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Quote from: Riptide_NVN on January 25, 2018, 08:06:58 AM

Nobody knows how long it will last and there may be another huge crash and sale of cards followed up by a period of time where not much happens. Then suddenly the market blows up again and we're back here talking about the same thing for the third time.

I agree with Travis. I'm a computer hobbyist and part time gamer primarily and I completely understand people being upset that the miners hoard everything and hog it all to themselves. It's not easy to get anything at msrp or close to it without putting some effort into it. Takes patience, knowledge, and luck to find something and get it before another person jumps in and gets it.

2018 is a bad year for nvidia, they cant meet their customers demands, their customers being gamers...

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And as has been said countless times, don't expect the cards that debut initially to have the greatest cooling solutions that you get with a mature product like the 1070 ti.

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10-15% more vs Pascals....probably. Who knows for sure.
the question you should ask is what performance % increase will be. My guess - big (not saying big for mining, but big as card performance). But we would see.

Titans and Volta current one are different kind of beasts.
Different customer base by design. They are not mass- adopted GPUs. Usually mid levels and low high levels are the mass production. i.e. 1060, 1070s.

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@cryptocommies

any idea what thesw voltas will cost? will the increase in the price match or exceed the increase in effectiveness? those are the important questions to answer. if not, then x1070s will still be better to mine with than a volta.

kind of like the titan situation right now.

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My guess is similar dates for Nvidia - possible news sometime around end March or even April, with cards available may be May-June.
What is interesting for me is what AMD is planning. Its all quiet lately with the change in their tech department.
It would be pretty bad if ETH is gone for all the milions of AMDs, given the fact cryptonight is not that interesting lately as well.

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ETH was profitable TWO YEARS AGO when it was still low double-digit pricing - if you had low electric cost and didn't pay a ton for your GPUs.

It had a lot lower diff at the time.

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Out of the box is where I live

it is profitable if you can get a decent price for GPUs and have low power costs. I started 8 months ago while ETH was still around 200$, it was already profitable at that time but return on investment for the hardware was longer. Now it's way more profitable than 8 months ago.

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My best estimate is that Nvidia will "announce" the first Volta Consumer cards at their GTC event in late March, availability is looking more and more likely to be "immediate" at that point but MIGHT be delayed 'till April.

No idea how long it will take for their "stockpile" to deplete after that - TSMC should have been making GPUs for the last month for them per their announcement from October, but the current extreme shortage on Pascal parts indicates they are going to have a TON of sale pressure when they show up for sale.

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Nvidia plans to bring us the Voltas soon, how soon I don't know but they will make a big difference in mining as their memory will be a GDDR6 which will be a really big improvement over current GDDR5 memory, kinda like the GDDR5 was to GDDR3.

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It shouldn't take 2 years to test the PoS system - I'd bet on 6 months possibly less.
Isn't the first stage "1% POS" supposed to deploy in the next month or so?
Or did it get delayed AGAIN?

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 25, 2018, 02:22:33 PM

Quote from: cryptbro on January 23, 2018, 05:24:27 PM

Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

The profitability train is going to run into a major wreck called "Ethereum move to Proof of Stake" at some point, currently intended for late this year IIRC.

Gonna be a BIG shakeout when that happens, since there are more cards mining Ethereum THAN ALL OTHER COINS COMBINED and that huge hoard of GPUs is all going to be looking for new homes at the SAME time.

They keep saying that but even the first stage is hybrid POS and so miners are still needed for at least two years to test and vette that system

and the main factor you must take into account is that if the Ethereum team can deliver a scalable POS system that is faster than POW ( thier stated goal) Eth tokens will be worth far far more than they are now

so you could mine for the next 2 years and hold alot of coins and make alot of $$ long term in any case.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 23, 2018, 04:49:57 PM

Quote from: swogerino on January 23, 2018, 02:25:29 PM

Quote from: cellard on January 23, 2018, 12:26:27 PM

Quote from: a7goo on January 23, 2018, 10:51:23 AM

What do you think about that nVidia wants to limit gpu sales to miners? Why are they moving on?

Because the gamers are getting pissed off at miners hoarding all the graphic card for themselves. Nvidia created these GPU's for gaming, not to mine shitcoins, so they are getting tired of it and will now demand that you are not a miner.

I find it kinda sad that they want to control this tho, anyone should be able to buy their product for any reason, but it seems it's having an impact on their business model.

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"For Nvidia gamers come first," Nvidia spokesman Boris Böhles told German hardware website ComputerBase last week. "All of our activities around our GeForce-products are directed towards our main target group. To ensure GeForce-Gamers continuously have access to GeForce-graphic cards even in the current situation, we recommend our trading partners to take according measures to ensure they can provide the needs of gamers per usual."

I think they should start a 100% mining dedicated solution and they would make a lot of sales and leave common GPU's for gaming.

They already have started a 100% mining dedicated solution. There is the cheaper version the Nvidia GP106 which is based on Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB version and the more expensive version the Nvidia GP104 which is some sort of near GTX 1080 and is excellent for mining. This latest card have come out only lately.

That seems to be the NVidia 3'd party makers, NOT Nvidia itself, pushing those.
The P104 is a GTX 1070 GPU set up with GDDR5x instead of the normal GDDR5, and some BIOS changes to make it work better with the different RAM.

It is amazing that you mention these cards because I just saw them being sold on ebay yesterday and asked the seller what cards are they more likely to resemble in performance.
He didn't seem to know and just randomly spurted out some card models which were from the range of 1050-1080.
I found that quite hilarious.

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Quote from: cryptbro on January 23, 2018, 05:24:27 PM

Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

The profitability train is going to run into a major wreck called "Ethereum move to Proof of Stake" at some point, currently intended for late this year IIRC.

Gonna be a BIG shakeout when that happens, since there are more cards mining Ethereum THAN ALL OTHER COINS COMBINED and that huge hoard of GPUs is all going to be looking for new homes at the SAME time.

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Nobody knows how long it will last and there may be another huge crash and sale of cards followed up by a period of time where not much happens. Then suddenly the market blows up again and we're back here talking about the same thing for the third time.

I agree with Travis. I'm a computer hobbyist and part time gamer primarily and I completely understand people being upset that the miners hoard everything and hog it all to themselves. It's not easy to get anything at msrp or close to it without putting some effort into it. Takes patience, knowledge, and luck to find something and get it before another person jumps in and gets it.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 24, 2018, 01:50:00 AM

Quote from: cryptbro on January 23, 2018, 05:24:27 PM

Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

They're worried about LONG TERM profitability vs short term spike then long term DUMP.

They are probably right not to do anything about it, I'm not sure mining as we know it today will still exist in one or two years. The model is not viable, wasting so much electricity is not something sustainable on the longer run. Like you wrote earlier, there will be one day where the second hand market will be flooded with gpus used for mining because nobody will want those cards anymore, price will strongly go down and only those willing to buy second hand mining cards will be happy. Sellers and manufacturers will both lose something in that game.

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Quote from: cryptbro on January 23, 2018, 05:24:27 PM

Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

They're worried about LONG TERM profitability vs short term spike then long term DUMP.

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Quote from: LastJedi on January 23, 2018, 12:38:40 PM

Nvidia is in a good position to do something in the market the way it is right now with alot of people who are selling their cards for maximum profits for what their company is selling them for.

AMD said they will not be releasing another model of card until 2019!
So one whole year without another 6XX model from them for the entire year.

Atleast they see they are losing alot from those people who are buying up all the stock and hording these cards and selling them for upto 6x as much as they price were upon release.

For example. I saw one ebayer selling their 560rx for $1200.
Those cards are not really that good but people are telling others to buy up whatever card that came out within the past 7-9 months and you can be getting that money back with mining within 5-6 months, which is a complete and utter lie.
You can not make that much with one of those cards.
Maybe a 1080ti which they were selling for that same price ($1200) just when the 1070ti were coming out and cards were not as rare as they are now to see on store shelves. Undecided

Holy cow.....not releasing any card for a whole year sounds like business suicide....unbelievable!

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Lmao not our fault they're too closed-minded to see the profitability. This trains not stopping for anyone. Mine on.

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Quote from: klintistwood on January 23, 2018, 03:56:44 PM

They probably don't believe in mining on the longer run.

They don't, and both Nvidia AND AMD have made comments about being worried that the current "mining demand" will lead to a major glut of used cards somewhere soon down the road, killing their sales and profitability when it happens for months if not years.

With that said, they probably CAN'T ramp their production up enough to meet the full demand right now, due to limits of the foundries on 14/16nm production and them ALREADY being swamped with folks wanting chips on the current node.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 23, 2018, 02:25:29 PM

Quote from: cellard on January 23, 2018, 12:26:27 PM

Quote from: a7goo on January 23, 2018, 10:51:23 AM

What do you think about that nVidia wants to limit gpu sales to miners? Why are they moving on?

Because the gamers are getting pissed off at miners hoarding all the graphic card for themselves. Nvidia created these GPU's for gaming, not to mine shitcoins, so they are getting tired of it and will now demand that you are not a miner.

I find it kinda sad that they want to control this tho, anyone should be able to buy their product for any reason, but it seems it's having an impact on their business model.

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"For Nvidia gamers come first," Nvidia spokesman Boris Böhles told German hardware website ComputerBase last week. "All of our activities around our GeForce-products are directed towards our main target group. To ensure GeForce-Gamers continuously have access to GeForce-graphic cards even in the current situation, we recommend our trading partners to take according measures to ensure they can provide the needs of gamers per usual."

I think they should start a 100% mining dedicated solution and they would make a lot of sales and leave common GPU's for gaming.

They already have started a 100% mining dedicated solution. There is the cheaper version the Nvidia GP106 which is based on Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB version and the more expensive version the Nvidia GP104 which is some sort of near GTX 1080 and is excellent for mining. This latest card have come out only lately.

That seems to be the NVidia 3'd party makers, NOT Nvidia itself, pushing those.
The P104 is a GTX 1070 GPU set up with GDDR5x instead of the normal GDDR5, and some BIOS changes to make it work better with the different RAM.

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