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sr. member
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Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

What the hell does "30% anonymity" even mean? Is that like being 30% pregnant?
newbie
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Hi guys,

I'm a fish here and I hardly understand all you talk about. However, I have read everysingle page of this thread and I own a few thousands (not many) NXT.
Straight to the point: what I see from the outside is that time and money is been wasted in things that are not so important. Sbdy said "better think about a good voting system now than change it later". People, we CAN'T have the best product from the beginning. Things have to appear and then you can see the problems it arises and improves it. Lots of time is being wasted in important things but without reaching a conclusion (beause it's descentralized and it's difficult...) and this is damaging NXT because it will have competitors soon plus expectatives are going down (yes, it's a long term thing, but damnit, what's the point anyway?). I suggest to decide for something fairly good for each thing (gold, aluminum? It doesn't matter now, brands can be changed, specially when they haven't been heavily promoted yet, don't talk so much about these tings that don't affect NXT performance so much) and if needed, change or improve it in the future.

Remember that the best product can never be the first one released. You need something being adapted and while community grows, NXT will be improved and reach the final stage when it will be a real product. We are trying to build the house from the roof.

On the other hand, I don't understand what you are doing with marketing. It's important to reach people massively, true. But you want to spend crazy money on things with little ROI. Take redbull for instance: they knew they couldn't go for big things because they were limited and therefore, decided to invest in LOTS of little things (all alternative sports) in order to become big and popular.

Having said that, I admit it's easy to criticise without giving clear solutions, but I'm not an expert and don't know how to do it + lack of time. But I hope that those who can make this happen will take this into consideration, either they agree or not, at least to think about this.


EDIT: I have to sy you are doing a BIIIIIIG effort and this is highly appreciated. I'm just giving my two cents to try to make it better in the only way I can.

The reason is because of a reluctance to get organized. No one will even address the possibility that it may be more efficient to communicate in dedicated threads with focused discussion rather than one thread with 50 topics floating around.
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I think 1M is a fair bounty if, and only if the following points are met:

it is made public
it is scientifically reviewed
it is easy to use, even for a noob
it is not the new NxTdice
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Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

If you want to add this, call it NxtDice and not mixing service.

Explaining this to end-users and handling the NXT-mixer-stole-my-NXT follow-ups is just too much of a chore.

sr. member
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This account was hacked. just recently got it back
Would it statistically even out if you do many transactions this way?

In the long run u would get ~100%.
Yea that's good to know.

If we would really do it like this, the mixing must not be obligatory.
legendary
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Newbie
Would it statistically even out if you do many transactions this way?

In the long run u would get ~100%.
sr. member
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This account was hacked. just recently got it back
That would be a huge step for Nxt and cryptocurrency in general though.

It's still weird that u send 10K into the mixer and get 12K back... We'll be accused that we print coins out of thin air vacuum.
That's true it is weired indeed.
Is there an approach to solve that?

Would it statistically even out if you do many transactions this way?
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Simcoin Developer
That approach is trustless, but the guy wants 1'000'000 NXT for that.



Is he going to create 1 million accounts and then forward your money to a random address, hoping it will get to one of them?

This deal smells fishy. Surely we can build something for less money, which would still be trustless. And reliable.
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1337 page!!!

have a kitty!
legendary
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That would be a huge step for Nxt and cryptocurrency in general though.

It's still weird that u send 10K into the mixer and get 12K back... We'll be accused that we print coins out of thin air vacuum.

it would be worst if he gets back 5k....they would say we steal coins.

Edit: There should be a smaller lost range.
legendary
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Newbie
That would be a huge step for Nxt and cryptocurrency in general though.

It's still weird that u send 10K into the mixer and get 12K back... We'll be accused that we print coins out of thin air vacuum.
legendary
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Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

How long will it take you to tell everyone that "100% anonymity - 100% coins back" is possible?   Wink Cheesy Grin

No idea. It's the only real offer I got. I assume that it's supposed to work similar to gambling, it could work for guys who really want anonymity but 1M is too much, IMHO.

what do u think is a fair price?
legendary
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Newbie
Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

How long will it take you to tell everyone that "100% anonymity - 100% coins back" is possible?   Wink Cheesy Grin

No idea. It's the only real offer I got. I assume that it's supposed to work similar to gambling, it could work for guys who really want anonymity but 1M is too much, IMHO.
sr. member
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This account was hacked. just recently got it back
Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

wtf?

Wow, that's even better deal than my exchange  Grin

That approach is trustless, but the guy wants 1'000'000 NXT for that.

That would be a huge step for Nxt and cryptocurrency in general though.

The 1 million Nxt would go to someone who's smart and has a stake in something he supports; win-win-win, Nxt, it's community and him.
sr. member
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Frictionlesscoin vs EvilDave:

Hey Dave, why are you still bothering with this guy?

and seriously

Why do you need to show everybody here that you are doing it? That looks like it is this thread that asks for it.

Just let him be, why do you need to annoy him. Do something better, i'm sure you can mate  Grin
legendary
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Newbie
Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

wtf?

Wow, that's even better deal than my exchange  Grin

That approach is trustless, but the guy wants 1'000'000 NXT for that.
sr. member
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S P 8 D E
more and more investors start to vent frustrations here dont you see! price is tanking!
GET a GRIP!

Welcome to my Ignore List!!!   Grin

 + to mine
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Дaвaйтe пycтим eгo пo кpyгy.

Google Translator makes it sufficiently intelligible, as it seems Wink
hero member
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Simcoin Developer
Regarding Mixing Service. Do we need such on-chain service that mixes coins with anonymity-reliability trade-off? 30% anonymity means 70% reliability to get all the coins back. Yes, it means that with 100% anonymity u could get 0% - 200% coins back.

wtf?

Wow, that's even better deal than my exchange  Grin
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