Author

Topic: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information - page 2520. (Read 2761645 times)

hero member
Activity: 736
Merit: 500
i'm beginning to think there is something wrong i cant see any blocks but the original block and there are no transactions. :/ anyone else having this problem or have discovered a fix?

Do u have any connected peers in [Active peers] list? If no, check ur time/timezone is correct.
i have 13 peers active right now. still no blocks
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
i'm beginning to think there is something wrong i cant see any blocks but the original block and there are no transactions. :/ anyone else having this problem or have discovered a fix?

Do u have any connected peers in [Active peers] list? If no, check ur time/timezone is correct.
hero member
Activity: 736
Merit: 500
i'm beginning to think there is something wrong i cant see any blocks but the original block and there are no transactions. :/ anyone else having this problem or have discovered a fix?
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
Curious. How many peers do you usually have? ...  But when I send through my VPS, 100% success.
- 27 peers at the time moment. And yes, I'm sending from my VPS, too.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
- strange. I've sent 59 transactions so far, and have no such problems at all.
You should send couns only when your client is mining ("You can generate the next block in dd days hh hours mm minutes ss seconds" above the "Recent blocks [n]" vidget).

Curious. How many peers do you usually have? I've been trying to send from my local machine since the day Nxt was launched - zilch. Blocks all up to date but nothing goes through. But when I send through my VPS, 100% success. I think if you're at the fringes of your group of peers, it's really hard to send. Imagine trying to send from Invercargill or the Diego Ramirez Islands. I'm not connecting from there, but close!
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
I would donate some Nxt if it was easier to send them. With the current client it's a matter of luck to get a transaction going, so I'm waiting for a stable client.
- strange. I've sent 59 transactions so far, and have no such problems at all.
You should send couns only when your client is mining ("You can generate the next block in dd days hh hours mm minutes ss seconds" above the "Recent blocks [n]" vidget).

It's just a coincidence. U can send coins only if u unlocked an account. If u unlocked an account it will be mining (usually).
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
I would donate some Nxt if it was easier to send them. With the current client it's a matter of luck to get a transaction going, so I'm waiting for a stable client.
- strange. I've sent 59 transactions so far, and have no such problems at all.
You should send couns only when your client is mining ("You can generate the next block in dd days hh hours mm minutes ss seconds" above the "Recent blocks [n]" vidget).
hero member
Activity: 724
Merit: 500
Another thing, is what if one stakeholder feels like the others would "take care of" NXT distribution so he could hoard his? We're absolutely counting on them to distribute the coins.

I don't understand why ya'll are getting so defensive with this issue. I don't think you guys realize how dangerous this is.

I thank you for the 5000K NXT.

My stake is not high, but I would donate some Nxt if it was easier to send them. With the current client it's a matter of luck to get a transaction going, so I'm waiting for a stable client.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
Corrected my post.
legendary
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
My server crashes often coz hundreds users use it as an online wallet.

Please, install ur own client or move to other nodes, my server is a bootstrapping node and supposed to be used to connect other peers.

In a couple of days I'll block access to the web-interface.


I've unblocked my VPS ports and port-forwarded 7875 to 80, so anyone who would like to, may use mine at http://nxt.c4c.io/

Thanks a lot for your help, but in general we should not encourage people to use online client since the malicious people could easily record the secret phrase. Especially when https is not used.
legendary
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
I tried to withdraw Nxt from the exchange http://dgex.com/, but the status kept being PENDING for a long time now. Anyone succeeded in withdrawing Nxt there before? Thanks.

EDIT: it was confirmed. Thanks.
legendary
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
someone with 1mil has a 1mil/1bil chance of mining a block while someone with 100k has a 100k/1bill chance to mining a block. That is, the 1mil is ten times as likely to mine a block.

Right. Do u think it's bad?

Yes because we're not guaranteed the top stakeholders will ever use their money... see the failure that is "trickle down economics." They have too much leverage early on. Worse yet, if they wanted NXT to fail they could intentionally choose not to use their NXT... ever.

