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legendary
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im trying to do the btc38 thing but this keeps giving me an error! wont work

* Verify Q & A:    For a
fund for your safety, please do not use as this forum login password password or QQ passwords trading market. Set a good password, please fill in the above text box "Bitcoin." After repeated an error, please refresh the page and try again.

keeps just givin little yellow x

any ideas?

支持币种:虚拟币 NXT
验证问答: 比特币

have a try again,it works.

Which of the above do I put into Verify Q & A ....I tried both but still not working  Cry
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P.S. Do you know the API for getting a token for website? I only see the decoding of token, but I need to generate one.


I got my respond:


No API is planned...
U r supposed to generate and sign it by urself.
here you can see, how it is done.

https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt-public/src/4073c21098076d3469b3f74d49e73ffabe3a2001/Nxt.java?at=master#cl-5732
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Now, Nxt-e list INK/BTC  INK/NXT




Nxt-e.com supports multiple languages supports ( ) Japanese or other language volunteers please contact us, thanks.
legendary
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I've been doing some thinking about Nxt, and would like to make a guess at the third part of BCNext's plan:

The minimum transaction fee for Nxt must be set to zero, OR (far less likely) the process of awarding fees for forging must be removed completely.

We'll see if I'm right when the next part of The Plan gets posted, but here's my argument:
  • "Value" for Nxt is derived based on the services it provides.  Many of these services are yet to be created, but are in the works: AT, NxtCash, Atomic Cross-Chain Trading, data storage, etc.  Nodes that participate in providing these services should be rewarded.
  • Treat Nxt as a "base layer" upon which other currencies, applications, and services are built.  As few constraints as possible must must be placed on these services by the Nxt core.  The first two parts of BCNext's plan hint at this: transparent forging does away with "mining" based on probability and even introduces flexible block-generation timing; "atomic" transaction types like aliases, arbitrary messages, voting, and asset exchange operations are a flexible foundation for the creation of high-level functions at layers above the Nxt core.  Contrast this with Bitcoin, which is forever constrained as a proof-of-work system with fixed block generation times, slow transaction processing, and the implementation of a "scripting language" at its base layer.
  • Just like a web page does not know anything about the network on which it sits, and the network knows nothing about the physical characteristics of the wires/fibre it runs on, all Nxt layers should be agnostic towards one another (i.e. abstracted).  As a result, a higher-layer application (such as NxtCash) has to be able to operate without dependencies on the Nxt core.  Taking this analogy further: businesses don't deploy TCP/IP networks in their IT closets for the sake of deploying networks; they do it because they want to provide a service on top of the network.  The service covers the cost of the network equipment; the equipment doesn't generate revenue on its own.  For the astute: this is basic OSI model thinking.
  • There is no automated mechanism or algorithm for adapting or scaling minimum transaction fees.  It's hard-coded.  This is an odd, hobbling flaw in an infrastructure that is otherwise so effectively decentralized and so wisely architected.

Putting these items together:

Nxt services already operate on top of nodes, so the network is secured and the blockchain is maintained as a consequence of the service's existence.  Value is created at layers above the Nxt core, and "forging-only" nodes become valueless and therefore obsolete.

Services built on top of Nxt cannot be dependent on fees "charged" at a lower layer, because eventually the accounts that operate these services will be depleted.  A depletion due to fees would kill the service associated with the depleted account(s), since it would render those services unable to generate transactions.  In fact, a network attack could be formulated by flooding a Nxt service with transactions, causing it to "go bankrupt".  The only way to allow 100% availability is to remove the dependence on a minimum transaction fee, and move the profit/reward for the service up into the same layer at which the service is offered.

I believe that one element of BCNext's plan is to set the minimum transaction fee to zero.  And now I've posted my theory here, for posterity, so that I can either be mocked for my stupidity, in the future, or praised for my intuition.
You could be right!
Now that I am writing a service on top of NXT, the 1 NXT fee makes it cost prohibitive. Even 0.1 is on the high side. For instance, I want to publish peer reviewed pricing data every block. Currently that costs 1440 NXT/day, which makes it DOA. Even at 144 NXT per day, it is not practical. At 14.4 NXT per day, I can start thinking about deploying it with hopes of getting subscribers to pay the cost. Eventually, it would be nice if the fee went to .001, .0001, etc. as low as we can go without letting the spam clog the network

James

P.S. Do you know the API for getting a token for website? I only see the decoding of token, but I need to generate one.
legendary
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Problem accessing /admin.html.
- use http://localhost:7876/admin.html

we can find answers for almost all questions by reviewing the last Jean-Luck's posts.
legendary
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** Exchange Swarm -Let's get everyone to spend just a few minutes to push Nxt forward **


Please record your results here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuputZyRQ5-5dDNCVGdRME9tVTBzVUdHb3VXTC04QWc&usp=sharing


Please contact the following exchanges and let them know why adding Nxt is a great idea.


1. Bittrex

"
Here is the reddit post, please everyone sign up at Bittrex.

Hello NXT community,

I solicited feedback on another thread about which coins we should support on our exchange before our public launch. NXT was overwhelmingly recommended.

Before we make the final decision, we're providing a special invite code for NXT users to experience our site first hand. Go to https://bittrex.com/Account/Register and use SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code. This gets you past the invite code queue. Place some trades, enabled 2FA, or try any of our other features to help us stress the site before the final launch. If you find a bug, we're handing out bug bounties as well. Having a great exchange helps us but also helps the NXT community.

If we get 100 signs ups using that code and active on our site, we'll add NXT before our public launch.

Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback, Bill"  - Msin

"Everyone remember to add SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code so we get NXT added " - Wakasaki808



2. BTC38

"+1 on this.  btc38 is a BIG DEAL in China.  It would be as big as getting on Cryptsy.  Access the link in Chrome for automatic English translation." - RickyJames

"all of us,please come here vote for Nxt to let the btc38(an exchange platform of China) add Nxt to their database.

http://www.coin38.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1672

It is a good chance for Nxt promotion.
Nxt is on the 18 floor.

edit:new user need to change the avatar first.
TKS." - allwelder

** Contact Info **

http://www.coin38.org/forum.php
[email protected]
[email protected]


3. Kraken

[email protected]


4. Bitfinex

[email protected]
[email protected]


5 mcxNow

[email protected]


6. VirWox

[email protected]


7. FxBTC

[email protected]


8. BTC-e

It's nearly impossible to get more than a 'not planned' response with BTC-e. I understand they receive quite a few coin requests each day.  If you're interested in talking about Nxt:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433283.new#new

** Updated **

9. CryptoAve

New Exchange:

https://cryptoave.com

[email protected]
[email protected]


The big deal here is they are planning on integrating merchant tools with their coin/usd pairs. Let's let them know we're interested in adding Nxt.


Heard from Bill at Bittrex, we have about 40 sign ups for Nxt users, we need 60 more.
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I've been doing some thinking about Nxt, and would like to make a guess at the third part of BCNext's plan:

The minimum transaction fee for Nxt must be set to zero, OR (far less likely) the process of awarding fees for forging must be removed completely.

We'll see if I'm right when the next part of The Plan gets posted, but here's my argument:
  • "Value" for Nxt is derived based on the services it provides.  Many of these services are yet to be created, but are in the works: AT, NxtCash, Atomic Cross-Chain Trading, data storage, etc.  Nodes that participate in providing these services should be rewarded.
  • Treat Nxt as a "base layer" upon which other currencies, applications, and services are built.  As few constraints as possible must must be placed on these services by the Nxt core.  The first two parts of BCNext's plan hint at this: transparent forging does away with "mining" based on probability and even introduces flexible block-generation timing; "atomic" transaction types like aliases, arbitrary messages, voting, and asset exchange operations are a flexible foundation for the creation of high-level functions at layers above the Nxt core.  Contrast this with Bitcoin, which is forever constrained as a proof-of-work system with fixed block generation times, slow transaction processing, and the implementation of a "scripting language" at its base layer.
  • Just like a web page does not know anything about the network on which it sits, and the network knows nothing about the physical characteristics of the wires/fibre it runs on, all Nxt layers should be agnostic towards one another (i.e. abstracted).  As a result, a higher-layer application (such as NxtCash) has to be able to operate without dependencies on the Nxt core.  Taking this analogy further: businesses don't deploy TCP/IP networks in their IT closets for the sake of deploying networks; they do it because they want to provide a service on top of the network.  The service covers the cost of the network equipment; the equipment doesn't generate revenue on its own.  For the astute: this is basic OSI model thinking.
  • There is no automated mechanism or algorithm for adapting or scaling minimum transaction fees.  It's hard-coded.  This is an odd, hobbling flaw in an infrastructure that is otherwise so effectively decentralized and so wisely architected.

Putting these items together:

Nxt services already operate on top of nodes, so the network is secured and the blockchain is maintained as a consequence of the service's existence.  Value is created at layers above the Nxt core, and "forging-only" nodes become valueless and therefore obsolete.

Services built on top of Nxt cannot be dependent on fees "charged" at a lower layer, because eventually the accounts that operate these services will be depleted.  A depletion due to fees would kill the service associated with the depleted account(s), since it would render those services unable to generate transactions.  In fact, a network attack could be formulated by flooding a Nxt service with transactions, causing it to "go bankrupt".  The only way to allow 100% availability is to remove the dependence on a minimum transaction fee, and move the profit/reward for the service up into the same layer at which the service is offered.

I believe that one element of BCNext's plan is to set the minimum transaction fee to zero.  And now I've posted my theory here, for posterity, so that I can either be mocked for my stupidity, in the future, or praised for my intuition.
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I've done some cleanup and created a wiki page for Nxt Site Integration.

It combines all of the existing how-to guides into one spot, and it's linked from the main page of the wiki as well as the "how-to" guides page.  

Information has been updated to reflect the Google doc posted earlier today, and the correction suggested by CfB, related to not re-using sendMoney before verifying that the original transaction has not been altered, has been made.

Finally, for all would-be wiki folks: if you want to contribute, follow these instructions to get set up.  The wiki is intentionally moderated to prevent vandalism & spam, AND to facilitate language translations.  No request (from a real human) for edit access has ever been denied.

right, just seen this

though, shall we keep http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/How-To:Automate_Nxt_for_your_website as well?!
I don't think we have any section for that page, only direct link.
legendary
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I've done some cleanup and created a wiki page for Nxt Site Integration.

It combines all of the existing how-to guides into one spot, and it's linked from the main page of the wiki as well as the "how-to" guides page. 

Information has been updated to reflect the Google doc posted earlier today, and the correction suggested by CfB, related to not re-using sendMoney before verifying that the original transaction has not been altered, has been made.

Finally, for all would-be wiki folks: if you want to contribute, follow these instructions to get set up.  The wiki is intentionally moderated to prevent vandalism & spam, AND to facilitate language translations.  No request (from a real human) for edit access has ever been denied.

Thanks for doing this.
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Now, Nxt-e list INK/BTC  INK/NXT  [FLAPPY/NXT]




https://Nxt-e.com supports multiple languages ( ) Japanese or other language volunteers please contact us, thanks.


nxt-e.com deposit BTC LTC NXT, and get 400 flappy for free
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updated and fixed formatting....

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/How-To:Automate_Nxt_for_your_website

please do let us know if there is something need fixing.

cfb, added warning as mentioned.

Eadeqa, thanks for starting the page.

joefox, thanks for edit permission!
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Now, Nxt-e list INK/BTC  INK/NXT
TM
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The point that is being made here is that the Nxt faucet isn't going to be enough for you to "forge" in any reasonable time frame.  If you want to forge 1 block every couple of days, you need to have about 100,000 Nxt -- an investment of about $6000USD at current rates.

The "mining" culture that you appear to come from is not applicable to Nxt.  It's a totally different animal, and mining (AKA forging) doesn't work the same way.  It's far more smart to BUY some Nxt and trade it, if you're in it for profit.

I can't help "debug" why you didn't get coins from the faucet because you didn't supply very much information.  What is your account number?  We can check to see if a transaction was sent from the faucet, at least.

OK thanks for clearing that up.   NXT accnt:  905231094469761347

Ill check out FAQ on wiki too.

sr. member
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Is anyone else having this error with 8.0e and windows?

C:\>"C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe" -Xmx1024M -cp nxt.jar:lib/*:conf nxt.Nxt
Error: Could not find or load main class nxt.Nxt



I think you may have a couple of typos. Here is what works for me:

"c:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe"  -Xmx1024M -cp nxt.jar;lib\*;conf nxt.Nxt

Notice the semicolons instead of colons and the and the direction of the final slash.

 
legendary
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NXT FUNDING COMMITTEE VOTE IS COMING MARCH 1

Eligible nominees:

^[GS]^, 2Kool4Skewl, abuelau, Allwelder , Anon136
Arckam_(frmelin), bitcoinpaul, bloodyrookie, brooklynbtc, buybitcoinscanada
Chanc3r, ChuckOne, CIYAM Open, Cointropolis_JustabitTime, Come-from-Beyond
Damelon, davethetrousers, drevil, EmoneyRu, EvilDave
ferment, Fry, hughmanwho, Jean-Luc, brooklynbtc
jl777, Joefox, Kattywampus, Klee, l8orre
landomata,laowai80, Mario123, msin, mww
nextern, opticalcarrier, Pandaisftw, Passion_ltc, PeercoinEnthusiast
pinarello, Pouncer, rickyjames, Ricot, salsacz
SecondLeo, smaragda, Asian Prepper, TwinWinNerD, Uniqueorn
Utopianfuture, VanBreuk, Wesleyh, Zahlen, ZeroTheGreat


If you are on this list and want to be on a NXT funding committee, go here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5280476

Background:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5280786

Good luck to these nominees who have declared themselves candidates:


NXTmarketingfund: allwelder, Damelon,  Mario123, Asian Prepper
NXTtechdevfund: EmoneyRu
NXTinfrastructurefund: rickyjames


Yeah, you may have seen this before.  I'll be putting it up every ten pages or so.

I posted
newbie
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Is anyone else having this error with 8.0e and windows?

C:\>"C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe" -Xmx1024M -cp nxt.jar:lib/*:conf nxt.Nxt
Error: Could not find or load main class nxt.Nxt

full member
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You are not being explicit.  "Aiming for 100k" ...how?  In what way?  I have a mining rigs currently and have no problem with setting those up for ltc rpc btc...   but instructructions on youtube or even here on this site have lead me my issue above.  Please see my initial post about the above issue...

The point that is being made here is that the Nxt faucet isn't going to be enough for you to "forge" in any reasonable time frame.  If you want to forge 1 block every couple of days, you need to have about 100,000 Nxt -- an investment of about $6000USD at current rates.

The "mining" culture that you appear to come from is not applicable to Nxt.  It's a totally different animal, and mining (AKA forging) doesn't work the same way.  It's far more smart to BUY some Nxt and trade it, if you're in it for profit.

I can't help "debug" why you didn't get coins from the faucet because you didn't supply very much information.  What is your account number?  We can check to see if a transaction was sent from the faucet, at least.

Finally, I recommend you read the FAQ on the wiki!
TM
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Quote from: TM on Today at 03:22:05 AM
OK so i goto this site to start "foraging" ntx --->  http://nxtra.org/faucet/  It asks for an email and my account number that was created by downloading NRS 0.7.5.

I waited 14 hours and still havn't recieve one coin let alone 1-4 as promised on the above site.

I try again to put in my accnt and email at nxtra.org/faucet/ and I get an invalid request error...

Anyone know whats up with this as it takes at least one coin to begin the foraging process if i understand this correctly...

You probably should be aiming for about 100k before 'forging' anything. Even if you don't get that much, it's really a civic duty to support the NXT network.

You are not being explicit.  "Aiming for 100k" ...how?  In what way?  I have a mining rigs currently and have no problem with setting those up for ltc rpc btc...   but instructructions on youtube or even here on this site have lead me my issue above.  Please see my initial post about the above issue...
hero member
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Hmm,

"HTTP ERROR: 404

Problem accessing /admin.html. Reason:

Not Found"

What info'd I provide?
sr. member
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OK so i goto this site to start "foraging" ntx --->  http://nxtra.org/faucet/  It asks for an email and my account number that was created by downloading NRS 0.7.5.  

I waited 14 hours and still havn't recieve one coin let alone 1-4 as promised on the above site.

I try again to put in my accnt and email at nxtra.org/faucet/ and I get an invalid request error...

Anyone know whats up with this as it takes at least one coin to begin the foraging process if i understand this correctly...

You probably should be aiming for about 100k NXT before hoping to 'forge' anything. Even if you don't get that much, it's really a civic duty to support the NXT network.
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