NVIDIA has reportedly removed LHR from its newest drivers

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 11, 2022, 01:43:28 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 10, 2022, 04:29:52 AM

Quote from: JayDDee on November 07, 2022, 01:27:56 PM

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

LHR died when ethereum mining ended. It is not profitable to mine Ethereum forks on the 3000 series of Geforce video maps.
We sometimes discuss old video cards, because for 70-80 dollars you can get 30 megahash on the Ethash algorithm.

It is profitable for me to mine ETC with my 3060ti with the new non-LHR drivers. I can't be alone. I'm sure many others who have made cheap electricity a point in their lives are also able to turn a profit with 3xxx series GPUs. This is probably when they are still not as cheap as one would think given the supply hanging over the GPU market at the moment. As far as this thread is concerned, I have also confirmed that the latest Nvidia drivers do not include the LHR that has plagued so many of us the last couple of years.

How much profit do you get? 15-20 cents from a 3060ti video card per day.
Even if I had 10 such video cards and free electricity, then I pay $10 for the Internet. The profit is very doubtful, and the breakdown of video cards is real.

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Quote from: FP91G on November 10, 2022, 04:29:52 AM

Quote from: JayDDee on November 07, 2022, 01:27:56 PM

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

LHR died when ethereum mining ended. It is not profitable to mine Ethereum forks on the 3000 series of Geforce video maps.
We sometimes discuss old video cards, because for 70-80 dollars you can get 30 megahash on the Ethash algorithm.

It is profitable for me to mine ETC with my 3060ti with the new non-LHR drivers. I can't be alone. I'm sure many others who have made cheap electricity a point in their lives are also able to turn a profit with 3xxx series GPUs. This is probably when they are still not as cheap as one would think given the supply hanging over the GPU market at the moment. As far as this thread is concerned, I have also confirmed that the latest Nvidia drivers do not include the LHR that has plagued so many of us the last couple of years.

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Quote from: JayDDee on November 07, 2022, 01:27:56 PM

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

LHR died when ethereum mining ended. It is not profitable to mine Ethereum forks on the 3000 series of Geforce video maps.
We sometimes discuss old video cards, because for 70-80 dollars you can get 30 megahash on the Ethash algorithm.

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I had an opportunity to test LHR vs anti-LHR vs no-LHR using verthash miner which does not have any anti-LHR.
I ran a seperate miner as the decoy anti-LHR process.

3070ti & 3080ti running Linux, old LHR driver unknown, new driver 520.
Decoy process ccminer allium intensity 11 for 3070ti, 12 for 3080ti.

LHR LHR+decoy 520 520+decoy
3070ti 560kH/s 807 1115 825
3080ti 842 1275 1629 1255
Total 1402 2082 2744 2080

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Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

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It's good news even if it comes a bit late the lhr had been removed some time ago by hack / mining programs is it true that the new drivers decrease the hash rate of the old cards?

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 23, 2022, 12:38:19 PM

I’m not an attorney, but I imagine there is some sort of claim against a manufacturer that artificially limits their hardware and actively takes steps to keep people from unlocking that additional power. Think about Apple getting sued for slowing down older phones in order to help maintain battery life. This situation doesn’t seem all that far from Apple’s decision. I’ll admit I’m not sure what happened to Apple in that case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia didn’t have some legal liability surrounding this issue.

Most of us, myself included actually couldn't purchase any GPU back then. The LHR was actually a good plan, but just like most anti-tampering measure, people would eventually find a way around it. Just like NiceHash.

After all, NVIDIA had no way to check which buyer is a miner or not.

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Quote from: FP91G on October 23, 2022, 05:53:54 AM

Quote from: bythesea on October 22, 2022, 01:13:13 PM

Quote from: batsonxl on October 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner Grin

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

If 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, then there would be no such price reduction in the market. The demand for video cards grows only when the payback of a video card in mining is 6-12 months.
I have a lot of GTX 1060,1070,1080 and RX 470-480 video cards that have been mining for more than 5 years. The fans are broken. Chinese fans from aliexpress are of very poor quality and work for 3-4 months, so I use standard 80x80.

