.co/ .  They are the distributor of Avalon gear outside of China.  So it is likely they have a sizable amount.

Might add them to list, I did not find them.  But I could have missed it.

Does it include the future Bitmain 16 nm chip based miners or just the more A6 or S7?

This is probably the wrong section for this.
1.) Ebay is terrible, I agree.
2.) Not necessarily, it depends on your power cost and the cost of the miner
3.) Buying directly from a hoster is nice (you don't need to pay for shipping) but it's not necessary.
4.) I don't think you can lease miners anyways.
5.) Contracts suck! You'll lose in the long run.

I just wanted to say thanks for the great job armedmilitia!

So i wanted to get more 'into' the hole mining thing. So just wanted to write down my thought (please tell me if im wrong)

1. Don't buy used hardware from ebay or w.e.
2. Buy new hardware, which has the best kw/power ratio.
3. Buy the hardware from someone, who also can host it.
4. Don't lease urself an miner. It just doen't give any return.
5. Maybe buy a contract - if lucky it can payout

-- if u mind having my post here, i can remove and post in the mining forum --

Any other suggestions for the beginners list?

Edit: One question, is it better to self say which pool you want, or just let the "hosting company" decide?

Thanks for answering all these questions.
Out of curiosity, how many MW of capacity do you have?

We have been phasing out old machines - the S3s that appeared in the pictures I took and posted on this forum were all sold. As a bulk buyer we can afford to pay a significant amount in advance, as a result, we are often be able to receive new machines from the manufacturers earlier than the market and at lower prices. Quite often we find that we can make a nice chunk of money not doing actually mining but just reselling the machines we just get.

I really don't think so, it's not cost effective for HAOBTC to spend extra money on more efficient hardware--their electricity costs are very low.

We have these public pages:
* https://www.f2pool.com/bitcoin-blocks
* https://www.f2pool.com/litecoin-blocks
* https://www.f2pool.com/regions
Afaik, BTCC does not own mining hardwares either.

BIG UPDATE:
-Removed bitfury's 100MW datacenter. It doesn't exist, it's the same DC as the 40MW one. If you look here their 100MW datacenter is only quoted as "up to" 100MW, they had a seriously misleading press release. Also, the 40MW and 100MW datacenter are located in the exact same technology park. Plus, they are never both mentioned in the same press release, kind of like superman and clark kent.
http://agenda.ge/news/43030/eng

-Removed bitfury's 8.5MW datacenter. It's actually owned and operated by Advania (datacenter company), and I can't tell how much is used for miner hosting. Maybe bitfury uses it, but right now I don't have a source for it.
http://stundin.is/frett/vafasamar-tengingar-staersta-gagnavers-landsins/

-Downgraded bitfury's 20MW datacenter to 10MW. Another misleading press release, if you see this news report (and translate it), you can see that they only pay for 9.9MW of power from the power company. If anyone has a conflicting (non-bitfury) source please help me out.
https://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnetgazeti.ge%2F2015%2F08%2F06%2F48634%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Actually, that article has tons of juicy info about bitfury. Namely, it appears they've spun down their icelandic mining operations (part of the reason for removing it), and their datacenter plan in finland failed. I suspect both of these have to do with electricity rates impacting the bottom line, but that's just my opinion. Apparently they pay $0.01c/kwh in Georgia when converted to USD, which is impressive (not 100% sure on this one, the article doesn't specify whether the rate is in USD or GEL).

Well, after the dust settled it looks like I was seriously underrepresenting the USA/China market share.
Anyways, that's all for me.

To the guy who said BTCC has its own farms: Please give me a source! I want to list as many people as possible.


Hundred bucks says that it's HAOBTC, because they're located in China and have almost that exact hashrate.

Very intersting data philipma I don't think I have seen this before.  There are less then I was expecting.

Are you able to do the same with antpool?   Could we see how big operations are within it?

BTCC has it own mining farms, it is also a very big farm.