NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information - page 1675.

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Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: CIYAM on January 13, 2014, 12:21:28 PM

Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

What is the right word? I am trying to balance technical accuracy with conveying the appropriate concept to the reader.

I think "fee dividend" is probably about the best one (it conveys the idea that you get something because of your investment without the idea that that something "comes from nothing").

Yes, that is pretty good. Also due to the variability each person gets a different rate, easier to understand the rate difference if it is a dividend (which is expected to vary) as opposed to interest (which is expected to be stable)

My issue with using the term "interest" stems mainly from the fact that the paragraph starts out talking about bitcoin, and how it doesnt have interest, and how NXT does. but really its possible to mine for transaction fees in bitcoin.

I think one thing the whitepaper doesnt touch on and which may be appropriate for this particular section we are discussing is how with NX, your balance is what mines for you, not ASICS. (since you are discussing deficiencies of bitcoin)

Feel free to swipe some more material on the article that I wrote for bitcoinmagazine that still hasnt been published. https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=2&t=276

And Ive created a wiki board in forums.nxtcryto.org and also put a post in there for us to offload whitepaper discussion from this thread
https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=55&t=564

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Quote from: superresistant on January 13, 2014, 12:40:03 PM

Quote from: Bitventurer on January 13, 2014, 12:07:59 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 13, 2014, 12:07:07 PM

Quote from: Bitventurer on January 13, 2014, 12:06:23 PM

who will do it ?
Andreas M. Antonopoulos ( http://antonopoulos.com/ ) Huh

Community should find someone with a master degree in Cryptography.

that is him...
His many expertise include Bitcoin, crypto-currencies, Information Security, Cryptography, Cloud Computing, Data Centers, Linux, Open Source and robotics software development. He also has been CISSP certified for 12 years.

He is the dude.
<3 <3 <3

Indeed. Had forgotten about M. Antonopoulos. If he would agree to make the independent review, his research results would be trusted by the BTC community, though he's very busy expert.

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Quote from: Bitventurer on January 13, 2014, 12:07:59 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 13, 2014, 12:07:07 PM

Quote from: Bitventurer on January 13, 2014, 12:06:23 PM

who will do it ?

Andreas M. Antonopoulos ( http://antonopoulos.com/ ) Huh

Community should find someone with a master degree in Cryptography.

that is him...

His many expertise include Bitcoin, crypto-currencies, Information Security, Cryptography, Cloud Computing, Data Centers, Linux, Open Source and robotics software development. He also has been CISSP certified for 12 years.

Now come back to the relevant topic.

Antonopoulos is a great popularizer but I don't think he has an academic credential. I would suggest Emin Gün Sirer (or Ittay Eyal ) at hacking distributed
http://hackingdistributed.com/

He is a professor in Cornell and he has been working with Bitcoin algorithm for quite sometimes. He also wrote a paper on Bitcoin selfish mining and he will work for a bounty as he did with bitcoin. As long as he like NXT algorithm, I think we are as good as gold.

Luc should contact him for an independent review.

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Quote from: Vega on January 13, 2014, 12:47:26 PM

And this is why making this kind of jokes is not a good idea...

for real..

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Quote from: grizmoblust on January 13, 2014, 12:45:33 PM

Quote from: martismartis on January 13, 2014, 12:24:44 PM

CFB don't want to spread a fear or panic in market, he'll sell everything in steps, until 50000 block

What happens after 50,000blocks?

And this is why making this kind of jokes are not a good idea...

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Quote from: martismartis on January 13, 2014, 12:24:44 PM

CFB don't want to spread a fear or panic in market, he'll sell everything in steps, until 50000 block

What happens after 50,000blocks?

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Quote from: Bitventurer on January 13, 2014, 12:07:59 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 13, 2014, 12:07:07 PM

Quote from: Bitventurer on January 13, 2014, 12:06:23 PM

who will do it ?
Andreas M. Antonopoulos ( http://antonopoulos.com/ ) Huh

Community should find someone with a master degree in Cryptography.

that is him...
His many expertise include Bitcoin, crypto-currencies, Information Security, Cryptography, Cloud Computing, Data Centers, Linux, Open Source and robotics software development. He also has been CISSP certified for 12 years.

He is the dude.
<3 <3 <3

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Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:32:40 PM

Quote from: Ebrelus on January 13, 2014, 12:20:33 PM

Don't sell NXTs so cheap and in big amounts because you only help speculators kill Nxt rate on DGEX. Seriously, not when bitcoin is falling. This is the best way to damage community because noone will invest in it since rate can't recover. Even big stock holders aren't damaging it so much like you this way. I don't see any strategy here no HOLD action to help Nxt rate and create demand boosting community growth. When someone leaves dgex he want go back soon. Even if someone don't like dgex it will still affect price of Nxt on any other exchange in future. Kill it and u'll kill Nxt.

Warren Buffett said, “Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful”

Nxt is so young still - it is not going to reach its full price potential for a while.

These dips are good - enables more people to join and buy more Nxt - distributing more Nxt around to more people.

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Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:32:40 PM

Quote from: Ebrelus on January 13, 2014, 12:20:33 PM

Don't sell NXTs so cheap and in big amounts because you only help speculators kill Nxt rate on DGEX. Seriously, not when bitcoin is falling. This is the best way to damage community because noone will invest in it since rate can't recover. Even big stock holders aren't damaging it so much like you this way. I don't see any strategy here no HOLD action to help Nxt rate and create demand boosting community growth. When someone leaves dgex he want go back soon. Even if someone don't like dgex it will still affect price of Nxt on any other exchange in future. Kill it and u'll kill Nxt.

Warren Buffett said, “Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful”

Yep, it's a great time to buy Nxt.

