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Quote from: salsacz on March 20, 2014, 12:53:26 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

Many devices do not have enough local storage to allow this.

with multiple paralel blockchains and blockchain shrinking you can

Yes. And these things exist NOW?

No they don't.

Promote things that ARE. Not things that WILL BE. This is the source of the "bait and switch" complaint that BrianNowhere expressed yesterday and was lambasted for.

Please: let's not turn Nxt marketing into the same kind of dream-land wish-list hyping that traditional marketing is.

~~Re: the Turing complete thing: is this true or not? Because I think not:~~

Quote from: salsacz on March 20, 2014, 08:09:15 AM

https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Watcher/status/446482846366969856
@jgarzik Ethereum is the best approach out there? What about NXTcoin. I recently learned NXT is also turing complete like Ripple & Ethereum.
Zobrazit překlad.

EDIT: clarified by CfB (thanks!!):

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 20, 2014, 12:54:48 PM

AT don't require scripts nor predicates, they r optional. So we lose none of the advantages of Nxt simplified processing approach.

salsacz

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Pls, build one-click Nxt app maker - a lego and build one-click altcoins-maker for Nxt

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Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:51:35 PM

You are KIDDING me. BCNext intentionally designed Nxt without scripts and predicates, and now we're adding Turing-completeness to the Nxt core?

AT don't require scripts nor predicates, they r optional. So we lose none of the advantages of Nxt simplified processing approach.

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Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

Many devices do not have enough local storage to allow this.

with multiple paralel blockchains and blockchain shrinking you can

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Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:51:35 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 20, 2014, 12:48:34 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 20, 2014, 12:42:54 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

but it is a layer on top of Nxt.

Didn't know that. Thought it would get implemented once it works.

No. This is contrary to the whole architecture of Nxt.

It's planned to be implemented as an integral part of the core.

You are KIDDING me. BCNext intentionally designed Nxt without scripts and predicates, and now we're adding Turing-completeness to the Nxt core?

afaik it is not turing-complete.

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Quote from: brooklynbtc on March 20, 2014, 12:35:13 PM

Quote from: paradigmflux on March 20, 2014, 10:28:30 AM

http://hashrate.org just paid out it's third payout. (http://hashrate.org/payouts.html)
Five miners took home over 100 NxT, two miners took home over 200 NxT and one took home over 400 NxT
Start mining for NxT today!

I got 151 yesterday, and 147 this morning. keep it up!

I am very curious about the results that are going to come from this. When somebody states "I got X NXT", could you please also state the Mhash/sec of the rig you used and how long you ran it to get the NXT?

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 20, 2014, 12:48:34 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 20, 2014, 12:42:54 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

but it is a layer on top of Nxt.

Didn't know that. Thought it would get implemented once it works.

No. This is contrary to the whole architecture of Nxt.

It's planned to be implemented as an integral part of the core.

You are KIDDING me. BCNext intentionally designed Nxt without scripts and predicates, and now we're adding Turing-completeness to the Nxt core?

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For your leisure time- A book called "Computing with Quantum Cats" by John Gribbin. Starts with Turing and goes all the way to the latest developments in Quantum Computing. Written with the lay person in mind. Interesting and enjoyable read.

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Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 20, 2014, 12:42:54 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

but it is a layer on top of Nxt.

Didn't know that. Thought it would get implemented once it works.

No. This is contrary to the whole architecture of Nxt.

It's planned to be implemented as an integral part of the core.

bitcoinpaul

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I thought there was magic involved. Like with Phasers.

joefox

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Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 20, 2014, 12:42:54 PM

Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

but it is a layer on top of Nxt.

Didn't know that. Thought it would get implemented once it works.

No. This is contrary to the whole architecture of Nxt.

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Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

but it is a layer on top of Nxt.

Didn't know that. Thought it would get implemented once it works.

joefox

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I'm all for promotion, but let's focus on facts, shall we?

Quote from: salsacz on March 20, 2014, 08:09:15 AM

https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Watcher/status/446483631565848576
@jgarzik I like about NXT that it could run its POS forging on very low end smartphones in Africa, while Bitcoin or Ethereum can't be mined.

The PoS forging mechanism is lightweight, but issues of bandwidth and disk space must also be considered. Running a node means having a copy of the blockchain. Many devices do not have enough local storage to allow this.

Quote from: salsacz on March 20, 2014, 08:09:15 AM

https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Watcher/status/446482846366969856
@jgarzik Ethereum is the best approach out there? What about NXTcoin. I recently learned NXT is also turing complete like Ripple & Ethereum.
Zobrazit překlad.

What this guy recently learned is wrong; Nxt is not Turing-complete. Nxt AT is planned to be Turing-complete, but it is a layer on top of Nxt.

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Quote from: joefox on March 20, 2014, 12:29:16 PM

Quote from: rickyjames on March 20, 2014, 04:58:27 AM

I would like for us to try and come up with a "NXT Mission Statement".

I actually think this is a fruitless exercise. A mission statement is only as good as the community/group that buys into it and lives by it. I'm a very pragmatic fella (and one hell of a socialist) but I don't think "mission statements" and "decentralized communities" mix very well.

You may very well be able to arrive at the most fantastic mission statement for Nxt imaginable, but you can never force anyone to adhere to it.

I think it is a nice exercise. And who know's what the results will be...

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AKA jefdiesel

Quote from: paradigmflux on March 20, 2014, 10:28:30 AM

http://hashrate.org just paid out it's third payout. (http://hashrate.org/payouts.html)
Five miners took home over 100 NxT, two miners took home over 200 NxT and one took home over 400 NxT
Start mining for NxT today!

I got 151 yesterday, and 147 this morning. keep it up!

joefox

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Quote from: rickyjames on March 20, 2014, 04:58:27 AM

I would like for us to try and come up with a "NXT Mission Statement".

I actually think this is a fruitless exercise. A mission statement is only as good as the community/group that buys into it and lives by it. I'm a very pragmatic fella (and one hell of a socialist) but I don't think "mission statements" and "decentralized communities" mix very well.

You may very well be able to arrive at the most fantastic mission statement for Nxt imaginable, but you can never force anyone to adhere to it.

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