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legendary
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Woah, woah, woah.  I want to call a time out here for a few pages.

I'm not trying to be the Grinch here, but I STRONGLY think we've got to get a better handle on this whole process before we just start handing out NXT left and right to ANYBODY. 

The infrastructure spending thread has been open for all of about 36 hours.  Already we've got 9 projects in the queue and only 23 posts in the thread - less than 3 per project.  There is NO WAY we have given the proper amount of deliberation to what is being proposed here.   And a vote is being called for already if we haven't achieved agreement as a committee? 

Um...what's wrong with this picture?

I am a big believer in spreadsheets to collect all the data in one place and if ever there was a need for them, it's right now.   We need to generate a standard spreadsheet listing who is asking, what their project is, how much they want, and a link to a thread that talks about their individual project.  Just for starters.

We need to establish a rule that nobody gets a vote on their project for at least a week after they've proposed it to avoid the exact kind of rush to judgement that is happening here.  I would personally prefer at least two weeks, but I don't want anybody to think I'm TOTALLY crazy...

I also sort of thought there was gonna be some kind of vetting of people putting their names down for committees, where they would have to put in at least one post describing why they thought they were qualified to serve on a committee, what they wanted to accomplish there, blah blah blah, and um....we might actually VOTE IN A POLL to pick the top 5?

Instead it's just put your name down as a candidate and you're in?  On as many committees as you want?

So how is voting for funding going to work in a group of people like THAT?

Hey, I'm all for rapid progress but we've got to establish some kind of initial setup and standards here and PACE OURSELVES FOR THE LONG GAME or this bounty of NXT is going to be gone in a FLASH.

I say forget about voting NXT out of the treasury for at least a few more days and lets go back to setting up the committees themselves and the "paperwork" that defines the process we are about to embark upon..

 Grin
Was wondering when this would come.

Agreed, of course Smiley
Someone already proposed subforums and separate threads for each project to facilitate discussions.
That seems like a good idea, so the to be formed committees have an easier time of it.

The run up period will also give the projects now in the threads time to gather material to present to the committees to support their claim for funds.
That's what normally happens when you apply for funds and I see no reason why we shouldn't do it the same way.

legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1004
Dev Response Requested

As I've mentioned prior, CoinPayments is working on adding Nxt to their offering. Please help me address this question:

"I've been working on NXT some more today and looking at this page
http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Handling_deposits it sounds like
transactions aren't really "safe" and can disappear until they get 720
confirms (~12 hours). Is that right?"

Yes, this is right. The same in Bitcoin.
means difficult to come true instant transaction ?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 260

How do i visually know that my account will stay unlocked? The server window doesnt show any information that had anything to do with accounts? Probably for security reasons, but id like some way of knowing that forging is going on in the background.

There's the "getState" command, that shows you how many unlocked accounts your NRS instance has, among other things:

Code:
http://localhost:7874/nxt?requestType=getState

...but there's no forging indicator. Devs: How about adding a command that returns the unlocked accounts plus if they're forging or not? Something like

Code:
?requestType=getForgingStatus

That would return something like

 
Code:
[ {"account" : "..." , forging: true}, {"account" : "..." , forging: false}, ... ]
sr. member
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Merit: 250

I am still waiting for 1440 confirmations, and that brings up another question. That should take about two days right? In the local view of my transactions it shows the 10+ next to confirmations (i realize that it will show this as the confirmations continue to grow) and after two days it should hit about 1440.

The thing i dont understand is the blockchain explorer, it only shows 4 confirmations for the transaction and its been a day and a half. What does that mean?

hover over the 10+ and you'll see the exact number.
alternatively you can use http://localhost:7874/nxt?requestType=getTransaction&transaction=[your transaction number]

I believe this is a bug of the blockchain explorer, transaction confirmations sometimes get stuck.

Also try block explorer at http://www.mynxt.info/blockexplorer/
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1010
Newbie
Dev Response Requested

As I've mentioned prior, CoinPayments is working on adding Nxt to their offering. Please help me address this question:

"I've been working on NXT some more today and looking at this page
http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Handling_deposits it sounds like
transactions aren't really "safe" and can disappear until they get 720
confirms (~12 hours). Is that right?"

Yes, this is right. The same in Bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1002

I am still waiting for 1440 confirmations, and that brings up another question. That should take about two days right? In the local view of my transactions it shows the 10+ next to confirmations (i realize that it will show this as the confirmations continue to grow) and after two days it should hit about 1440.