Very small amount of population actually mines, granted a single miner can have 1000s of cards but there are 100s of millions of games/designers around the world world. That ROI wasn't possible in quite a long time, especially 6 months.
Two? years ago I was able to sell 1080ti for more money that I bought it for and it was 3 years old, out of warranty and so on.
Yeah but you probably take care of the cards, they are not in closed in case, you clean then,l and so on, I know "gamers" that have never cleaned a card, they have a carpet of dust and other shit but the card still works because they don't "abuse" it that much. Also many gpus are flashed to use less power and give more mhs while many gamers overclock their cards.
Also cards you mentioned are beasts, I had more 2xxx died in a year that 1xxx in 4-5

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 23, 2022, 12:38:19 PM

Quote from: FP91G on October 21, 2022, 05:12:48 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2022, 08:03:54 PM

Is this confirmed now? I haven’t downloaded the latest drivers to try but I would if this is true. Granted I’m not mining now anyway, but I’m still curious. I wonder if there have been any lawsuits filed against Nvidia for this limiting of their hardware. It seems like some legal guru out there could probably put together a decent class action lawsuit if they were bored enough. Especially now that it’s been (allegedly) unlocked since ETH mining is no longer a thing.

If you bought an LHR video card, then what claims can you have against the video card manufacturer?
The LHR limitation did not affect gaming performance, and the claims do not apply to commercial activities on video cards for home use.

I’m not an attorney, but I imagine there is some sort of claim against a manufacturer that artificially limits their hardware and actively takes steps to keep people from unlocking that additional power. Think about Apple getting sued for slowing down older phones in order to help maintain battery life. This situation doesn’t seem all that far from Apple’s decision. I’ll admit I’m not sure what happened to Apple in that case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia didn’t have some legal liability surrounding this issue.

IANAL

My take is there is no case for LHR cards because LHR was disclosed at purchase time, either implicitly or explicitly.
If the non-LHR cards are affected it's a different matter.

It would like to think there would be a case for unfair business practices for deliberately slowing a specific application without good reason
(whining gamers is not a good reason) but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

Edit: another point is whether the AIB partners would have a case if they were forced to enable LHR while Nvidia sold FE models without it.

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Quote from: FP91G on October 21, 2022, 05:12:48 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2022, 08:03:54 PM

Is this confirmed now? I haven’t downloaded the latest drivers to try but I would if this is true. Granted I’m not mining now anyway, but I’m still curious. I wonder if there have been any lawsuits filed against Nvidia for this limiting of their hardware. It seems like some legal guru out there could probably put together a decent class action lawsuit if they were bored enough. Especially now that it’s been (allegedly) unlocked since ETH mining is no longer a thing.

If you bought an LHR video card, then what claims can you have against the video card manufacturer?
The LHR limitation did not affect gaming performance, and the claims do not apply to commercial activities on video cards for home use.

I’m not an attorney, but I imagine there is some sort of claim against a manufacturer that artificially limits their hardware and actively takes steps to keep people from unlocking that additional power. Think about Apple getting sued for slowing down older phones in order to help maintain battery life. This situation doesn’t seem all that far from Apple’s decision. I’ll admit I’m not sure what happened to Apple in that case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia didn’t have some legal liability surrounding this issue.

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Quote from: FP91G on October 23, 2022, 05:53:54 AM

Quote from: bythesea on October 22, 2022, 01:13:13 PM

Quote from: batsonxl on October 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner Grin

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

If 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, then there would be no such price reduction in the market. The demand for video cards grows only when the payback of a video card in mining is 6-12 months.
I have a lot of GTX 1060,1070,1080 and RX 470-480 video cards that have been mining for more than 5 years. The fans are broken. Chinese fans from aliexpress are of very poor quality and work for 3-4 months, so I use standard 80x80.

The Gtx 10 series are one of the strongest regarding quality from what I have seen in these years that I had them from 2016 and up,I am talking about the Gigabyte and Palit brands that I had.

The Rtx 3060 ti in Ali express brand new from Gigabyte at less than 200 dollars I think it is a good price and many other cards have come down a lot.It is a good time to buy such cards for people who are willing to mine at a loss and stock up the coins for the future,and no I am not pro buying the coins as it is much harder to hold on to those coins rather than mining them little by little which is much easier to hold on.

Right now it is not a good time for mining but I have strong belief that after a couple of years we will rise again,mining is a multi million dollar industry and I think Nvidia and AMD will not lose easily such opportunity.

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Quote from: bythesea on October 22, 2022, 01:13:13 PM

Quote from: batsonxl on October 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner Grin

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

If 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, then there would be no such price reduction in the market. The demand for video cards grows only when the payback of a video card in mining is 6-12 months.
I have a lot of GTX 1060,1070,1080 and RX 470-480 video cards that have been mining for more than 5 years. The fans are broken. Chinese fans from aliexpress are of very poor quality and work for 3-4 months, so I use standard 80x80.

