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Quote from: WatChe on January 16, 2024, 02:18:44 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2024, 09:35:56 PM

Actually it is not Ireland and Afghanistan are making their survival difficult. Ireland is in very poor form ever since they got the test status in 2019, and even if they lose to these teams it can be justified by saying that they lost to test nations. But what about the recent defeats to African associates such as Namibia and Uganda? And also in the ODI World Cup qualifiers, they lost to Scotland and Netherlands. These sort of defeats triggers a lot of questions and the decision by ICC to keep the test status of Zimbabwe will look more and more unjustified with each passing day.

I think ICC don't have much options to choose from. There are 12 test teams at the moment including Zimbabwe and Ireland. Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and in last 23 years they were not able to produce any good test results but they also have test status intact. West Indies and Sri Lanka are also down and out in test but they also have there test status. There are only 4 to 5 out of these 12 teams who have the capability to play test and give good performance rest are there to just fill the table.

Afghanistan and Ireland both teams have test status by ICC but they're not still played enough match in test cricket but they also got status and ICC given status 19 teams and ICC ranking nearly 100 teams in ODI format but how much team got qualify to play world cup and other big event. So status is doesn’t mean every team will play well and show good results.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 16, 2024, 02:18:44 AM

I think ICC don't have much options to choose from. There are 12 test teams at the moment including Zimbabwe and Ireland. Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and in last 23 years they were not able to produce any good test results but they also have test status intact. West Indies and Sri Lanka are also down and out in test but they also have there test status. There are only 4 to 5 out of these 12 teams who have the capability to play test and give good performance rest are there to just fill the table.

Thinking about the West Indies that they still have some players who can play the test cricket although the team West India were been a favorite team for their t20 skills. As most top players for the t20 were also discovered by them. But Sri Lanka team I don't think can provide good skills in the test cricket and also the ICC may be some issues with some teams which is due to the financial status of some teams like I can say the current situation of Sri Lankan Team.

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Quote from: mdzahed134 on January 16, 2024, 01:34:00 AM

Quote from: fuguebtc on January 15, 2024, 11:13:04 AM

Actually what do you want to mean by saying "despite all the funding from the ICC"? It can be said without any doubt that the amount of money ICC gives to Zimbabwe cricket board they are not using with full potential. Also, the cricket board is not competent. They are thinking about how to steal as much money as they can. It is 100% sure they are not concerned about the performance of the team. Otherwise, the team could have been in a very different and better position compared to where they are right now. And Zimbabwe was actually really good at a time. But because of the cricket board, the team actually have been destroyed.

There are many irregularities in Zimbabwe cricket board so there is no improvement. If Zimbabwe is a member of International Cricket Council, so they're getting big fund millions of dollars from ICC, but they didn’t used it properly that's correct otherwise why they are not able to qualify in any big event for a long time, i think if they continue to poor playing in this way, they can be excluded from the membership of the ICC at any time.

We currently have so many problems with Zimbabwe which are looking for fix but due to instability it's not happening so they are suffering most chances they will go down even we can say they will be down like Kenya which is no where which could be worst for them and game as well, but sadly ICC is not able to bring anything positive and ZCB is also not interested to do anything for the development of the game even they are taking good amount of funds from the ICC.

Now they have few time for the bringing things back to normal but once they lost this time then surely consequences could be more problematic even this mean end of the cricket with no way of return like we are facing in West Indies which is also on verge of lost their all due to internal issues.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2024, 09:35:56 PM

Actually it is not Ireland and Afghanistan are making their survival difficult. Ireland is in very poor form ever since they got the test status in 2019, and even if they lose to these teams it can be justified by saying that they lost to test nations. But what about the recent defeats to African associates such as Namibia and Uganda? And also in the ODI World Cup qualifiers, they lost to Scotland and Netherlands. These sort of defeats triggers a lot of questions and the decision by ICC to keep the test status of Zimbabwe will look more and more unjustified with each passing day.

