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legendary
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@james, you are a big nxt player for sure.

You could start using the new forum, many people have move there and start using it, you could follow the momentum at:

www.nxtforum.org

idiots he is killing nxt with his delutional mind and fantasy
Thanks mulie for your endorsement!

As fun as this has been, gotta go back to my delusions.

James
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Im waiting to hear from JLP/CfB on whether or not client signing transactions need to use SSL to communicate with VPSs.  Given that tor is eventually  compromised if some extremely harsh and strict security methods arent followed, Im interested in hearing on whether or not I should just disable SSL on all my VPSs or not.

Transactions will be visible to anyone anyway. U need SSL only for privacy.

Please expound.  Really we only need a decision made on whether or not there is benefit if infrastructure committe will pay for my VPSs' SSL certs, or if I should just disable SSL on them.

Apparently the certs that I am using, that is signed by a private CA, still causes some client-side software to fail, apparently they cannot just ignore the cert warning for some reason.

Cannot ignore it because requests are made via ajax, which is invisible to end user, and thus shows no dialog to accept the cert. Unless you have a real, non-self signed cert.
hero member
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is NXT a scam plan, like Labcoin?
Yes.
Pleae send me all of your BTC at the address below.
(or u could read some of the thread, and figure it out for yourself)
legendary
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Emule - what kind of a positive thing did you do here? You just bitch and moan. Contribute something and then be vocal.
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Im waiting to hear from JLP/CfB on whether or not client signing transactions need to use SSL to communicate with VPSs.  Given that tor is eventually  compromised if some extremely harsh and strict security methods arent followed, Im interested in hearing on whether or not I should just disable SSL on all my VPSs or not.

Transactions will be visible to anyone anyway. U need SSL only for privacy.

Please expound.  Really we only need a decision made on whether or not there is benefit if infrastructure committe will pay for my VPSs' SSL certs, or if I should just disable SSL on them.  The committe's response was "no we dont want to pay for SSL just use tor."  well I have previously laid out reasons that NXT has only partial tor support (DNS is still leaked out), plus, like I mentioned, tor is eventually compromised unless very harsh, nearly impossible security methods are taken

Apparently the certs that I am using, that is signed by a private CA, still causes some client-side software to fail, apparently they cannot just ignore the cert warning for some reason.
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 What you could do is create a sub-asset on the network that is created by miners as a secondary, inflationary token which the network will then honor in some kind of way (like to pay fees, instead of using NXT) - So the miners mine an alternative token that can be used to pay network fees, which makes it valuable without diluting NXTs value.

Could you explain how you see that as not diluting Nxt's value? What exactly is Nxt's value proposition if it's not even used to pay network fees?

Also, not sure if you've been attentive to this thread for the past few dozen pages, but you might want to man the barracks.
Having the miners mining for nodecoins instead of not being part of NXT in any way at all does not hurt NXT.
We will get people who have nodecoins. What will they do with them? Probably sell them for NXT.

sell nodecoins and buy NXT

Unlike arbitrage trading of OIL/GOLD which has a neutral effect on NXT, whenever you sell something to buy NXT, that creates upward pressure on NXT. At worst, they sell right away and we get back to neutral.

However, some miners just might HODL.

James

P.S. How often am I wrong? How often is emule right?
I wonder what is the sub-asset you can create which is something NXT can not do by itself.
legendary
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Quote
 What you could do is create a sub-asset on the network that is created by miners as a secondary, inflationary token which the network will then honor in some kind of way (like to pay fees, instead of using NXT) - So the miners mine an alternative token that can be used to pay network fees, which makes it valuable without diluting NXTs value.

Could you explain how you see that as not diluting Nxt's value? What exactly is Nxt's value proposition if it's not even used to pay network fees?

Also, not sure if you've been attentive to this thread for the past few dozen pages, but you might want to man the barracks.
Having the miners mining for nodecoins instead of not being part of NXT in any way at all does not hurt NXT.
We will get people who have nodecoins. What will they do with them? Probably sell them for NXT.

sell nodecoins and buy NXT

Unlike arbitrage trading of OIL/GOLD which has a neutral effect on NXT, whenever you sell something to buy NXT, that creates upward pressure on NXT. At worst, they sell right away and we get back to neutral.

