Now that we know many XT nodes are fake, what are the implications?

hdbuck

legendary

Activity: 1260

Merit: 1002

Quote from: SebastianJu on September 18, 2015, 02:19:00 PM

Quote from: Linuld on September 16, 2015, 08:48:38 PM

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 01:51:10 PM

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1155836

If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

The noXT release was for showing XT-Nodes that actually are no XT-Nodes. So can you explain your logic behind believing why a XT-Supporter should run an XT-Node that actually is not an XT-Node? He surely would run a real XT-Node. And users that don't like XT would have no reason to use it either. Since why should they promote XT that way? They would use bitcoin core.

So i don't see the logic behind such accusations.

That software was developed by someone who does not like XT. And i still don't see what the usecase for it is.

This! I mean this thread is about a software that is a core node but shows up as a xt wallet. Why the heck should an xt supporter install something like that? He could install an xt node from the start.

This accusation makes no sense. If this software would only fake a node, then ok, but it doesn't. It is a full core node.

To believe that xt supporters should use this makes no sense. Even xt haters using it makes no sense. They would install core nodes to make their point. The only real usecase for this software is, in my eyes, to being able to claim that most xt nodes are fake. Which again makes no sense when you look at it.

Maybe i miss something about the nature of the software.

actually you pretty much figured it out on your own..

it does make sense that it was somehow designed to just mess with the Xters: decredebilising their data from the beginning..

clever move, if you ask me ^^

edit: not even sure anyone running actual notxt nodes... its lika comunication op, with a ghost software, filling its purpose without even be running Grin

SebastianJu

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 1083

Legendary Escrow Service - Tip Jar in Profile

Quote from: Linuld on September 16, 2015, 08:48:38 PM

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 01:51:10 PM

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1155836

If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

The noXT release was for showing XT-Nodes that actually are no XT-Nodes. So can you explain your logic behind believing why a XT-Supporter should run an XT-Node that actually is not an XT-Node? He surely would run a real XT-Node. And users that don't like XT would have no reason to use it either. Since why should they promote XT that way? They would use bitcoin core.

So i don't see the logic behind such accusations.

That software was developed by someone who does not like XT. And i still don't see what the usecase for it is.

This! I mean this thread is about a software that is a core node but shows up as a xt wallet. Why the heck should an xt supporter install something like that? He could install an xt node from the start.

This accusation makes no sense. If this software would only fake a node, then ok, but it doesn't. It is a full core node.

To believe that xt supporters should use this makes no sense. Even xt haters using it makes no sense. They would install core nodes to make their point. The only real usecase for this software is, in my eyes, to being able to claim that most xt nodes are fake. Which again makes no sense when you look at it.

Maybe i miss something about the nature of the software.

iCEBREAKER

legendary

Activity: 2156

Merit: 1072

Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on September 17, 2015, 05:55:09 AM

over 10%, quite good

Yes, NotXT is a huge success (except for mining, where BIP100 obviously dominates).

LiteCoinGuy

legendary

Activity: 1148

Merit: 1014

In Satoshi I Trust

over 10%, quite good for XT. good to have a fallback system.

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 2965

Terminated.

Quote from: bitgolden on September 17, 2015, 03:07:52 AM

Even if the XT not are fake, no one can create new blocks with fake nodes. XT implementation would be based on 75% block generation. So fake node is impossible to run. Absolutely meaningless.

Wrong. Yes, you can manipulate the network with fake nodes. Anyone can run a fake node, it is easy.

Quote from: killerjoegreece on September 17, 2015, 01:15:03 AM

i dont know if xt nodes are fake or not. but this blocksize debate needs to end allright...

Some of them are, some of them aren't. It doesn't look like there will be a resolution yet.

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 06:56:01 PM

Go altcoins. Bitcoin is done. It'll be downgraded to "Gavincoin/Bitcoin maybe inbetween situation for next 5 years"-price. Markets don't wait for anyone and are only so patient. Market will give bitcoin time to figure its issues out and by the time it has done that an alt has already taken over #1 spot hopefully and that alt has also much higher tps of course which is no biggy as parctically any altcoin on the market has higher tps than btc.

Do you know who really believes this? Only people invested in random altcoins and nobody else. There was even a small joke about a "2.0" marketing coin during the last workshop. Bitcoin is currently working and the debate should not be having an affecting on trading at all.

Quote from: Snorek on August 18, 2015, 06:37:07 PM

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

We are fine at the moment. If you want to blame someone then blame the ones who started this so called "war".

bitgolden

legendary

Activity: 2996

Merit: 1132

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Even if the XT not are fake, no one can create new blocks with fake nodes. XT implementation would be based on 75% block generation. So fake node is impossible to run. Absolutely meaningless.

killerjoegreece

legendary

Activity: 1680

Merit: 1010

Professional Native Greek Translator (2000+ done)

i dont know if xt nodes are fake or not. but this blocksize debate needs to end allright...

Linuld

sr. member

Activity: 473

Merit: 250

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 01:51:10 PM

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1155836

If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

The noXT release was for showing XT-Nodes that actually are no XT-Nodes. So can you explain your logic behind believing why a XT-Supporter should run an XT-Node that actually is not an XT-Node? He surely would run a real XT-Node. And users that don't like XT would have no reason to use it either. Since why should they promote XT that way? They would use bitcoin core.