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Quote from: batsonxl on October 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner Grin

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

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Quote from: sp_ on October 22, 2022, 11:25:02 AM

Quote from: JayDDee on October 22, 2022, 11:10:16 AM

If true it would have been a guaranteed legal case as they were sold with full hash rate.

No. Still full hashrate with the old drivers. Iphone and Android phones has a similar behavior. Reduced performance on old devices. If you upgrade to the latest, you get the security patches and lower speed. Basically Forcing you to upgrade.

Apple fined for slowing down old iPhones
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724

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Quote from: JayDDee on October 22, 2022, 11:10:16 AM

If true it would have been a guaranteed legal case as they were sold with full hash rate.

No. Still full hashrate with the old drivers. Iphone and Android phones has a similar behavior. Reduced performance on old devices. If you upgrade to the latest, you get the security patches and lower speed. Basically Forcing you to upgrade.

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Quote from: FP91G on October 22, 2022, 07:45:43 AM

Is this true that Nvidia slowed down their older graphics card performance by giving driver update?

If true it would have been a guaranteed legal case as they were sold with full hash rate.

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Quote from: FP91G on October 22, 2022, 07:45:43 AM

Is this true that Nvidia slowed down their older graphics card performance by giving driver update?

The gtx 1070ti has dropped from 31MHASH to 28 in ETHASH. Team black miner v1.71 cuda 11.8 build. The kernel is using more than 100 registers, and around 64 on older drivers, so I guess it is fixable with some code changes..

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Quote from: swogerino on October 21, 2022, 08:40:55 AM

Quote from: FP91G on October 21, 2022, 05:12:48 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2022, 08:03:54 PM

Is this confirmed now? I haven’t downloaded the latest drivers to try but I would if this is true. Granted I’m not mining now anyway, but I’m still curious. I wonder if there have been any lawsuits filed against Nvidia for this limiting of their hardware. It seems like some legal guru out there could probably put together a decent class action lawsuit if they were bored enough. Especially now that it’s been (allegedly) unlocked since ETH mining is no longer a thing.

If you bought an LHR video card, then what claims can you have against the video card manufacturer?
The LHR limitation did not affect gaming performance, and the claims do not apply to commercial activities on video cards for home use.

Also they did not affect rendering which in theory they have should,this means that Nvidia intentionally put some trigger in it software only to detect if mining activity were going on and once found to limit the power of the card.Based on this no guru on the world can open a dispute against them and win the case because as I said in gaming performance they were performing at 100% capacity and also in rendering at least the 3060 I tested myself at work making Sketchup and Archicad renders of less than 2 seconds.The lawsuit against mining would not work as mining is not recognized yet as legal activity in many parts of the world,some like China even ban it completely.

Is this true that Nvidia slowed down their older graphics card performance by giving driver update?
https://www.quora.com/Is-this-true-that-Nvidia-slowed-down-their-older-graphics-card-performance-by-giving-driver-update
I remember a lot of discussions on this topic. Even for example, the old drivers for the GTX 1070 video card gave a larger hashrate on Ethereum than the new ones. And this is not a problem with increasing the DAG file.

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Are we miners supposed to be jubilating Grin

? Why now? Nvidia is very cruel to be honest, anyway I have a few LHR graphic cards and the latest driver removed the restriction but it doesn't matter anymore.

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Quote from: FP91G on October 21, 2022, 05:12:48 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2022, 08:03:54 PM

Is this confirmed now? I haven’t downloaded the latest drivers to try but I would if this is true. Granted I’m not mining now anyway, but I’m still curious. I wonder if there have been any lawsuits filed against Nvidia for this limiting of their hardware. It seems like some legal guru out there could probably put together a decent class action lawsuit if they were bored enough. Especially now that it’s been (allegedly) unlocked since ETH mining is no longer a thing.

If you bought an LHR video card, then what claims can you have against the video card manufacturer?
The LHR limitation did not affect gaming performance, and the claims do not apply to commercial activities on video cards for home use.

Also they did not affect rendering which in theory they have should,this means that Nvidia intentionally put some trigger in it software only to detect if mining activity were going on and once found to limit the power of the card.Based on this no guru on the world can open a dispute against them and win the case because as I said in gaming performance they were performing at 100% capacity and also in rendering at least the 3060 I tested myself at work making Sketchup and Archicad renders of less than 2 seconds.The lawsuit against mining would not work as mining is not recognized yet as legal activity in many parts of the world,some like China even ban it completely.

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