However, some miners just might HODL.

James

P.S. How often am I wrong? How often is emule right?

You're assuming they will sell for nxt. Why would they do this? If nodecoins are used for network fees instead of nxt you have given nxt's value proposition to nodecoin. There will be positive pressure for nodecoin as it then becomes the base asset by utility. At that point, what is Nxt's value proposition?


Also, I don't think there's any danger of elmo's opinion being seen as anything near credible. No need to juxtapose.
I never proposed nodecoins be used to pay for NXT networks fees! Not sure why people get that idea.
The only thing I proposed was nodecoins be used to pay for some of my own personal server costs in running the multigateway and pool servers. Since I am issuing the nodecoins and incurring actual real world costs for the servers, I didnt think it would be out of line

James
legendary
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Im waiting to hear from JLP/CfB on whether or not client signing transactions need to use SSL to communicate with VPSs.  Given that tor is eventually  compromised if some extremely harsh and strict security methods arent followed, Im interested in hearing on whether or not I should just disable SSL on all my VPSs or not.

Transactions will be visible to anyone anyway. U need SSL only for privacy.
full member
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@Wesley sure you are busy, but you promised a update for the NxtMac-client last friday. Any progress?

I have to wait until issue with nxtcrypto.org is fixed.

Im waiting to hear from JLP/CfB on whether or not client signing transactions need to use SSL to communicate with VPSs.  Given that tor is eventually  compromised if some extremely harsh and strict security methods arent followed, Im interested in hearing on whether or not I should just disable SSL on all my VPSs or not.
hero member
Activity: 715
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@james, you are a big nxt player for sure.

You could start using the new forum, many people have move there and start using it, you could follow the momentum at:

www.nxtforum.org

idiots he is killing nxt with his delutional mind and fantasy

lol, sorry Emule, be more polite or you go on my ignore list.
sr. member
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Nxt: "The Decentralized 2nd Generation Ecoconomy"
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
@james, you are a big nxt player for sure.

You could start using the new forum, many people have move there and start using it, you could follow the momentum at:

www.nxtforum.org

idiots he is killing nxt with his delutional mind and fantasy
hero member
Activity: 715
Merit: 500
@james, you are a big nxt player for sure.

You could start using the new forum, many people have move there and start using it, you could follow the momentum at:

www.nxtforum.org

More will come if you post your project there.
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Quote
 What you could do is create a sub-asset on the network that is created by miners as a secondary, inflationary token which the network will then honor in some kind of way (like to pay fees, instead of using NXT) - So the miners mine an alternative token that can be used to pay network fees, which makes it valuable without diluting NXTs value.

Could you explain how you see that as not diluting Nxt's value? What exactly is Nxt's value proposition if it's not even used to pay network fees?

Also, not sure if you've been attentive to this thread for the past few dozen pages, but you might want to man the barracks.
Having the miners mining for nodecoins instead of not being part of NXT in any way at all does not hurt NXT.
We will get people who have nodecoins. What will they do with them? Probably sell them for NXT.

sell nodecoins and buy NXT

Unlike arbitrage trading of OIL/GOLD which has a neutral effect on NXT, whenever you sell something to buy NXT, that creates upward pressure on NXT. At worst, they sell right away and we get back to neutral.

However, some miners just might HODL.

James

P.S. How often am I wrong? How often is emule right?


You may have the honnor to be called the nxt killer.

what did you produce till now again other than pages of BS?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
Quote
 What you could do is create a sub-asset on the network that is created by miners as a secondary, inflationary token which the network will then honor in some kind of way (like to pay fees, instead of using NXT) - So the miners mine an alternative token that can be used to pay network fees, which makes it valuable without diluting NXTs value.

Could you explain how you see that as not diluting Nxt's value? What exactly is Nxt's value proposition if it's not even used to pay network fees?

Also, not sure if you've been attentive to this thread for the past few dozen pages, but you might want to man the barracks.
Having the miners mining for nodecoins instead of not being part of NXT in any way at all does not hurt NXT.
We will get people who have nodecoins. What will they do with them? Probably sell them for NXT.

sell nodecoins and buy NXT

Unlike arbitrage trading of OIL/GOLD which has a neutral effect on NXT, whenever you sell something to buy NXT, that creates upward pressure on NXT. At worst, they sell right away and we get back to neutral.

