Topic: Nvidia (Read 1095 times)

Bit of a conundrum isn't it?

How to get the most out of mining.  Mine alts and hold for long term value or sell short for Bitcoin. The latter has a larger tax liability but guaranteed profit. The former is cheaper on taxes and has potential for huge gains if you hold the right coin.  Could also get burned and hold the bag full of something totally worthless.

Interesting choices.

While I agree it sucks that cards  are expensive right now. Waiting a few months defeats the purpose of mining. The mining difficulty is ever increasing so you want to mine as much as you can today, for tomorrow’s increase in the coin. While the price today of mining indicates an ROI of longer than it will be to wait and save cash to buy the card, this has never been the way to get the most out of mining.

The one caveat to this is we have both a GPU shortage AND a market crash. You’re better off buying coin in this situation. If it was only a GPU shortage, then you were better off buying cards no matter the increase (to a certain extent).  For example, if you believe Ethereum will EVER reach 2k, why would anyone care to save $200 today? Makes no sense.

This announcement is just a drama towards Gamers. I don’t believe they really care as a business who buys and uses their graphic cards and for what. This is where they make a lot of money.

The first ones released will be blower cooler models.  Demand will be through the roof.  Prices high.

Good luck obtaining one.  You'll have to camp out and snipe cards as they get in stock.  Or compete with bots to get one.

Unless the crypto market goes further down and stays down for months.  Then it may be easier to  score a GPU.

For me it is a good move since the GPU market is solely been held by crypto miners which is not good for the target market of these products, though they manufacturers do not have the control of selling this card it is the distributors that should implements this. Although there are cards that were released for mining it seams like miners do not like it because of its warranty.

I've seen the same rumors - and they all seem to have ORIGINATED from a single source that was SPECULATING.

The only hard info at this time on Ampere out of NVidia is "the generation after Volta" - and there are comments from folks that ARE in the know (like TSMC) that indicate the next generation consumer cards WILL be Volta.

I would not expect to see actual Ampere hardware 'till somewhere in 2019 at the earliest.

Given the TSMC announcement about shifting production TO VOLTA GPUs "around the end of the year" I expect Volta to get announced in early Spring and possibly be available immediately, for at least the first higher-end models - though actual sales might be delayed a month or two after the announcement like Nvidia has done before, they HAVE to be feeling some pressure to get SOME high-end cards back in the market ASAP.



 Interesting thing, I'm starting to see some spotty availability improvements on the AMD side - but not on the Nvidia side so far.

The new Ampere cards will prolly be out in fall 2018. They wont make new 1080TIs and 1070TIs until then. The perfect time to sell your current cards would be in the beginning of June. The demand will be highest, and the supply will be lowest. No one will know the hashrate of the new cards, so its abit of a gamble. Will it be worth buying the new ones? It almost always is.

So now I'm hearing rumors that NVIDIA will skip the voltas and move on to the amperes.  What does this mean? Do you think they will be out in April?  I'm thinking it will be more like Fall 2018.

You can get NVidia cards at minimal markup - with a LOT of patience, or a willingness to "go small" on the GTX 1050 and 1050 ti models (which are NOT in short supply, still sell for LESS than MSRP in many cases, and use GPU chips made by Samsung as opposed to the GTX 1060 and up being TSMC made GPU chips IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY).

Looks like before new anounciation IMHO no sense to buy nvidia cards on x2 price:)will wait fee months:)

maybe not on their roadmap but it will inevitably have an impact on their pricing, when offer and demand are distorted like it is today, it will have an impact on pricing. If they do as if there was no difference for them (which might be the case), prices are likely to go up fast and stocks go down.

1 april.

They will produce as much as they project they can sell, no matter mining or not.
They earn on sold cards. Their profit is approx 2x on the cost for manufacture + the usual  other expenses r&d, etc.

Memory seems the bottleneck last years because nowadays it's used everywhere.

When will be new nvidia generation cards? May be they can produce more cards? Samsung is going to produce asics chips and new memory. This can solve gpu problems ?

Nvidia has 0 issues.  They were my #1 stock pick last year and their market cap has gone up 700% in the last yr.  You should look at the amount of patents they own mostly to do with VR and AI.  They are no worried about some of their video cards mining crypto.

It's called Gaming market for the gpu companies. Its more than 200 million gamers.
The fact people can mine is coincidence.

I don't see mining having ANY effect on their roadmap as such.
Support for efforts to create mining-specific cards from their existing GPUs, sure - but the mining market is to VARIABLE to plan a roadmap around for a GPU company.

what I'm wondering is how much the mining hype has influenced their roadmap. If they indeed plan to release new models, the whole price & demand ratio is out of proportion. Will they release something based on their initial plan or will it follow the same inflation but from the start? If they want to make gamers happy, they should release cards at a normal price but if those cards are good at mining, it will spin out of control again.

AMD is concentrating on Bristol Ridge and second-gen Ryzen this year, they've stated they don't plan any new discrete GPU indroductions in 2018.

Nvidia - I anticipate their GTC confrence in late March will see Volta announced (same as Pascal 2 years back), not sure on availability but they can't AFFORD to delay Volta consumer cards very long unless they're going to ramp Pascal back up for a short bit to tide folks through.
The initial release will be Founder Edition cards, dunno how long it will be 'till 3'd party Volta cards show up (in THEORY it could be same timeframe, but past experience suggests "couple weeks to a month delay after the FE version of a particular GPU shows up" is more likely.
I would guess that pricing will be at least 10% higher on MSRP than Pascal cards if only due to the increase in RAM pricing in 2017 - and won't be shocked at a 15-20% jump in some cases.

ETH - will be around a while longer as mineable, but I can't find firm information on the current "anticipated timeline" for Casper introduction. Probably a year more or less at least to go.

The Titan Xp "Star Wars" cards were in stock 'till Friday or Saturday last week, then Nvidia made some "regular" Titan Xp cards available early this week - but those seem to have dried up already.

Titans are pretty close to the 1080 ti on mining - the 1080 ti is basically 11/12ths of a Titan Xp across the board after all.

They're Founder Edition designs, so they should have pretty much the same thermal curve as the 180 ti FE cards.

Based on the Titan V benchmarks, I'm anticipating 20-30% performance jump over the "equivalent" Pascal cards at the same power consumption, or some mix of "lower power" + "not as much performance gain".
Might vary with the specific model, and they might not try to "match" the Pascal models with the new models - if nothing else, they need to CHANGE that deceptive 1060 naming where the 3GB card is NOT the same GPU as the 6GB card (it's a cut-down version, one CU disabled or some such).

More or less similar to 1080ti
Cooling is blower so probably hotter.

Titans were out of stock too recently 

How are the titans for mining?  Is it worth it at this point to pick one up or are some of the cheaper cards better at their price point.  Anyone also know how hot the titans run while mining?