NXT, the ultimate SCAM, will it die because of 100% pre-mine given to 50 people? - page 2.

Daedelus

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Quote from: Iscamscammers on June 25, 2015, 08:43:34 AM

Seriously, whoever trusts java for holding money should have their head examined.

That's enough right there to show its a scam.

Again...

Since your taking back to the oldschool again, here is a post from a year ago..

Quote from: Eadeqa on June 04, 2014, 10:58:06 PM

Quote from: Ryota on June 04, 2014, 10:50:02 PM

3> Java

Probably the worst.
Java is considered bad by many developers. Java is trying to install a shitty toolbar every time you install it or update and it is so insecure.
No open source programmer would ever use it.
Many people don't like Java and they will never add it (I believe it's why mcxnow never added it because it's JAVA client).
C/C++ are languages of choice of the industry. A C++ client should be developped to become something “professional and credible”.

This quote above shows a basic lack of understanding from someone who has never been a programmer. Java is a programming language. It's Oracle's applet (a web browser plugin) that has security issues. It's much easier to write secure software in Java than in C. There is also OPenJDK which is free and open source.

Java remains the most popular programming language for server side. If you have ever used Amazon and Ebay, the server side was run by Java. Almost all banks use Java on server side. So you already use Java as a client everyday.

NRS is a server application (it's not a web browser applet with security problems). The client side can be written in any programming language.

You said the same when you were Eamorr more recently Cheesy

Welcome back TS!! Grin

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Taken from the other thread:

For someone who's spent time in other echo chambers, here's the killer argument against the claim that Nxt is a scam:

Marketing.

In addition to their, uh, ethical deficits, scammers and con artists always have one thing in common: they're very slick marketers. That's a constant - a very reliable behaviour pattern.

Now tell me, and tell me true instead of weaselling around: does this behavior patter match the guys in Nxt's inner circle?

I don't know about you, but I've read a lot of complaints about Nxt's marketing being less than what it should be. Those complaints drop the dime on the claim of Nxt being a scam: producing solid technical innovations but suboptimal marketing shows the opposite of the behavior pattern of a con artist.

Another behavior pattern of scammers is their short-term orientation. Even if they have a business that could really go places, they lack the patience to build it up. Instead, they jet off and run another scam.

Does this match the behavior pattern of the inner-circle Nxters? No, it doesn't. All of them have stuck with Nxt for well over a year - through a time when NXT's price was essentially going nowhere satoshi-wise.

The behavior patterns don't match. Smiley

Iscamscammers

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Much discussion of Java security focuses on potential sources of vulnerability specific to the Java platform. These include:

Vulnerabilities in the sandboxing mechanism which allow untrusted bytecode to circumvent the restrictions imposed by the security manager
Vulnerabilities in the Java class library which an application relies upon for its security

Patches don't always come out fast enough and zero-day exploits happen frequently with Java.

I choose not to trust currency/money with this.

Iscamscammers

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Quote from: Hollowman338 on June 25, 2015, 08:51:02 AM

Quote from: Iscamscammers on June 25, 2015, 08:43:34 AM

Seriously, whoever trusts java for holding money should have their head examined.

That's enough right there to show its a scam.

Why don't you go ahead and point out the vulnerabilities of the code for us all? Can you list one?

I'm speaking more in terms of Java itself...

http://www.csoonline.com/article/2875535/application-security/java-is-the-biggest-vulnerability-for-us-computers.html

https://i.imgur.com/NbAWYs1.png

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Quote from: Iscamscammers on June 25, 2015, 08:43:34 AM

Seriously, whoever trusts java for holding money should have their head examined.

That's enough right there to show its a scam.

Why don't you go ahead and point out the vulnerabilities of the code for us all? Can you list one?

Iscamscammers

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Seriously, whoever trusts java for holding money should have their head examined.

That's enough right there to show its a scam.

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on June 23, 2015, 10:18:24 AM

Quote from: box0214 on June 23, 2015, 10:07:09 AM

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links to the original founder? im sure he/she is still here on the forums as another user.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bcnext-152600
Posting times show far Eastern European

it was a month or two before this...but I am sure it was the same guy or nxt beta....I started it up and palyed around with it then he dispapeared....then nxt.

Nxtblg

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Fpr someone who's spent time in other echo chambers, here's the killer argument against the claim that Nxt is a scam:

Marketing.