I think ICC don't have much options to choose from. There are 12 test teams at the moment including Zimbabwe and Ireland. Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and in last 23 years they were not able to produce any good test results but they also have test status intact. West Indies and Sri Lanka are also down and out in test but they also have there test status. There are only 4 to 5 out of these 12 teams who have the capability to play test and give good performance rest are there to just fill the table.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on January 15, 2024, 11:13:04 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2024, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: roksana.hee on January 15, 2024, 12:56:51 AM

Yes, you're right about Zimbabwe's long-standing presence in international cricket since 1992. They've had their share of national-level matches and even qualified for the T20 World Cup a couple of times. However, it's true that they haven't been part of mega-events like the World Cup for several years, which can impact their performance.

If they can't qualify for the major ICC tournaments, then what we can do about it? Despite all the funding from the ICC, they failed to qualify for both the ODI and T20I world cups. In ODI world cup qualifiers, they lost out to associate nations such as Netherlands and Scotland. And their performance in T20 qualifier was even worse. They lost matches to Uganda and Namibia, and ended up at the third position in Africa qualifiers. I am feeling bad for the Zimbabwean players. They are getting punished for the incompetence of the cricket board.

Actually what do you want to mean by saying "despite all the funding from the ICC"? It can be said without any doubt that the amount of money ICC gives to Zimbabwe cricket board they are not using with full potential. Also, the cricket board is not competent. They are thinking about how to steal as much money as they can. It is 100% sure they are not concerned about the performance of the team. Otherwise, the team could have been in a very different and better position compared to where they are right now. And Zimbabwe was actually really good at a time. But because of the cricket board, the team actually have been destroyed.

There are many irregularities in Zimbabwe cricket board so there is no improvement. If Zimbabwe is a member of International Cricket Council, so they're getting big fund millions of dollars from ICC, but they didn’t used it properly that's correct otherwise why they are not able to qualify in any big event for a long time, i think if they continue to poor playing in this way, they can be excluded from the membership of the ICC at any time.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 15, 2024, 01:41:26 PM

Defeating Pakistan once in that tournament was just a random outlier. They didn't win any series properly since eons which is why they are barely clinging on these days. I expected them to disappear like Kenya etc sometime back.

However, I was wrong and they are somehow surviving. New teams like Ireland, Afghanistan etc are making it tougher and tougher for them to survive.

Actually it is not Ireland and Afghanistan are making their survival difficult. Ireland is in very poor form ever since they got the test status in 2019, and even if they lose to these teams it can be justified by saying that they lost to test nations. But what about the recent defeats to African associates such as Namibia and Uganda? And also in the ODI World Cup qualifiers, they lost to Scotland and Netherlands. These sort of defeats triggers a lot of questions and the decision by ICC to keep the test status of Zimbabwe will look more and more unjustified with each passing day.

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Quote from: MusaPk on January 15, 2024, 01:21:25 PM

Zimbabwe was a decent Test and ODI side in 90s but then there is sudden twist in there performance and they were out from all three formats. They participated in last T20I world cup and beat Pakistan which gave a hope that they are coming back but it was proved wrong. Now Zimbabwe is once again out from next T20I world cup. ICC must support Zimbabwe but should also ask why there is no improvement in there performance.

Defeating Pakistan once in that tournament was just a random outlier. They didn't win any series properly since eons which is why they are barely clinging on these days. I expected them to disappear like Kenya etc sometime back.

However, I was wrong and they are somehow surviving. New teams like Ireland, Afghanistan etc are making it tougher and tougher for them to survive.

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There will be a good cricket match as between the teams like Zimbabwe Women and Ireland Women in Harare on 18th of January. Everyone is excited as recently the Ireland Women team has the strong bowling attach and they can easily beat any team with the strategy they are following now and also they are improving their batting line up due to which they have also well performed in their recent matches against different teams which puts their moral up.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on January 15, 2024, 11:13:04 AM

Actually what do you want to mean by saying "despite all the funding from the ICC"? It can be said without any doubt that the amount of money ICC gives to Zimbabwe cricket board they are not using with full potential. Also, the cricket board is not competent. They are thinking about how to steal as much money as they can. It is 100% sure they are not concerned about the performance of the team. Otherwise, the team could have been in a very different and better position compared to where they are right now. And Zimbabwe was actually really good at a time. But because of the cricket board, the team actually have been destroyed.