The thing i dont understand is the blockchain explorer, it only shows 4 confirmations for the transaction and its been a day and a half. What does that mean?

hover over the 10+ and you'll see the exact number.
alternatively you can use http://localhost:7874/nxt?requestType=getTransaction&transaction=[your transaction number]

I believe this is a bug of the blockchain explorer, transaction confirmations sometimes get stuck.
full member
Activity: 266
Merit: 100
NXT is the future
I want to make one more point here as an official NXT treasurer.  Those NXT fund spreadsheets in my sig currently document THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS of assets.  This is with the NXT price apparently still being held down by a whale doing a slow selloff of his funds, with NXT still on the launchpad instead of blasting off for da moon.  In a matter of weeks or a few months we could literally be in control of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF NXT.   This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE responsibility.  Disbursing these assets is not like peeling off a five out of your wallet at McDonalds.  There has got to be a CHAIN OF COMMAND.  The treasurer has got to receive clear, unambiguous, and documented authorization to disburse from a SPECIFIC DESIGNATED SPENDING AUTHORITY that everybody acknowledges. 

It's not as big a deal as making sure you've got Presidential authorization to turn that key in a nuke sub....but I'm treating it that way.  Would you rather have a treasurer who didn't?


I totally agree.
full member
Activity: 266
Merit: 100
NXT is the future


Woah, woah, woah.  I want to call a time out here for a few pages.

I'm not trying to be the Grinch here, but I STRONGLY think we've got to get a better handle on this whole process before we just start handing out NXT left and right to ANYBODY. 

The infrastructure spending thread has been open for all of about 36 hours.  Already we've got 9 projects in the queue and only 23 posts in the thread - less than 3 per project.  There is NO WAY we have given the proper amount of deliberation to what is being proposed here.   And a vote is being called for already if we haven't achieved agreement as a committee? 

Um...what's wrong with this picture?

I am a big believer in spreadsheets to collect all the data in one place and if ever there was a need for them, it's right now.   We need to generate a standard spreadsheet listing who is asking, what their project is, how much they want, and a link to a thread that talks about their individual project.  Just for starters.

We need to establish a rule that nobody gets a vote on their project for at least a week after they've proposed it to avoid the exact kind of rush to judgement that is happening here.  I would personally prefer at least two weeks, but I don't want anybody to think I'm TOTALLY crazy...

I also sort of thought there was gonna be some kind of vetting of people putting their names down for committees, where they would have to put in at least one post describing why they thought they were qualified to serve on a committee, what they wanted to accomplish there, blah blah blah, and um....we might actually VOTE IN A POLL to pick the top 5?

Instead it's just put your name down as a candidate and you're in?  On as many committees as you want?

So how is voting for funding going to work in a group of people like THAT?

Hey, I'm all for rapid progress but we've got to establish some kind of initial setup and standards here and PACE OURSELVES FOR THE LONG GAME or this bounty of NXT is going to be gone in a FLASH.

I say forget about voting NXT out of the treasury for at least a few more days and lets go back to setting up the committees themselves and the "paperwork" that defines the process we are about to embark upon..



no problem, I understand, but at least there is some kind of reaction.

sr. member
Activity: 258
Merit: 250
This is from the faq on the wiki.

Quote
Do I have to leave the client open in order to forge coins?
No.  Once your server is running, simply leave your account "unlocked", and then you can close your web browser.
How do i visually know that my account will stay unlocked? The server window doesnt show any information that had anything to do with accounts? Probably for security reasons, but id like some way of knowing that forging is going on in the background.

I am still waiting for 1440 confirmations, and that brings up another question. That should take about two days right? In the local view of my transactions it shows the 10+ next to confirmations (i realize that it will show this as the confirmations continue to grow) and after two days it should hit about 1440.

The thing i dont understand is the blockchain explorer, it only shows 4 confirmations for the transaction and its been a day and a half. What does that mean?
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
Frictionlesscoin is scamming again.

Now, he wants one million Nxt.

Flood his thread with "SCAM" replies.
legendary
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Merit: 1010
Newbie
member
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Cryptosaur's dev
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
DO NOT PAY ANY MONEY TO HAVE NXT LISTED ON AN EXCHANGE!

THIS IS A MOVEMENT ABOUT FREEDOM FROM UNETHICAL PRACTICES!

NXT CAN STAND ON ITS OWN!

Sometimes, we have to push things a little bit. But this "pay to be on exchange" smells a little fishy, yes.

Ethics come first.
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1038
Maybe I should just disable debug logging by default, it only makes people think something is wrong. The intention was to make it easier to follow what is going on with the block and transaction processing, in the cases where something does go wrong.
- or maybe just change messages's format from "DEBUG: Block 6489.........." to less disturbing "INFO: Block 6489.........."  ...
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
DO NOT PAY ANY MONEY TO HAVE NXT LISTED ON AN EXCHANGE!

THIS IS A MOVEMENT ABOUT FREEDOM FROM UNETHICAL PRACTICES!

NXT CAN STAND ON ITS OWN!

Sometimes, we have to push things a little bit. But this "pay to be on exchange" smells a little fishy, yes.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1005
Just to inform, 0.7.6 runs smoothly on Android TV stick public node.