However, some miners just might HODL.

James

P.S. How often am I wrong? How often is emule right?
sr. member
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@Wesley sure you are busy, but you promised a update for the NxtMac-client last friday. Any progress?

I have to wait until issue with nxtcrypto.org is fixed.
legendary
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@Wesley sure you are busy, but you promised a update for the NxtMac-client last friday. Any progress?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
jl777,
in my estimation you are 100% correct.  If you have the ability to let people use your platform for not only your own token, but also everybody elses than that is the most utility you can provide, which will add the most value to the currency.  The gateway sounds great, how much trust are you having to retain centrally?

Have you tested the counterparty wallet, and issued a few assets?  You can issued dividends to an asset in Bitcoin, XCP or ANY USER CREATED ASSET - This is huge, it fixes the voting problem too because you can just create an arbitrary asset called 'VOTE999999", issue it as a dividend to all holders of NXT on 1 1:1 basis, and it's a one time use-it-or-lose-it issuance.

One thing I noticed is NXT asset exchange is way behind counterparty, they have dividends, callable assets, info pages for assets and other convenient or really useful abilities.


I'd really appreciate a supportive post from you on the NXT thread! That would enable me to fully realize the potential.

My design for the multigateway distributes the multisig to any three gateway servers, potentially for each account for each coin. That seems overkill, but I could make it so that three random servers are chosen for each user deposit acct to be the multisig signers. For any given withdraw, consensus needs to be reached before any of the signers will signoff. I can have the consensus pool be from all the servers, though that would be overkill as I have 180 servers.

For now, it is simpler to just have three servers doing all of this, but it is just a matter of getting all the servers setup. Also, key factor is that the servers can (should) be managed by independent gateway operators. Ideally, three competitors. That way, collusion is minimized. If only, bitcoin supported more than threeway multisig, I could increase the security.

I am just tired of all the mtgox, poloniex and now virecurex events that does nothing but erode confidence in crypto. We all lose when stuff like that happens. multigateway is my solution.

I was planning on bridging NXT AE with XCP Dex so people can transfer corresponding assets between each exchange, to wherever the best liquidity/prices are. That also gets all of XCP features added to NXT assets and all NXT features added to XCP assets. Seems like a win/win, especially since I did burn a bunch of BTC Smiley

I am also in the DRK camp and will be integrating NXTmixer and NXTcash with DRK so that people could send BTC into multigateway and via DRK send -> NXTmixer -> NXT AE -> BTC paper wallet. There would be a way to anonymously create paper wallets.

My assessment is that all of these distributed exchanges have no actual value until they are combined with external things. That is why I concentrated on the gateway functions. I can easily add most desired features on top of the NXT protocol platform layer I am writing. As you have noticed the NXT core is, well, pretty low level. NXT protocol abstracts all the NXT core details and allows people to quickly create their own NXT service.

For example, I wrote nodecoin in an afternoon and that was before I had the full NXT protocol platform layer. Dividends for assets doesnt seem like a complex function, I will add it to my list.

What other functionality is critical in your opinion? I am making half a dozen (maybe now a dozen) reference implementations of using NXT protocol.

jl777

Sounds really interesting.  Take all the functionality that XCP has available for user created assets, incentivize good wallet.dat style locally-encrypted really-crazy-impossible-to-crack-private-key options so people like me can feel safe someone won't typo into accessing our account.

I think nodecoin is a really fascinating idea, I have been thinking about this too. the real problem with mining OR forging is that only one node determines consensus, and so only one node can be rewarded.  Bitcoin at least has  a decent block reward since its a distribution mechanism, NXT does not have that.   What you could do is create a sub-asset on the network that is created by miners as a secondary, inflationary token which the network will then honor in some kind of way (like to pay fees, instead of using NXT) - So the miners mine an alternative token that can be used to pay network fees, which makes it valuable without diluting NXTs value.   If you can figure out how to do the single-transaction-pays-dividend-to-all-asset-holders problem as XCP did, you can solve the mining contentration problem and make it so people will mine even if they never hit a block because they get paid just for the effort.
Thanks for your support! I already solved the allocation of distributing prorata shares of nodecoins, but I did have to use some really controversial tech, called 64bit floating point. It is a reinforcement to forging, but could well establish its own value and market. All part of the coin development kit I am working on.

