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Quote from: bitcool on April 06, 2012, 11:48:25 PM

Quote from: Pipesnake on April 06, 2012, 11:43:07 PM

You should never rely on an emailed code. If you don't visibly see a code on a plastic gift card there's a good chance it's illegitimate.

I don't think that's entirely true, if you order GC from Amazon's website, there's "email" option which only send code via email.

Also, my credit card company offers emailed code when I redeem my reward points.

"Also, my credit card company offers emailed code when I redeem my reward points."
Eureeka.

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Quote from: bitcool on April 06, 2012, 11:59:58 PM

Quote from: Pipesnake on April 06, 2012, 11:51:23 PM

Gift cards are the number one fraud category on eBay. Why do you think that is?

I'd like to know how many are non-delivery fraud, and how many of those gift cards are actually redeemable on the vendor website.

It's a combination of both of those plus buyers claiming non-receipt for emailed codes.

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Quote from: Pipesnake on April 06, 2012, 11:51:23 PM

Gift cards are the number one fraud category on eBay. Why do you think that is?

I'd like to know how many are non-delivery fraud, and how many of those gift cards are actually redeemable on the vendor website.

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Quote from: Pipesnake on April 06, 2012, 11:43:07 PM

Amazon's gift code algorithm isn't exactly rocket science. IIRC the code generators work for 4-8 months then Amazon catches up and shuts them down. IIRC Amazon throws a pretty wide net out to try and recover funds from those who used illegitimate codes.

The bottom line is, no matter how code was generated, there should be one central database to store all legit codes, so they can be checked at redemption time. Am I missing something?

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Quote from: bitcool on April 06, 2012, 11:48:25 PM

Quote from: Pipesnake on April 06, 2012, 11:43:07 PM

You should never rely on an emailed code. If you don't visibly see a code on a plastic gift card there's a good chance it's illegitimate.

I don't think that's entirely true, if you order GC from Amazon's website, there's "email" option which only send code via email.

Also, my credit card company offers emailed code when I redeem my reward points.

In both those cases you are ordering directly from the gift code provider. Dealing with an emailed code via a third party is extremely risky. Gift cards are the number one fraud category on eBay. Why do you think that is?

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Quote from: Pipesnake on April 06, 2012, 11:43:07 PM

You should never rely on an emailed code. If you don't visibly see a code on a plastic gift card there's a good chance it's illegitimate.

I don't think that's entirely true, if you order GC from Amazon's website, there's "email" option which only send code via email.

Also, my credit card company offers emailed code when I redeem my reward points.

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Amazon's gift code algorithm isn't exactly rocket science. IIRC the code generators work for 4-8 months then Amazon catches up and shuts them down. IIRC Amazon throws a pretty wide net out to try and recover funds from those who used illegitimate codes.

You should never rely on an emailed code. If you don't visibly see a code on a plastic gift card there's a good chance it's illegitimate.

This is what a legitimate seller looks like:

I'd love to see some proof/evidence that any of these guys are selling legitimate codes.

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Quote from: newdude on April 06, 2012, 10:54:23 PM

Quote from: Maged on April 06, 2012, 10:16:17 PM

Has anyone bothered checking into Occulta's story? One way we could do it is by asking Amazon the same questions he asked Amazon of newguy. Until that happens, I'm worried that Occulta might really be scamming us as well.

Turnabout is fair play.

Careful, they might start to say you and I are the same person too.
I wonder will they dare to tell you to shut up.
I doubt it.

Who knows?

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Quote from: gamer4156 on April 06, 2012, 11:14:51 PM

Quote from: bitcool on April 06, 2012, 11:02:39 PM

With so many customers having used Occulta's GCs, if he is a scammer, either he is an incredibly smart criminal or Amazon is incredibly incompetent.

I find my self astonished every day at the complete incompetence of others.

Before I thought Amazon can't be that stupid to allow this happen, but after seeing videos like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ1qbijOGmc
I am not so sure ...

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Quote from: bitcool on April 06, 2012, 11:02:39 PM

With so many customers having used Occulta's GCs, if he is a scammer, either he is an incredibly smart criminal or Amazon is incredibly incompetent.

I find my self astonished every day at the complete incompetence of others.

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With so many customers having used Occulta's GCs, if he is a scammer, either he is an incredibly smart criminal or Amazon is incredibly incompetent.

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Quote from: Maged on April 06, 2012, 10:16:17 PM

Has anyone bothered checking into Occulta's story? One way we could do it is by asking Amazon the same questions he asked Amazon of newguy. Until that happens, I'm worried that Occulta might really be scamming us as well.

Turnabout is fair play.

Careful, they might start to say you and I are the same person too.
I wonder will they dare to tell you to shut up.
I doubt it.

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Away on an extended break

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Has anyone bothered checking into Occulta's story? One way we could do it is by asking Amazon the same questions he asked Amazon of newguy. Until that happens, I'm worried that Occulta might really be scamming us as well.

Turnabout is fair play.

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Pretty obvious anyone selling Amazon codes at 10-20% off is up to shenanigans. If you can get paid $1000usd on $1000 off commissions why on earth would you accept 80 cents on the dollar?

80 cents on the dollar from an untraceable payment source I might add (so no chargeback issues when the codes start coming up invalid and/or banned). Takes Amazon a while to catch up but it always does. Mark my words.

Sorry but the truth hurts.

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Both sellers have acted very unprofessionally and I will not give either of them business having read these 2 threads.

gamer4156

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The best part of the haploid guy, is that he actually bought $4,000 worth of codes from Newdude. He got them all with 0 issues. I am not sure where the final $570 owed comes into play but he did get amazon GC's worth 4k.

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To be honest I dont really care how newdude or occulta get their amazong giftcodes as long as they are legit. I have bought from occulta before and he is legit I have had 0 problems and neither has anyone else. Newdude so far has been trolling and has apparently ripped off one person so far... Its common sense here.

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I believe the ? makes it a question and not a statement, im no master of the English language. If you want to see libelous and belligerent post, look at the original thread. There was absolutely no argument made as to why he was a scammer. It was just so. Big bad Occulta deemed it so and that was it.

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Quote from: gamer4156 on April 06, 2012, 05:55:46 PM

This is essentially my entire argument. No one cares where the cards came from. Occulta didnt want the competition so he forced a competitor out of the market by lying. Bitcoin is suppose to be the essence of a free market. This was anything but. Essentially you had a monopoly that didn't like the competition so he used his reputation to smear the new seller and force him out.

If that is your entire argument, you should edit your post title and cross your fingers you don't get banned. "Not playing nice with competition" is not scamming. You are being libelous and belligerent. Revise your post to be accurate, or prepare to lose any credibility you may have.

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