It would be different if they were initially mined like such that everyone has the same probability, as the distribution would be more spread and have a much more even decay.

I don't have access to all the NXT account balances, but if I did I would plot them on a graph. I guarantee the distribution is god awful and will be like that for a very long time. New adopters can ONLY get NXT if they buy them. It's too difficult to acquire. Stakeholders have no obligation to sell them.

I'm not trying to undermine NXT but these are SERIOUS issues that NEED to be resolved if you want NXT to have shot of becoming successful.
Amazing! You say: "if they (big stake holders) wanted NXT to fail they could intentionally choose not to use their NXT... ever."
So tell me mr. genius in that case whose loss will be more, if big stake holders try to fail NXT that way??!
Of course these big stake holders will lose more, because as by their intentional action NXT fails and loses its value, they who hold a lot of NXT will lose more. Did you understand??! I am not sure!
The same thing applies to 51% attack: in PoS coins like NXT 51% is more expensive and less logical, because 1- you need to pay and acquire 51% of the stakes to be able to attack 2-Even if you succeed, after your attack the PoS coin loses value because of the attack and insecurity, and again the attacker himself loses more, as he owns 51% of coins and they lost value. Did you understand?
I remember I donated you 5K Nxt!


Is the ad hominem really necessary?

It was a hypothetical example, the point is they control the market. It shouldn't be that one sided, period.

Another thing, is what if one stakeholder feels like the others would "take care of" NXT distribution so he could hoard his? We're absolutely counting on them to distribute the coins.

I don't understand why ya'll are getting so defensive with this issue. I don't think you guys realize how dangerous this is.

I thank you for the 5000K NXT.

I think your concern is valid.

All BTC are distributed through mining, so even a lot of BTCs are hold by the early adopters, the miners later can always get enough BTC to support the circulation.

The majority of Nxts are generated in the genesis block, and after that only a tiny part of Nxts are distributed to the miner. Even this tiny part goes back to the original holders because the PoS. So basically, people can only buy Nxt from the early adaptors.

Nonetheless, this does not mean the system definitely will fail. It's possible to reach a balance. Let's think in this way, people will only hoard when they think the price will increase. If enough people choose hoarding, and then there're no enough users and the price will drop significantly. Then those early adaptors may choose to sell at lower price until someone come to buy. In short, the market will decide the price so that there're always someone to buy and someone to sell. Certainly, the progress can be speed up a lot if more and more early adapters choose to sell and giveway in the beginning.

Moreover, the function of the system is the key. If Nxt is only used as an investment, it can hardly succeed. If the whole system is used as an decentralized exchange, then it can be adopted very quickly.
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 10
My server crashes often coz hundreds users use it as an online wallet.

Please, install ur own client or move to other nodes, my server is a bootstrapping node and supposed to be used to connect other peers.

In a couple of days I'll block access to the web-interface.


I've unblocked my VPS ports and port-forwarded 7875 to 80, so anyone who would like to, may use mine at http://nxt.c4c.io/
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
as an online wallet.
- I think not "online wallet", but rather "web-interface" to server.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
My server crashes often coz hundreds users use it as an online wallet.

Please, install ur own client or move to other nodes, my server is a bootstrapping node and supposed to be used to connect other peers.

In a couple of days I'll block access to the web-interface.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
Yes, but Bitcoin never had this big of an unequal distribution initially.
- wrong. Do you ever hear about Satoshi's BTC1mil ?
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1038
My address is: 5902325498435421768
Thanks!
- some coins sent
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
Yes, but Bitcoin never had this big of an unequal distribution initially.

When Bitcoin was first released, it was 50 coins per block every 15 minutes, roughly, right?

That means if someone mined BTC for an entire month non-stop with 100% probability of mining a block every 15 minutes, that means he would net AT MOST 146050 coins. We all know it wasn't even close to this bad.