It seems everything I do is controversial. I was in the XCP thread at the beginning of luke-jr's appearance that has let to  the following post, which might be the beginning of the end of bitcoin itself!!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5851068

I kid you not. crypto is NOT a zerosum game within itself as most everybody seems to think. The zerosum game, if any is in the context of the global economy that includes all fiats and commodities. The communities that start defending their turf by creating artificial barriers, will become no better than protectionist regimes.

You can listen to me and Adam, or emule and lemonhead

James
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jl777,
in my estimation you are 100% correct.  If you have the ability to let people use your platform for not only your own token, but also everybody elses than that is the most utility you can provide, which will add the most value to the currency.  The gateway sounds great, how much trust are you having to retain centrally?

Have you tested the counterparty wallet, and issued a few assets?  You can issued dividends to an asset in Bitcoin, XCP or ANY USER CREATED ASSET - This is huge, it fixes the voting problem too because you can just create an arbitrary asset called 'VOTE999999", issue it as a dividend to all holders of NXT on 1 1:1 basis, and it's a one time use-it-or-lose-it issuance.

One thing I noticed is NXT asset exchange is way behind counterparty, they have dividends, callable assets, info pages for assets and other convenient or really useful abilities.


I'd really appreciate a supportive post from you on the NXT thread! That would enable me to fully realize the potential.

My design for the multigateway distributes the multisig to any three gateway servers, potentially for each account for each coin. That seems overkill, but I could make it so that three random servers are chosen for each user deposit acct to be the multisig signers. For any given withdraw, consensus needs to be reached before any of the signers will signoff. I can have the consensus pool be from all the servers, though that would be overkill as I have 180 servers.

For now, it is simpler to just have three servers doing all of this, but it is just a matter of getting all the servers setup. Also, key factor is that the servers can (should) be managed by independent gateway operators. Ideally, three competitors. That way, collusion is minimized. If only, bitcoin supported more than threeway multisig, I could increase the security.

I am just tired of all the mtgox, poloniex and now virecurex events that does nothing but erode confidence in crypto. We all lose when stuff like that happens. multigateway is my solution.

I was planning on bridging NXT AE with XCP Dex so people can transfer corresponding assets between each exchange, to wherever the best liquidity/prices are. That also gets all of XCP features added to NXT assets and all NXT features added to XCP assets. Seems like a win/win, especially since I did burn a bunch of BTC Smiley

I am also in the DRK camp and will be integrating NXTmixer and NXTcash with DRK so that people could send BTC into multigateway and via DRK send -> NXTmixer -> NXT AE -> BTC paper wallet. There would be a way to anonymously create paper wallets.

My assessment is that all of these distributed exchanges have no actual value until they are combined with external things. That is why I concentrated on the gateway functions. I can easily add most desired features on top of the NXT protocol platform layer I am writing. As you have noticed the NXT core is, well, pretty low level. NXT protocol abstracts all the NXT core details and allows people to quickly create their own NXT service.

For example, I wrote nodecoin in an afternoon and that was before I had the full NXT protocol platform layer. Dividends for assets doesnt seem like a complex function, I will add it to my list.

What other functionality is critical in your opinion? I am making half a dozen (maybe now a dozen) reference implementations of using NXT protocol.

jl777

Sounds really interesting.  Take all the functionality that XCP has available for user created assets, incentivize good wallet.dat style locally-encrypted really-crazy-impossible-to-crack-private-key options so people like me can feel safe someone won't typo into accessing our account.

I think nodecoin is a really fascinating idea, I have been thinking about this too. the real problem with mining OR forging is that only one node determines consensus, and so only one node can be rewarded.  Bitcoin at least has  a decent block reward since its a distribution mechanism, NXT does not have that.   What you could do is create a sub-asset on the network that is created by miners as a secondary, inflationary token which the network will then honor in some kind of way (like to pay fees, instead of using NXT) - So the miners mine an alternative token that can be used to pay network fees, which makes it valuable without diluting NXTs value.   If you can figure out how to do the single-transaction-pays-dividend-to-all-asset-holders problem as XCP did, you can solve the mining contentration problem and make it so people will mine even if they never hit a block because they get paid just for the effort.
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