Zimbabwe was a decent Test and ODI side in 90s but then there is sudden twist in there performance and they were out from all three formats. They participated in last T20I world cup and beat Pakistan which gave a hope that they are coming back but it was proved wrong. Now Zimbabwe is once again out from next T20I world cup. ICC must support Zimbabwe but should also ask why there is no improvement in there performance.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2024, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: roksana.hee on January 15, 2024, 12:56:51 AM

Yes, you're right about Zimbabwe's long-standing presence in international cricket since 1992. They've had their share of national-level matches and even qualified for the T20 World Cup a couple of times. However, it's true that they haven't been part of mega-events like the World Cup for several years, which can impact their performance.

If they can't qualify for the major ICC tournaments, then what we can do about it? Despite all the funding from the ICC, they failed to qualify for both the ODI and T20I world cups. In ODI world cup qualifiers, they lost out to associate nations such as Netherlands and Scotland. And their performance in T20 qualifier was even worse. They lost matches to Uganda and Namibia, and ended up at the third position in Africa qualifiers. I am feeling bad for the Zimbabwean players. They are getting punished for the incompetence of the cricket board.

Actually what do you want to mean by saying "despite all the funding from the ICC"? It can be said without any doubt that the amount of money ICC gives to Zimbabwe cricket board they are not using with full potential. Also, the cricket board is not competent. They are thinking about how to steal as much money as they can. It is 100% sure they are not concerned about the performance of the team. Otherwise, the team could have been in a very different and better position compared to where they are right now. And Zimbabwe was actually really good at a time. But because of the cricket board, the team actually have been destroyed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2024, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: roksana.hee on January 15, 2024, 12:56:51 AM

Yes, you're right about Zimbabwe's long-standing presence in international cricket since 1992. They've had their share of national-level matches and even qualified for the T20 World Cup a couple of times. However, it's true that they haven't been part of mega-events like the World Cup for several years, which can impact their performance.

If they can't qualify for the major ICC tournaments, then what we can do about it? Despite all the funding from the ICC, they failed to qualify for both the ODI and T20I world cups. In ODI world cup qualifiers, they lost out to associate nations such as Netherlands and Scotland. And their performance in T20 qualifier was even worse. They lost matches to Uganda and Namibia, and ended up at the third position in Africa qualifiers. I am feeling bad for the Zimbabwean players. They are getting punished for the incompetence of the cricket board.

The current situation of the team is due to internal conflicts within the Zimbabwe Cricket Board. At the same time several talented and experienced players in the team retired and they could not find their suitable replacements. So Zimbabwe's performance is now very poor. UAE and Ireland teams are doing much better now compared to Zimbabwe. At the same time, I can see the improvement in the performance of Nepal team players. If Zimbabwe can't produce talented players now, their future is bleak. At the same time the squad players also have to be more diligent. Otherwise, this team will gradually disappear.

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Quote from: roksana.hee on January 15, 2024, 12:56:51 AM

Yes, you're right about Zimbabwe's long-standing presence in international cricket since 1992. They've had their share of national-level matches and even qualified for the T20 World Cup a couple of times. However, it's true that they haven't been part of mega-events like the World Cup for several years, which can impact their performance.

If they can't qualify for the major ICC tournaments, then what we can do about it? Despite all the funding from the ICC, they failed to qualify for both the ODI and T20I world cups. In ODI world cup qualifiers, they lost out to associate nations such as Netherlands and Scotland. And their performance in T20 qualifier was even worse. They lost matches to Uganda and Namibia, and ended up at the third position in Africa qualifiers. I am feeling bad for the Zimbabwean players. They are getting punished for the incompetence of the cricket board.