However with NXT you straight-up handed the stakeholders millions of NXT from the get-go. They control the entire market.

Some guys own a lot of bitcoins - http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/06/22/the-bitcoin-richest-accumulating-large-balances/

Anyway, we can just guess. The time will show who was right.
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 10
someone with 1mil has a 1mil/1bil chance of mining a block while someone with 100k has a 100k/1bill chance to mining a block. That is, the 1mil is ten times as likely to mine a block.

Right. Do u think it's bad?

Yes because we're not guaranteed the top stakeholders will ever use their money... see the failure that is "trickle down economics." They have too much leverage early on. Worse yet, if they wanted NXT to fail they could intentionally choose not to use their NXT... ever.

It would be different if they were initially mined like such that everyone has the same probability, as the distribution would be more spread and have a much more even decay.

I don't have access to all the NXT account balances, but if I did I would plot them on a graph. I guarantee the distribution is god awful and will be like that for a very long time. New adopters can ONLY get NXT if they buy them. It's too difficult to acquire. Stakeholders have no obligation to sell them.

I'm not trying to undermine NXT but these are SERIOUS issues that NEED to be resolved if you want NXT to have shot of becoming successful.
Amazing! You say: "if they (big stake holders) wanted NXT to fail they could intentionally choose not to use their NXT... ever."
So tell me mr. genius in that case whose loss will be more, if big stake holders try to fail NXT that way??!
Of course these big stake holders will lose more, because as by their intentional action NXT fails and loses its value, they who hold a lot of NXT will lose more. Did you understand??! I am not sure!
The same thing applies to 51% attack: in PoS coins like NXT 51% is more expensive and less logical, because 1- you need to pay and acquire 51% of the stakes to be able to attack 2-Even if you succeed, after your attack the PoS coin loses value because of the attack and insecurity, and again the attacker himself loses more, as he owns 51% of coins and they lost value. Did you understand?
I remember I donated you 5K Nxt!


Is the ad hominem really necessary?

It was a hypothetical example, the point is they control the market. It shouldn't be that one sided, period.

Another thing, is what if one stakeholder feels like the others would "take care of" NXT distribution so he could hoard his? We're absolutely counting on them to distribute the coins.

I don't understand why ya'll are getting so defensive with this issue. I don't think you guys realize how dangerous this is.

I thank you for the 5000K NXT.
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 10
someone with 1mil has a 1mil/1bil chance of mining a block while someone with 100k has a 100k/1bill chance to mining a block. That is, the 1mil is ten times as likely to mine a block.

Right. Do u think it's bad?

Yes because we're not guaranteed the top stakeholders will ever use their money... see the failure that is "trickle down economics." They have too much leverage early on. Worse yet, if they wanted NXT to fail they could intentionally choose not to use their NXT... ever.

It would be different if they were initially mined like such that everyone has the same probability, as the distribution would be more spread and have a much more even decay.

I don't have access to all the NXT account balances, but if I did I would plot them on a graph. I guarantee the distribution is god awful and will be like that for a very long time. New adopters can ONLY get NXT if they buy them. It's too difficult to acquire. Stakeholders have no obligation to sell them.

I'm not trying to undermine NXT but these are SERIOUS issues that NEED to be resolved if you want NXT to have shot of becoming successful.

Stakeholders don't want Nxt to fail, they won't get money in this case. Bitcoin has similar problem, it's more profitable just to sit on ur bitcoins, but as u see ppl sell and buy them and everything looks fine. Practice shows that ur scenario likely not to happen.

Yes, but Bitcoin never had this big of an unequal distribution initially.

When Bitcoin was first released, it was 50 coins per block every 15 minutes, roughly, right?

That means if someone mined BTC for an entire month non-stop with 100% probability of mining a block every 15 minutes, that means he would net AT MOST 146050 coins. We all know it wasn't even close to this bad.

However with NXT you straight-up handed the stakeholders millions of NXT from the get-go. They control the entire market.
Jump to: