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Topic: NXT, the ultimate SCAM, will it die because of 100% pre-mine given to 50 people? - page 11. (Read 15024 times)

legendary
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I do like some of the ideas and development behind NXT. Unfortunately, I tend to think the 100% premine/IPO model is very problematic for distribution.
It's a catastrophe. NXT has created a false illusion of non existent liquidity. Even the coins are are being mined aren't really well distributed, a fully premined coin is much worse.  

Source? How is this possible in an open market with a transparent blockchain?
How can you fairly distribute it?
NXT volume is the past 24 hours is only $ 167,700.
hero member
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You lying hypocritical NEMer, there are no proven cases of sockpuppets in Nxt IPO, unllike NEM. You're just another dishonest NEMer, like your phony leader UtopianFuture. STFU, can't wait for alpha release on June 25, when NEM is finally exposed as the insignificant, fraudulent, envy- and greed-based movement it is.
Even more, why the hell would've anyone use sockpuppets in Nxt IPO? IPOs got popular and "hope to get rich" investments, in the wake of Nxt success. None could've predicted this will be an even remotely good investment, who wants to play restrictions when buying a lottery ticket?

An other thing, that I wanted to point out for a while. Nxt wasn't really an IPO, at least not in intent. BCNext simply needed to give away all coins at once, and this was what looked like an easy distribution method.
Read the original thread, it's very clear.
Of course it was a flawed idea, this is why most IPOs after Nxt tried different variations of distribution.
hero member
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There's still NEM which has over 1000 veteran accounts, as well as taint analysis - probably 2500+ real people in it.

What people forget about NxT is that it was an obscure IPO and there was no taint analysis to weed out socks.  Maybe only 73 people invested but only 20 invested the full amount (1.5 BTC) and those 20 wallets was probably 5 people with sockpuppets (so there are NxT whales with $8+ million as we speak.  They only get wealthier when NxT goes up in value).

If NxT hit $5 billion then there would be new billionaires on this planet, true story.


The maximum was 1 BTC and was intended to limit the number of sock puppets, not eliminate then. $1500 will get around 20,000 Nxt.

Why does it matter, do you believe there are only 73 people using Nxt now?

20,000 NxT vs 50 to 300 million owned by a NxT whale.

NxT community is large but it's smaller today than it was back in January, NxT has been dying a slow death since January.  Nobody wants to buy a scam whale coin.

Check out nxtforum.org to see how Nxt has been dying these past few months: Asset Exchange, testing decentralised crypto to crytpo trading (Multisig), Turing complete Automated Transaction in final testing (before Ethereum has even got on the starting grid), physical wallets, account control to stop thefts (you can lock your account), Monetary system to allow a POW or POS coin to be built on top of Nxt... I can go on but take a look yourself.

If you believe that these projects will give Nxt value over the long term, why concern yourself with anything else?
hero member
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There's still NEM which has over 1000 veteran accounts, as well as taint analysis - probably 2500+ real people in it.

What people forget about NxT is that it was an obscure IPO and there was no taint analysis to weed out socks.  Maybe only 73 people invested but only 20 invested the full amount (1.5 BTC) and those 20 wallets was probably 5 people with sockpuppets (so there are NxT whales with $8+ million as we speak.  They only get wealthier when NxT goes up in value).

If NxT hit $5 billion then there would be new billionaires on this planet, true story.


The maximum was 1 BTC and was intended to limit the number of sock puppets, not eliminate then. $1500 will get around 20,000 Nxt.

Why does it matter, do you believe there are only 73 people using Nxt now?

20,000 NxT vs 50 to 300 million owned by a NxT whale.

NxT community is large but it's smaller today than it was back in January, NxT has been dying a slow death since January.  Nobody wants to buy a scam whale coin.
hero member
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There's still NEM which has over 1000 veteran accounts, as well as taint analysis - probably 2500+ real people in it.

What people forget about NxT is that it was an obscure IPO and there was no taint analysis to weed out socks.  Maybe only 73 people invested but only 20 invested the full amount (1.5 BTC) and those 20 wallets was probably 5 people with sockpuppets (so there are NxT whales with $8+ million as we speak.  They only get wealthier when NxT goes up in value).

If NxT hit $5 billion then there would be new billionaires on this planet, true story.


The maximum was 1 BTC and was intended to limit the number of sock puppets, not eliminate then. $1500 will get around 20,000 Nxt.

Why does it matter, do you believe there are only 73 people using Nxt now?
hero member
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There's still NEM which has over 1000 veteran accounts, as well as taint analysis - probably 2500+ real people in it.  You can still get a stake at around $1500 whereas $1500 won't buy squat in NxT.

What people forget about NxT is that it was an obscure IPO and there was no taint analysis to weed out socks.  Maybe only 73 wallets invested but only 20 wallets invested the full amount (1.5 BTC) and those 20 wallets was probably 5 people with sockpuppets (so there are NxT whales with $8+ million as we speak.  They only get wealthier when NxT goes up in value).

If NxT hit $5 billion then there would be new billionaires on this planet, true story.  Easiest billions ever made in human history.
hero member
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I do like some of the ideas and development behind NXT. Unfortunately, I tend to think the 100% premine/IPO model is very problematic for distribution.
It's a catastrophe. NXT has created a false illusion of non existent liquidity. Even the coins are are being mined aren't really well distributed, a fully premined coin is much worse.  

Source? How is this possible in an open market with a transparent blockchain?
legendary
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Terminated.
I do like some of the ideas and development behind NXT. Unfortunately, I tend to think the 100% premine/IPO model is very problematic for distribution.
It's a catastrophe. NXT has created a false illusion of non existent liquidity. Even the coins are are being mined aren't really well distributed, a fully premined coin is much worse. 
sr. member
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It will die eventually but it will take some time before all the gullible noobs have been scammed out of their bitcoins

hero member
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legendary
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DOGE has more volume and usefulness than NXT which is a 100% insta-mine scam.

What garbage you post.

For a start, regarding liquidity, the bulk of liquidity in the NXT market does not occur on exchanges. Traders have been buying huge volumes off exchange, then they in turn trade that off exchange and so on. Only the small trades occur on exchanges which is why it looks like a low liquidity market but in fact isn't. Remember that because NXT was so different from classic cryptos, it took the exchanges a while to get hooked up to its block chain. In the meantime a large off-exchange market developed where the really big numbers were / are traded - not least the original distributions.

Secondly, you seem to make up your own definitions of "scam" which basically amounts to "people making too much money" in your book. If that's the case just stay out of the market. I don't consider it a scam because I've doubled my money since I bought and also recouped my investment at the same time. Many people who invested did the same. So I ask you again - who exactly is being scammed here ? It's a scam if you pay money for something of no market value. But if you pay money for something which DOES have a market value that's sustained and increasing then it's not a scam. Simple as that. So it would appear that neither the primary (on exchange) nor secondary (off exchange large volume) markets agree with you.

Thirdly, regarding  the points about mining, you're basically mixing two completely different approaches to distribution and getting your knickers in a twist. There's nothing more or less ethical about either - you just pays your money and takes your choice. Again, the markets ultimately decide what valuation to put on each and if you want to argue with that then feel free - but that's what investing is generally about: "Market Value"  Wink

hero member
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Lets remember history for a moment.

NXT says scamming is okay -

Fairness is one of the most important factors, if not THE most important factor, for the viability of any crypto coin.

Unfortunately, NXT got it wrong.


fairness is a fake concept which has no place in capitalism

if u dont know this then u are delusional.  there is no fair cryptocurrency, this is hyprocite talk

look at bitcon its the worst obviously. fairness is such a joke anyway. there is no such thing as fairness in this world

Thank you for admitting that NXT is a scam - see this is the mentality of NXT and people behind it.

People who made NXT believe and support scamming.

Fairness is what separates men from animals and the 1st world from the 3rd world.

Fairness and empathy are what make us human.

NXT is inhumane, as proven by the poster above by his support and admission that NXT is a scam, even defending NXT's right to scam you.



ROFL the Quote of mine was never about Nxt xD

U are such a joke, are u frictionlesscoin's dog? xD
hero member
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1) Nxt's IPO was open to investors. But the demand was low, because the Coin was not known => Low number of investors.

It's more than that. Some guy opened a thread and said he is releasing a coin with totaly new code. Send him money, to get some of the new coint.
Scam accusations were flying, or the whole thing was simply ignored. Because who ever heart of a stupid thing like this? Who would believe it?

Then came Nxt, and made a shitload of profit for those who believed. Since then IPOs, and coins with new code suddently become commonplace, and popular, because everyone wants to get lucky.

But everyone have to remember, Nxt initial distribution is as it is, because it was new, extremely high risk, and most people ignored it. For two months. And now they really need to shut up about it, and look forward.
full member
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haha this thread. People who will do their own research will find out:

1) Nxt's IPO was open to investors. But the demand was low, because the Coin was not known => Low number of investors.
2) The whole concept of Nxt is that there is no mining and that all coins are distributed, this is not good or bad, its just a different way to to things.
3) After downloading the wallet, people will see what Nxt has to offer.


Anyway, OP thanks. More people will check out Nxt and will find out that you have no clue Wink
sr. member
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I think doge shot itself in the foot by not hard capping/over printing at this stage....and the leader was a bit of a dick to Coblee

NXT has great attributes but screwed distribution.

LTC has a dwindling use case.

BTC nears 51%....wogatami and friends are funding a solution to this.

NEM's head shot its head off

Emunie is takeing quite some time to dev......those that did not understand self ejected

DRK is perhaps the most dubious being closed source and not really....also useless the use case for a DRK that actually works when BTC becomes 100% anon or the choice is there

Ripple shot itself in the XRP, by the ex CEO or something.

PeerCoin.....actually no drama, but will be better when cold locked minting.

On the plus side, the shear amount of energy in the crypto space, is makeing this all evolve so fast its hard to think of any development in any other field that comes close. At this rate both on the chip manufacturing side and software dev, its hard to see anything stopping the whole concept. In fact mining may be what keeps driving moores law longer than expected as a side effect....



I couldn't agree more with these summaries, except for NEM, I own a stake and I thought it was on track to being a well structured platform.

From what I've read, you might be interested in Skycoin. I've been following its development for about 7 months. It has a somewhat debatable IPO planned but in my opinion it will bring as much if not more innovation than all of these coins.
hero member
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Trphy.io
Although NXT's price up 200%, the volume has been so small. Why? Dozens of guys own NXT and people just don't buy NXT.

NXT == NOT.

It has been more than 1 million dollars and is consistent 200K dollars

People are buying NXT for sure and only will be in the future even more

go on being mad  Cheesy
sr. member
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No actual application development, are scams
hero member
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Although NXT's price up 200%, the volume has been so small. Why? Dozens of guys own NXT and people just don't buy NXT.

NXT == NOT.
newbie
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I've researched them both.  Looked into most all of the other alt coins and NXT just makes sense.  Congrats on the first 73 who were smart enough to invest in it.  They will be rich.  They deserve to be rich.  As it is, I am happy to buy NXT off them for a mere $.07 per coin.  Forging blocks is easy.  I've got about 10,000 NXT and should forge a block about every ten days.  Simple math can figure this out.  Even more, most of the original stakeholders aren't even forging which means I'll get a block even more often, but NEVER less than one block every ten days.  Try that in bitcoin.  I couldn't afford the equipment to even come close to that.  NXT is simpler, greener, fairer.  It is truly 2nd generation crypto.
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