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Quote from: hafiztalha on January 14, 2024, 12:58:36 PM

Quote from: Nazmul012 on January 14, 2024, 08:48:49 AM

The performance of zimbabwe team still on discussion but i think this is very common in Cricket history. Anything is possible in the field. Even A small team also defeated a big team so many times. moreover i haven't discussed about zimbabwe so long expect the previous ODI series between Zimbabwe Vs Sri Lanka. Rain anyhow saved Zimbabwe from losing their 1st Odi but in 2nd Odi, Zimbabwe had done decent scored and efforted to win but lost. Only 3rd odi, it played incredibly poor. Hope they'll learn from this match and do well in upcoming Matches with Sri Lanka.

In odi series of these teams Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka team effort was very good than Zimbabwe team effort and this series was end recently few days ago. In their 1 st ODI game, Sri Lanka set 273 runs target and this target was very big for Zimbabwe team but this game was not processed at last and after few overs of Sri Lanka then this game ended with no result. In 2 ODI game, Zimbabwe team made 209 runs target and Sri Lanka team chase down this all target and won this game by 2 wickets and 6 balls. In this game, Zimbabwe gave little bit problem to Sri Lanka team but they did not break down Sri Lanka team and lost this game. In 3 rd last game, due to DLS method Sri Lanka team won this game with good margin of wickets and balls, total 8 wickets and 62 balls left for bat. Zimbabwe team made very small target of 96 runs and Sri Lanka easily chase down this target. Now both these team T20 series started and 1 st game already overed and Sri Lanka also win this game and lead with one game.

In the Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwe ODI match, we saw more batting failures than bowling from the Zimbabwean team. If the Zimbabwean team could have batted well against Sri Lanka then maybe we would have won Zimbabwe against Sri Lanka in the second ODI. Because the Lankan batsmen had to struggle to win the target of 209 runs given by Zimbabwe. If Zimbabwe could have scored 230 runs in the second ODI, maybe the Zimbabwe Jal team would have won the second ODI match. If we talk about ODI matches then we have seen Zimbabwe batting pain in ODI matches. But in the first T20 match, Zimbabwe turned around brilliantly. In the first T20 match, the Lankan batsmen had to fight to win the target of 144 runs given by Zimbabwe. In the end, the Sri Lankan team won the first T20 match by three wickets.

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Zimbabwean team is too weak in fighting against the Sri Lankan team. Sri Lanka's team is much stronger as compared to Zimbabwe and secondly, their coaches did not prepare them well

Zimbabwe isn't new in field but that's no improvement in their performance for long. And yeah, they were too weak to fight against SL team but Zimbabwe lost, i doesn't mean SL is very strong. Actually Zimbabwe is very weak in my view. Cause team like Uganda beaten them and eliminated Zimbabwe from T20 world cup. What else do you think? Craig Ervine was the one , who scored in 2nd ODI, otherwise Zimbabwe wouldn't Crossed 200 run in 2nd ODi. Even in 1st ODI, they already lost 2 wickets within 12 runs when the target was 273 which is huge run by SL. They need proper guidelines to follow for get out of such poor performance and strong themselves for upcoming games.

Right, Zimbabwe is very old team you know they’re a member of ICC since 1992, and they played many national level matches even they two times qualified T20 world if i'm not mistake, so it’s seems they're not new in Cricket. Whatever since they are out of the mega events (as like world cup) for many years, good performance cannot be expected from them suddenly, so of course now Srilanka is the strong team to Zimbabwe if considering both of team performance.

Yes, you're right about Zimbabwe's long-standing presence in international cricket since 1992. They've had their share of national-level matches and even qualified for the T20 World Cup a couple of times. However, it's true that they haven't been part of mega-events like the World Cup for several years, which can impact their performance.