For a while Smiley

Picuntu? Please share hardware and software information, I am VERY interested... I bricked a stick for this...

Ubuntu 13.10 in Android, TV stick with RK3066 chip

Would you be willing to do a how-to write up on the wiki?

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/How-To



Reposting from my previous post:

OK, here we go. Small tutorial on running NRS in Android TV stick.

Tested on Android TV stick, running 4.2.2, RK3006 Rockchip, internal sdcard.

1. Stick has to be rooted.

2. install Complete Linux Installer from app store https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid

3. Go through all steps as it on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b17Bfza1X3A. I used small 13.10 image, because I installed it in internal sdcard. Extracted it takes 2GB. Important: use ext2.zip files if your android is less than 4.3 and you download them manually from http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxonandroid/files/Ubuntu/13.10/

4. If you did everything as instructed, you should see Ubuntu running on your device. Install java. Important: install oracle java

5. Now copy Your next folder to your desktop folder in ubuntu

6. goto to nxt folder, open terminal window in this folder, type java -jar start.jar and here we go!!!

7. Now you can use chrome browser in android (no need is to have one in ubuntu) and check everything is working.

Didn't try on other android devices, but I think it should work on any android device.

Ask if you will stuck at some moment (i stuck 10 times in 3 days Smiley), I'll try to help. 20 years ago I was a coder, but now I'm not so tech guy, but I'll try the best.

Next stage by myself is to run NRS on my smartphone and later on refrigerator Smiley So grab your tablets, smartphones, sticks and, instead of talking about voting, global warming and where to spend 10M NXT, run NRS on them Smiley


Finally, if You like my work, there is account for donations: 4552966463117743023  Smiley It took for me 3 days and 6 bottles of wine Smiley

Martis


Somebody should try to go through this and post results. I'm not native english speaker, so it would be difficult for my to write how-to. But, if nobody will do this, I can try Smiley
sr. member
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Whoops,

we just got pushed back to second place by Teslacoin

https://www.mintpal.com/voting

Unregistered users = 3 votes per hour!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE VOTE! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Registered users = 6 votes per hour!


Please quote me, share on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit... thanks!


BUY VOTES FOR NXT!

1 VOTE = 0,00005 BTC
1 BTC = 20,000 VOTES FOR NXT

Website: https://www.mintpal.com/voting
How to? Send any BTC to 1KB2AWLpKByBifkyQLJERhZi4jVDGWMA4n

Each 0.00005000 BTC received will count for 1 vote. All payment votes will be publicly visible, as you can see by clicking here.



DO NOT PAY ANY MONEY TO HAVE NXT LISTED ON AN EXCHANGE!

THIS IS A MOVEMENT ABOUT FREEDOM FROM UNETHICAL PRACTICES!

NXT CAN STAND ON ITS OWN!
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Quote from: Zahlen
The world's first pizza sold for crypto$ through an AE!

(Worldwide delivery within 60 mins, piping hot or a 2nd pizza free Grin)

I got pizza for you.. worldwide delivery, i dunno

This will be the future of pizza delivery.
hero member
Activity: 808
Merit: 1011
Whoops,

we just got pushed back to second place by Teslacoin

https://www.mintpal.com/voting

Unregistered users = 3 votes per hour!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE VOTE! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Registered users = 6 votes per hour!


Please quote me, share on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit... thanks!


BUY VOTES FOR NXT!

1 VOTE = 0,00005 BTC
1 BTC = 20,000 VOTES FOR NXT

Website: https://www.mintpal.com/voting
How to? Send any BTC to 1KB2AWLpKByBifkyQLJERhZi4jVDGWMA4n

Each 0.00005000 BTC received will count for 1 vote. All payment votes will be publicly visible, as you can see by clicking here.

legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1000
I want to make one more point here as an official NXT treasurer.  Those NXT fund spreadsheets in my sig currently document THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS of assets.  This is with the NXT price apparently still being held down by a whale doing a slow selloff of his funds, with NXT still on the launchpad instead of blasting off for da moon.  In a matter of weeks or a few months we could literally be in control of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF NXT.   This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE responsibility.  Disbursing these assets is not like peeling off a five out of your wallet at McDonalds.  There has got to be a CHAIN OF COMMAND.  The treasurer has got to receive clear, unambiguous, and documented authorization to disburse from a SPECIFIC DESIGNATED SPENDING AUTHORITY that everybody acknowledges.  

It's not as big a deal as making sure you've got Presidential authorization to turn that key in a nuke sub....but I'm treating it that way.  Would you rather have a treasurer who didn't?


+100

+100

This is very very very important, we need to keep a firm hold on the spending of these funds.

Ricky is right this is one (BUT IMPORTANT) process that most be centralized...preferably in very strong hands.

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