So i don't see the logic behind such accusations.

That software was developed by someone who does not like XT. And i still don't see what the usecase for it is.

balu2

hero member

Activity: 742

Merit: 500

Quote from: Snorek on August 18, 2015, 06:37:07 PM

Quote from: Alley on August 18, 2015, 02:46:29 PM

Who cares?

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

Go altcoins. Bitcoin is done. It'll be downgraded to "Gavincoin/Bitcoin maybe inbetween situation for next 5 years"-price. Markets don't wait for anyone and are only so patient. Market will give bitcoin time to figure its issues out and by the time it has done that an alt has already taken over #1 spot hopefully and that alt has also much higher tps of course which is no biggy as parctically any altcoin on the market has higher tps than btc.

tvbcof

legendary

Activity: 4690

Merit: 1276

Quote from: Snorek on August 18, 2015, 06:37:07 PM

Quote from: Alley on August 18, 2015, 02:46:29 PM

Who cares?

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

Gavin is obviously nothing more than Hearn's muppet at this point. I don't rule out that he is actually stupid enough to believe most of what he says. I also have never seen any reason to doubt that he agrees in principle that Bitcoin is to dangerous to society without corp/gov moderation in the form of white/black-listing to get rid of 'the bad guys' and either doesn't understand what this would do to Bitcoin as an innovation or does not care. In more succinct shorthand, Gavin loves big brother.

iCEBREAKER

legendary

Activity: 2156

Merit: 1072

Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

I'm not arguing that most are real, I'm arguing that you can't prove that most are fake.

You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on GavincoinXT to demonstrate its supposed economic majority, especially now that its ostensible node count has been spoofed into worthless noise.

Snorek

legendary

Activity: 1400

Merit: 1001

Quote from: Alley on August 18, 2015, 02:46:29 PM

Who cares?

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

quakefiend420

legendary

Activity: 784

Merit: 1000

Quote from: hdbuck on August 18, 2015, 06:15:46 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

Correlation <> causation

you might wanna remind this to gavin's derpery linking adoption to blocksize.

or even mass adoption >> bitcoin price surge Roll Eyes

I don't think that anyone on the Dev team has made that claim, have they?

No one is saying that increased block size automatically means increased adoption. I don't think anyone is talking about price at all here...

On the other hand, consistently full blocks, delayed transaction times, and high fees will certainly stall adoption later.

Klestin

hero member

Activity: 493

Merit: 500

Implications? None. The rollout logic depends on blocks mined, not nodes running.

quakefiend420

legendary

Activity: 784

Merit: 1000

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 06:14:18 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:11:55 PM

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 06:09:42 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

Making the title of the thread misguided at best, and intentionally inflammatory and misleading at worst.

Fixed it for your little feelz so you don't need to cry so much.

Why so hostile?

Because the environment is toxic.

So being an ass is making that better somehow?

Be the change that you want to see in the world.

hdbuck

legendary

Activity: 1260

Merit: 1002

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

Correlation <> causation

you might wanna remind this to gavin's derpery linking adoption to blocksize.

or even mass adoption >> bitcoin price surge Roll Eyes

balu2

hero member

Activity: 742

Merit: 500

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:11:55 PM

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 06:09:42 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

Making the title of the thread misguided at best, and intentionally inflammatory and misleading at worst.

Fixed it for your little feelz so you don't need to cry so much.

Why so hostile?

Because the environment is toxic. You should be able to get over it Wink

What does the detail matter much? Nothing for the discussion. Complaining about title just eats up space and time.

quakefiend420

legendary

Activity: 784

Merit: 1000

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 06:09:42 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

Making the title of the thread misguided at best, and intentionally inflammatory and misleading at worst.

Fixed it for your little feelz so you don't need to cry so much.

Why so hostile?

balu2

hero member

Activity: 742

Merit: 500

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM

Making the title of the thread misguided at best, and intentionally inflammatory and misleading at worst.

Fixed it for your little feelz so you don't need to cry so much.

quakefiend420

legendary

Activity: 784

Merit: 1000

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:12:01 PM

Quote from: quakefiend420 on August 18, 2015, 01:58:14 PM

Quote from: balu2 on August 18, 2015, 01:51:10 PM

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1155836

If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

You're the one that used the word "most". We asked for evidence that the majority are fake. You don't seem to have that.

Your evidence shows that at least one(likely more) is fake. Far cry from most.

You don't have evidence the majority are real. As OP noted, "the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software."

Correlation <> causation

I'm not arguing that most are real, I'm arguing that you can't prove that most are fake. Making the title of the thread misguided at best, and intentionally inflammatory and misleading at worst. Stop trying to prove me wrong and worry more about proving yourself right...

Speaking for myself, I switched my node to XT on Sunday, right around the time that noXT was released. Had nothing to do with noXT, it just took a couple days before I had time to mess with it. This is also when the massive revolt on \r\bitcoin started(also one of the catalysts for me to switch, actually...perhaps I'm not alone). This is my way of voting support for larger blocks.

Topic: Now that we know many XT nodes are fake, what are the implications? (Read 2642 times)