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Quote from: Nazmul012 on January 14, 2024, 08:48:49 AM

The performance of zimbabwe team still on discussion but i think this is very common in Cricket history. Anything is possible in the field. Even A small team also defeated a big team so many times. moreover i haven't discussed about zimbabwe so long expect the previous ODI series between Zimbabwe Vs Sri Lanka. Rain anyhow saved Zimbabwe from losing their 1st Odi but in 2nd Odi, Zimbabwe had done decent scored and efforted to win but lost. Only 3rd odi, it played incredibly poor. Hope they'll learn from this match and do well in upcoming Matches with Sri Lanka.

In odi series of these teams Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka team effort was very good than Zimbabwe team effort and this series was end recently few days ago. In their 1 st ODI game, Sri Lanka set 273 runs target and this target was very big for Zimbabwe team but this game was not processed at last and after few overs of Sri Lanka then this game ended with no result. In 2 ODI game, Zimbabwe team made 209 runs target and Sri Lanka team chase down this all target and won this game by 2 wickets and 6 balls. In this game, Zimbabwe gave little bit problem to Sri Lanka team but they did not break down Sri Lanka team and lost this game. In 3 rd last game, due to DLS method Sri Lanka team won this game with good margin of wickets and balls, total 8 wickets and 62 balls left for bat. Zimbabwe team made very small target of 96 runs and Sri Lanka easily chase down this target. Now both these team T20 series started and 1 st game already overed and Sri Lanka also win this game and lead with one game.

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Yesterday, almost all the warmup matches in the U19 World Cup got washed out. Both India and Pakistan performed poorly in these matches. India Under-19s got bowled out for just 171 against Australia, with just Uday Saharan making any significant contribution with the bat. Australian pacers Charlie Anderson and Callum Vidler made life difficult for the Indian batsmen. However when rain interruption came, Australia was also in a spot of bother. They were 53/4, after Saumy Pandey and Dhanush Gowda picked up crucial wickets.

Really, both India sqaud U19 and Pakistan U19 sqaud performance in these warm up matches was not too good as we expected. But Australia U19 sqaud performance was also very bad in against India U19 squad match. India U19 sqaud collected 171 scores after playing 40 overs all batters of their sqaud cleared out and against sqaud Australia U19 sqaud also collected low quality scores when they played 16 overs out of 50 overs and collected 54 scores with lost of 4 batters and I see there was difficult job for Australia U19 sqaud to get victory in this match. I feel that all squads of ICC Under-19 World Cup Warm-up Matches competition are not taking these matches seriously and also they are not displayed actual performance in overall innings in these matches.

Ireland U19 squad against Zimbabwe U19 squad match is ongoing on crease and Ireland U19 sqaud has started this match begin batting inning and almost they finished their batting inning only few deliveries remained. Currently, Ireland U19 sqaud collected good scores as compare to other squads like India, Pakistan Australia etc

I am not very much worried about the warm-up matches, to be honest. I am much more interested in the group stage matches. You just going to start from 19th January. The group stage matches are going to be very interesting. At least a lot more interesting compared to the warm-up matches. And I honestly do not think anyone actually cares about warm-up matches. There will be too much is on 19 January. Among them, I am interested in the South Africa versus West Indies match. But I have to say something interesting caught my eye, there is no India versus Pakistan match in the group stage.

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Quote from: JahriMeayer on January 14, 2024, 03:31:23 AM

Quote from: JunaidAzizi on January 14, 2024, 01:11:51 AM

Zimbabwean team is too weak in fighting against the Sri Lankan team. Sri Lanka's team is much stronger as compared to Zimbabwe and secondly, their coaches did not prepare them well

Zimbabwe isn't new in field but that's no improvement in their performance for long. And yeah, they were too weak to fight against SL team but Zimbabwe lost, i doesn't mean SL is very strong. Actually Zimbabwe is very weak in my view. Cause team like Uganda beaten them and eliminated Zimbabwe from T20 world cup. What else do you think? Craig Ervine was the one , who scored in 2nd ODI, otherwise Zimbabwe wouldn't Crossed 200 run in 2nd ODi. Even in 1st ODI, they already lost 2 wickets within 12 runs when the target was 273 which is huge run by SL. They need proper guidelines to follow for get out of such poor performance and strong themselves for upcoming games.