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Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:16:00 PM

Quote from: mcjavar on January 13, 2014, 12:11:39 PM

Question on ripple:

I managed to deposit some nxt, but now it seems that I have no access to them..
When I put in my RippleAddress it is asking for a secret key. What is that?? Did I create a secret key=? I have noticed a secret key previously, but when I put it in there and send on Sell, nothing happens. No message, no error, nothing. That is not really userfriendly..

If you are on a Mac, I think there are some problems with direct trade page. If you use the ripple wallet directly, you don't need to put any secret key anywhere, it is already in the ripple wallet.

Just go to trade page in wallet, type in "NXT/XRP" uppercase in the dropdown. Input peercover's ripple address for issuer: ra9eZxMbJrUcgV8ui7aPc161FgrqWScQxV

Now the orderbook will appear, current bid is 2.25 XRP and ask is 2.69 XRP, about 30% above dgex prices. Kind of a hassle, but worth doing to get a bit more from selling NXT

You must have at least 30 XRP to submit an order.

I have 29.99, lol

I think ripple doesnt want me to trade there

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Quote from: Ebrelus on January 13, 2014, 12:20:33 PM

Don't sell NXTs so cheap and in big amounts because you only help speculators kill Nxt rate on DGEX. Seriously, not when bitcoin is falling. This is the best way to damage community because noone will invest in it since rate can't recover. Even big stock holders aren't damaging it so much like you this way. I don't see any strategy here no HOLD action to help Nxt rate and create demand boosting community growth. When someone leaves dgex he want go back soon. Even if someone don't like dgex it will still affect price of Nxt on any other exchange in future. Kill it and u'll kill Nxt.

Warren Buffett said, “Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful”

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Quote from: ImmortAlex on January 13, 2014, 12:26:06 PM

Quote from: Ebrelus on January 13, 2014, 12:20:33 PM

Don't sell NXTs so cheap and in big amounts because you only help speculators kill Nxt rate on DGEX. Seriously, not when bitcoin is falling. This is the best way to damage community because noone will invest in it since rate can't recover. Even big stock holders aren't damaging it so much like you this way. I don't see any strategy here no HOLD action to help Nxt rate and create demand boosting community growth. When someone leaves dgex he want go back soon. Even if someone don't like dgex it will still affect price of Nxt on any other exchange in future. Kill it and u'll kill Nxt.

If community can break only because there's no "to da moon!" action... Do we really need such kind of "community"?

We are at yuriygeorge's price point, at least on dgex.

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Quote from: Ebrelus on January 13, 2014, 12:20:33 PM

Don't sell NXTs so cheap.

Sorry, nothing personal, but I really had to laugh hard when reading this.

After two weeks of "Why is it so expensive?", the price is dropping, we have a cheap sale and now this.

I am officially baffled.

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Quote from: Ebrelus on January 13, 2014, 12:20:33 PM

Don't sell NXTs so cheap and in big amounts because you only help speculators kill Nxt rate on DGEX. Seriously, not when bitcoin is falling. This is the best way to damage community because noone will invest in it since rate can't recover. Even big stock holders aren't damaging it so much like you this way. I don't see any strategy here no HOLD action to help Nxt rate and create demand boosting community growth. When someone leaves dgex he want go back soon. Even if someone don't like dgex it will still affect price of Nxt on any other exchange in future. Kill it and u'll kill Nxt.

If community can break only because there's no "to da moon!" action... Do we really need such kind of "community"?

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 13, 2014, 12:21:28 PM

Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

What is the right word? I am trying to balance technical accuracy with conveying the appropriate concept to the reader.

I think "fee dividend" is probably about the best one (it conveys the idea that you get something because of your investment without the idea that that something "comes from nothing").

Yes, that is pretty good. Also due to the variability each person gets a different rate, easier to understand the rate difference if it is a dividend (which is expected to vary) as opposed to interest (which is expected to be stable)

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Quote from: psybits on January 13, 2014, 12:23:54 PM

Not strictly Nxt related - but you might be interested in Datacoin's in-blockchain web apps: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndatacoin-next-step-web-applications-inside-blockchain-demo-405992

Did look at that - but won't be fast enough.

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Quote from: psybits on January 13, 2014, 12:20:11 PM

Quote from: martismartis on January 13, 2014, 12:07:24 PM

Quote from: coolfish on January 13, 2014, 12:04:28 PM

Quote from: martismartis on January 13, 2014, 12:00:48 PM

I think CFB found very very critical-fatal-serious flaw in code, so he is selling all his NXT

he has 000.000.000 NXT

Flaw will appear after 50000 block

I hope so then we can all buy 1 000 000 NXT cheap Grin

CFB don't want to spread a fear or panic in market, he'll sell everything in steps, until 50000 block

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 13, 2014, 11:19:43 AM

To make things clearer (about my idea) go to http://ciyam.org/open and then imagine that the information you see was not just local to a VPS using MySQL but instead was stored "in the blockchain" (meaning that any other server with the same app could take over the functionality with the current data).

(this is the "red pill" which I hope you guys are happy to consider swallowing)

Not strictly Nxt related - but you might be interested in Datacoin's in-blockchain web apps: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndatacoin-next-step-web-applications-inside-blockchain-demo-405992

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 13, 2014, 12:06:41 PM

I'll check DGEX price to send the correct amount of NXT.

Price at dgex is falling like Niagara Falls. C-f-B, you move markets with one hand!

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Quote from: jl777 on January 13, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

What is the right word? I am trying to balance technical accuracy with conveying the appropriate concept to the reader.

I think "fee dividend" is probably about the best one (it conveys the idea that you get something because of your investment without the idea that that something "comes from nothing").

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