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legendary
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The rules for the next draw (@bittybox you were first to notice):

* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB, plus 0.1 point for each GB between 10 GB and 1000 GB, plus 0.01 point for each GB above 1000 GB.
* Unattested addresses get 0.01 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase since the previous draw.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.

The change introduces 0.01 coefficient for unattested addresses and very large attested addresses.  As a result, the weight of whales is further reduced.

The page http://draw.byteball.org/ now displays whale dominance % at the bottom.
sr. member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 307
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.

Those addresses are excluded from the draw.  Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.

I see two fundamental problems:

1. So people find other ways to exploit the real-name attestation without causing attentation.
2. You will have to act like a dictator (centralization) deciding yourself which address are abusive and which one not.

1. At least it will be harder for them. If your logic would be applied in society we should abolish the police and the judicial system all together since smart thieves may find anyway a way to steal and rob without being caught. Well, if you like that then go to an empty island and create your ideal society where even the most stupid thieves will have the right to steal to others.

2. I have some news for you: Byteball has started as a 100% centralised network where Tony had all the bytes and all the balls and he has been distributing them for a year now in the way which he thinks best to achieve max decentralisation. Not all choices may have been the best ones but they have honestly tried to be the best ones. So all the bytes which still have to be distributed are still centralised in Tony's hands by definition, there is no surprise in that. As for the reference to "dictator", all I can say is that you seem to have a quite confused interpretation of reality.

So we are 1 hour after the first Draw Airdrop and I have found that points have been manipulated.


Bad formulation. Possibly the team has instead tried to FIX the manipolations done by those who have tried to abuse the system. And we can only be greatful for that. Unless, of course, we are the abusers.
jr. member
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So we are 1 hour after the first Draw Airdrop and I have found that points have been manipulated.

@Tonych: Can you please explain why a
wallet: I4T5TYUTGHDHJE47HY6VASWO32AT5FMV
with
10043.662306781 GBYTE
has only
100.43662306781 Points (0.01 Points per GBYTE) (have been reduced recently)

while another wallet: AGCOTJH6NKSEOBGSXQRX27CPBNX5VJN5
with
3540.049522479 GBYTE
hast still
383.0049522479 Points (0.1 Points per GBYTE)

This is just a example, a lot of wallets have been reduced by points.
Screenshot of http://draw.byteball.org/ at 13:00 UTC, 14 December 2018
https://web-capture.net/picture.php?pic_index=1&presentation_method=inline

EDIT:
Someone knows if this manipulation was done before the first Airdrop at 12 UTC ?

More Screenshots:
https://shrinktheweb.snapito.io/v2/webshot/spu-ea68c8-ogi2-3cwn3bmfojjlb56e?size=800x0&screen=1024x768&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdraw.byteball.org%2F
jr. member
Activity: 71
Merit: 2
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.

Those addresses are excluded from the draw.  Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.

I see two fundamental problems:

1. So people find other ways to exploit the real-name attestation without causing attentation.
2. You will have to act like a dictator (centralization) deciding yourself which address are abusive and which one not.
sr. member
Activity: 1015
Merit: 289
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.

Those addresses are excluded from the draw.  Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.

Well done! It was crucial to take immediate action so as not to jeopardize the whole operation and the team's image of integrity. Even if some in the community may disagree with some aspects of the distribution , marketing or whatever, nobody with a working mind would doubt the full honesty and integrity of Byteball's team, and it's essential that this well deserved trust doesn't get spoiled in the slightest.
legendary
Activity: 965
Merit: 1033
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.

Those addresses are excluded from the draw.  Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.
hero member
Activity: 1068
Merit: 523
These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

The lottery could just be morphed into a weekly airdrop based on BB holdings, no funny business with attestation friends, everybody gets a small pay out every week, if your balance increases you get slightly more next week, if it decreases slightly less.
sr. member
Activity: 1015
Merit: 289
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.
legendary
Activity: 965
Merit: 1033
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.
sr. member
Activity: 1015
Merit: 289
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

It doesn't really matter if that is technically cheating or not, morally it is and given the fact that such exploits are possible the team should immediately address this issue and avoid such exploits being possible or postpone the lottery and change the rules so as to guarantee it to be fair. Or else just lose another piece of community, which I suspect is NOT the purpose of this initiative.

All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations (user_id is a hash of firstname, lastname, birthday, country). So it is not 100% sure if it's 1 person, it could also be group of people who have made it their goal to have as many attested addresses taking part of the draw.

What is funny for me is that when it would have happen with anonymous addresses then we couldn't even see that something is out of place, but thanks to real-name-attestation, we can see from explorer that these are all different people, but funded with 10GB by same person. Hopefully, if they win (would be epic if they don't), they also spread the winning amounts to all the people who participated in it by signing up with their attested wallet. If they don't, then it's more clear if it was one person with lot of stolen identities. But then again, maybe this one person keeps the bytes while rewarding the participants with fiat currency, we can't really tell.

This makes even more clear what's the game here: someone has likely just used the IDs of all family members, friends and neighbours first to carve out of the system some money with the referral for attestation process and now for winning the lottery. This has probably happened in some poor country where people would do anything to get some money going through an attestation process they will receive a few bucks for even though they possibly know nothing about crypto. My guess is that it is 99% sure it's 1 single person, who is in control of all those wallets associated to people who likely know nothing about crypto and who have been just used by him for the attestation. If the team goes along with this situation and ends up rewarding this scammer with hundreds of GB they will not gain any adoption to the network, trust me, on the contrary, people may just leave in disgust. Especially as the scam has been exposed BEFORE it actually gets rewarded and so if the team choses to nevertheless reward it would end up endorsing such a scammish behavior.
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it's a good Project
full member
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All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations
How i can check the hash of attestation in explorer.byteball.org?

It's easier to find the attestations with https://byteball.co/ because it shows every attestor who has attested that address (just go to each address profile page and click Attestations tab). Difficult to do that with https://explorer.byteball.org/ if you do not know the Unit ID that attested them, explorer.byteball.org is good for looking up what financial transactions this address has done, byteball.co doesn't show financial transactions.

You can't check what name is behind that hash without them sharing their private profile to your bot, but if the hash is unique then it means that different firstname/lastname/birthday/country was used to create that hash.
full member
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All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations
How i can check the hash of attestation in explorer.byteball.org?
newbie
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full member
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

It doesn't really matter if that is technically cheating or not, morally it is and given the fact that such exploits are possible the team should immediately address this issue and avoid such exploits being possible or postpone the lottery and change the rules so as to guarantee it to be fair. Or else just lose another piece of community, which I suspect is NOT the purpose of this initiative.

All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations (user_id is a hash of firstname, lastname, birthday, country). So it is not 100% sure if it's 1 person, it could also be group of people who have made it their goal to have as many attested addresses taking part of the draw.

What is funny for me is that when it would have happen with anonymous addresses then we couldn't even see that something is out of place, but thanks to real-name-attestation, we can see from explorer that these are all different people, but funded with 10GB by same person. Hopefully, if they win (would be epic if they don't), they also spread the winning amounts to all the people who participated in it by signing up with their attested wallet. If they don't, then it's more clear if it was one person with lot of stolen identities. But then again, maybe this one person keeps the bytes while rewarding the participants with fiat currency, we can't really tell.
full member
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1. This link to the page which explains the new distribution is quite hidden - not on OP, not on Website, how are people supposed to find it?

https://medium.com/byteball/weekly-draw-for-the-byteball-community-f464ae731c88

2, On this page the main issue is to convince people to attest their name, as for explaining what to do to partecipate, this is all what you can find:

Quote
Add the Draw Airdrop bot from the Bot Store inside your Byteball wallet and follow the instructions. Good luck!

3. Such a pity that there are no instructions anywhere - so indeed you really need luck, but not to win, just to partecipate.
All what I could do in my wallet is to open the chat of that bot. Having zero instructions to follow I've introduced in the chat my wallet address and the only result is that an error mistake has popped up

Quote
An exception occurred: Error: [$parse:syntax] Syntax Error: Token ']' is unexpected, expecting [)] at column 47 of the expression
etc etc.

...after which the wallet has crashed.

4. Now, every time I start Draw Airdrop bot I'm immediately getting the same mistake and the wallet crashes. No way to use that bot any more.

I must say I'm impressed.
On top of that I see that people are already exploiting the rules in a disgusting way.
Who is the genius who has designed this stuff?

Update to latest wallet version v2.6.0
full member
Activity: 298
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1. This link to the page which explains the new distribution is quite hidden - not on OP, not on Website, how are people supposed to find it?

https://medium.com/byteball/weekly-draw-for-the-byteball-community-f464ae731c88

2, On this page the main issue is to convince people to attest their name, as for explaining what to do to partecipate, this is all what you can find:

Quote
Add the Draw Airdrop bot from the Bot Store inside your Byteball wallet and follow the instructions. Good luck!

3. Such a pity that there are no instructions anywhere - so indeed you really need luck, but not to win, just to partecipate.
All what I could do in my wallet is to open the chat of that bot. Having zero instructions to follow I've introduced in the chat my wallet address and the only result is that an error mistake has popped up

Quote
An exception occurred: Error: [$parse:syntax] Syntax Error: Token ']' is unexpected, expecting [)] at column 47 of the expression
etc etc.

...after which the wallet has crashed.

4. Now, every time I start Draw Airdrop bot I'm immediately getting the same mistake and the wallet crashes. No way to use that bot any more.

I must say I'm impressed.
On top of that I see that people are already exploiting the rules in a disgusting way.
Who is the genius who has designed this stuff?
sr. member
Activity: 1015
Merit: 289
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

It doesn't really matter if that is technically cheating or not, morally it is and given the fact that such exploits are possible the team should immediately address this issue and avoid such exploits being possible or postpone the lottery and change the rules so as to guarantee it to be fair. Or else just lose another piece of community, which I suspect is NOT the purpose of this initiative.
jr. member
Activity: 71
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.
member
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I cannot believe how the holders of this coin (who also have the motivation to make it grow)
 are making fun of the team's decisions. And for some ridiculous reason Byteball still exists.
How many more people have to tell you that decisions you come up with are bad?
One can clearly tell It is not just hate, because they do love Byteball, but not the devs's decisions.
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