In addition to their, uh, ethical deficits, scammers and con artists always have one thing in common: they're very slick marketers. That's a constant - a very reliable behaviour pattern.

Now tell me, and tell me true instead of weaselling around: does this behavior patter match the guys in Nxt's inner circle?

I don't know about you, but I've read a lot of complaints about Nxt's marketing being less than what it should be. Those complaints drop the dime on the claim of Nxt being a scam: producing solid technical innovations but suboptimal marketing shows the opposite of the behavior pattern of a con artist.

Another behavior pattern of scammers is their short-term orientation. Even if they have a business that could really go places, they lack the patience to build it up. Instead, they jet off and run another scam.

Does this match the behavior pattern of the inner-circle Nxters? No, it doesn't. All of them have stuck with Nxt for well over a year - through a time when NXT's price was essentially going nowhere satoshi-wise.

So there's your answer as to why Nxt is not a scam. The behavior patterns don't match.

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Quote from: box0214 on June 23, 2015, 10:07:09 AM

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links to the original founder? im sure he/she is still here on the forums as another user.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bcnext-152600
Posting times show far Eastern European

box0214

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Quote from: jubalix on June 23, 2015, 06:40:26 AM

i think NXT has gone on too long and has to may features devs etc to be called a scam.

It genesis was interesting.

I tried what looked like a very early version of nxt before nxt existed.

Some guy said something like

I think I can do a pos/java/html front end....and posted it here....

I had a play with it and it looked like release 0.00 of NXT

This person then disappeared and NXT followed a few months after.

the posts are here somewhere....

links to the original founder? im sure he/she is still here on the forums as another user.

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i think NXT has gone on too long and has to may features devs etc to be called a scam.

It genesis was interesting.

I tried what looked like a very early version of nxt before nxt existed.

Some guy said something like

I think I can do a pos/java/html front end....and posted it here....

I had a play with it and it looked like release 0.00 of NXT

This person then disappeared and NXT followed a few months after.

the posts are here somewhere....

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Quote from: Morton Bitcoin Management on June 21, 2015, 09:39:47 PM

Quote from: superresistant on June 21, 2015, 11:29:03 AM

That's 334397NXT for 1 BTC but that's not on the first days of trading, the price already skyrocketed 10 times. I remember the price being much lower. Probably about .0000003 (30 satoshis) or .0000005 (50 satoshis).
So you could buy a lot of Nxt for few BTC and multiply them with trading (buy lower sell high repeat). I personally make over 800K NXT with about 1 BTC.

Exactly. If you made that much off those wild ups and downs think about how much the person who had a dominant share of that market would make causing those ups and downs.
Even though 33 Satoshi is a big difference from 1 or 2 I guess you proved me wrong there. Still think Nxt is pretty shady.

But I don't feel like early adopters scammed me on the exchange !
I could have invested in the IPO but I didn't : I didn't had the balls to invest at that time and that's it. I'm not gonna complain.
I am actually happy for the IPO investors and I learned a lot from that experience. They are not fake people, I'm friend on Facebook with one early adopter.
Everyone that participated earned something.
Again, there are no victims. So why the hate ?

thew3apon

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download the wallet of nxt here http://nxt.org/

explore its features then rationally look at why you would think its a scam

also maybe look at the work put into it

https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src

box0214

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where does the hashes don't match? why would he say something like that?

rajc

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LOL, the famous "hashes dont match"

the truth is, since that article was written, NXT went through 2 or 3 hard forks adding features while BTC is trying to raise the block size
awfully lots of effort by devs and community just to scam few $ out of other people.

Morton Bitcoin Management

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Quote from: superresistant on June 21, 2015, 11:29:03 AM

That's 334397NXT for 1 BTC but that's not on the first days of trading, the price already skyrocketed 10 times. I remember the price being much lower. Probably about .0000003 (30 satoshis) or .0000005 (50 satoshis).

So you could buy a lot of Nxt for few BTC and multiply them with trading (buy lower sell high repeat). I personally make over 800K NXT with about 1 BTC.

Exactly. If you made that much off those wild ups and downs think about how much the person who had a dominant share of that market would make causing those ups and downs.

Even though 33 Satoshi is a big difference from 1 or 2 I guess you proved me wrong there. Still think Nxt is pretty shady but I guess that's the awesome part about cryptocurrencies, doesn't matter what one person thinks.

Although I'm definitely not the only one to think that way:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-core-developer-jeff-garzik-believes-nxt-is-a-scamcoin/

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Quote from: Morton Bitcoin Management on June 20, 2015, 09:35:44 PM

HAHAHAHAHA Wow dude. If your going to lie you should do a better job of it! You could literally never buy 70% of Nxt with 10 bitcoins even if it were to crash since bitcoin doesn't divide enough for you to do so. Say 1 Nxt = .00000001 btc or 1 satoshi (the smallest possible unit of bitcoin) then you could buy 100% of the Nxt network for 10 btc. If 1 Nxt = .00000002 or 2 satoshi then 10 btc would buy 50% of Nxt's network. But ok let's say you were just talking in generalities. Show me the exact exchange, date, time and include a picture cause I'm calling BS. Prove me wrong if your not lying.

You can never buy 100% neither 70% on an exchange : when the demand increase, the price increase. Basic trading.
He was obviously exaggerating but he is not far from reality.

I was trading in the first days. The problem is that the exchange is dead a year ago and we cannot access the database.
The only thing I could find was a screenshot of one of my buy order from a thread :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8787782

That's 334397NXT for 1 BTC but that's not on the first days of trading, the price already skyrocketed 10 times. I remember the price being much lower. Probably about .0000003 (30 satoshis) or .0000005 (50 satoshis).

So you could buy a lot of Nxt for few BTC and multiply them with trading (buy lower sell high repeat). I personally make over 800K NXT with about 1 BTC. That was good old times.

What were you doing at this time ? Don't be angry that you missed an opportunity, there will be plenty of others but I can tell you that whining like a baby and acting like a victim will never give you any opportunity and lead you nowhere.

Yes, every time you come back to justify yourself in this thread, you are missing an opportunity. (but you make us laugh)

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on June 20, 2015, 08:32:44 AM

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73 ~~people~~ bitcointalk accounts recieved NXT in the initial distro....heres the original NXT [ANN] thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-nxt-descendant-of-bitcoin-303898

5 people with about 10 sockpuppet accounts each on this anonymous forum received the bulk of NXT.
The other 20 forum accounts received just small amounts of nxt as they where told not to sent a lot of bitcoin (the max was 1 btc)

Strange fact still remains that you could buy almost the same amount of coins once it hit their exchange... its not like NxT was that expensive that time.
With only 10 btc you could almost buy 70% of the coins.

Lots of you still don't get it that Monero and Litecoin had the same problems and more.

Bitcoin fanboys still mocking every project which is not under control of Bitcoin control freaks. Almost like a cult.

HAHAHAHAHA Wow dude. If your going to lie you should do a better job of it! You could literally never buy 70% of Nxt with 10 bitcoins even if it were to crash since bitcoin doesn't divide enough for you to do so. Say 1 Nxt = .00000001 btc or 1 satoshi (the smallest possible unit of bitcoin) then you could buy 100% of the Nxt network for 10 btc. If 1 Nxt = .00000002 or 2 satoshi then 10 btc would buy 50% of Nxt's network. But ok let's say you were just talking in generalities. Show me the exact exchange, date, time and include a picture cause I'm calling BS. Prove me wrong if your not lying.

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its very simple actually....

if you don't like the initial distribution and think its a scam and unfair that you didn't get in early... don't buy the coin....

But seeing that the platform is very solid so far, there are ALOT of assets you can buy just like NXT initial offering and still get in early. I'm buying the platform assets instead of the NXT coin.

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on June 20, 2015, 08:32:44 AM

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73 ~~people~~ bitcointalk accounts recieved NXT in the initial distro....heres the original NXT [ANN] thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-nxt-descendant-of-bitcoin-303898

5 people with about 10 sockpuppet accounts each on this anonymous forum received the bulk of NXT.
The other 20 forum accounts received just small amounts of nxt as they where told not to sent a lot of bitcoin (the max was 1 btc)

Strange fact still remains that you could buy almost the same amount of coins once it hit their exchange... its not like NxT was that expensive that time. With only 10 btc you could almost buy 70% of the coins.

So true. I didn't buy at the IPO because I could not figure out the potential value.
Once on the exchange everyone could buy multiple millions of Nxt for few BTC.

So why the haters didn't buy on the first exchange ? What is their excuse ?
Haters' got excuse for everything. It is always the fault of the others.
The world is conspiring against them.
They love being the victim of a big powerful mysterious group of people.
Sound like sadomasochism isn't it ?

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