Right, Zimbabwe is very old team you know they’re a member of ICC since 1992, and they played many national level matches even they two times qualified T20 world if i'm not mistake, so it’s seems they're not new in Cricket. Whatever since they are out of the mega events (as like world cup) for many years, good performance cannot be expected from them suddenly, so of course now Srilanka is the strong team to Zimbabwe if considering both of team performance.

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The performance of zimbabwe team still on discussion but i think this is very common in Cricket history. Anything is possible in the field. Even A small team also defeated a big team so many times. moreover i haven't discussed about zimbabwe so long expect the previous ODI series between Zimbabwe Vs Sri Lanka. Rain anyhow saved Zimbabwe from losing their 1st Odi but in 2nd Odi, Zimbabwe had done decent scored and efforted to win but lost. Only 3rd odi, it played incredibly poor. Hope they'll learn from this match and do well in upcoming Matches with Sri Lanka.

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Quote from: JahriMeayer on January 14, 2024, 03:31:23 AM

Zimbabwe isn't new in field but that's no improvement in their performance for long. And yeah, they were too weak to fight against SL team but Zimbabwe lost, i doesn't mean SL is very strong. Actually Zimbabwe is very weak in my view. Cause team like Uganda beaten them and eliminated Zimbabwe from T20 world cup. What else do you think? Craig Ervine was the one , who scored in 2nd ODI, otherwise Zimbabwe wouldn't Crossed 200 run in 2nd ODi. Even in 1st ODI, they already lost 2 wickets within 12 runs when the target was 273 which is huge run by SL. They need proper guidelines to follow for get out of such poor performance and strong themselves for upcoming games.

Zimbabwe recently failed to qualify for the 2024 T20I World Cup, after finishing at the 3rd place behind Namibia and Uganda in the African qualifiers. They also failed to qualify for the 2023 ODI World Cup, despite the fact that the tournament was hosted by Zimbabwe. Given this, I am not sure about the path ahead for them. Zimbabwe Cricket is supposed to receive $17.64 million this year from the ICC. Other promising member nations such as Nepal and Indonesia will be receiving less than 1/50th of the amount that ZC receives. This is not fair for the smaller teams.

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Quote from: JahriMeayer on January 14, 2024, 03:31:23 AM

Quote from: JunaidAzizi on January 14, 2024, 01:11:51 AM

Zimbabwean team is too weak in fighting against the Sri Lankan team. Sri Lanka's team is much stronger as compared to Zimbabwe and secondly, their coaches did not prepare them well

Zimbabwe isn't new in field but that's no improvement in their performance for long. And yeah, they were too weak to fight against SL team but Zimbabwe lost, i doesn't mean SL is very strong. Actually Zimbabwe is very weak in my view. Cause team like Uganda beaten them and eliminated Zimbabwe from T20 world cup. What else do you think? Craig Ervine was the one , who scored in 2nd ODI, otherwise Zimbabwe wouldn't Crossed 200 run in 2nd ODi. Even in 1st ODI, they already lost 2 wickets within 12 runs when the target was 273 which is huge run by SL. They need proper guidelines to follow for get out of such poor performance and strong themselves for upcoming games.

The Zimbabwean team played in the first ICC event in 1983. Their standard of play at the time predicted that they would popular in the cricketing world as one of the better cricketing nations in the future. But they have not been able to move towards that possibility till date. Sometimes their temporary good improvement was seen but it was not permanent. The players currently playing in the squad are not getting their form. It is difficult to consider a team winning depending on only 2-3 players. If the team does not have a collective performance then they can never expect to win. They have already lost the ODI series against Sri Lanka and can be expected to lose the T20s as well.

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