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Topic: OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored - page 9. (Read 2162 times)

legendary
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November 23, 2023, 11:53:36 AM
#8
Although this is bad news, MARA AND F2Pool currently have about a 15% share of all mined blocks.

But there is also Foundry with 27% and that one is a closed pool with only big guys in the US mining, mainly companies listed on the stock exchange, and those will need just a hint or an email from the ones overseeing these and they will start censoring too, the percentage of those transactions is so small it won't even make a tiny dent in their revenue.
What I'm grabbing my popcorn for is the moment they stop with the backlisting and start with the reverse thing, whitelisted addresses only in their blocks, so unless you do KYC with every single one of them wit all your addresses you might have to think of solo mining  Grin. And it's going to happen, I'm 99% sure they are already thinking of it but are just testing the waters for a while with smaller measure for a while, then, some will have a shock realizing how little decentralization we have in this aspect.
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November 23, 2023, 11:20:50 AM
#7
~snip~
In summary, the report concludes that these transactions were likely intentionally filtered by F2Pool, This raises the question of why F2Pool, a pool with origins in Asia, is the first pool to filter transactions based on US OFAC sanctions, especially considering that other transactions with similar or lower fee rates were included in the blocks.

I believe that the reason for this is that the US obviously has a much greater influence in that part of the world, whether it is pressure coming from politics, or they have something with which they hold that pool in their hands. In addition, it is much smarter to start experimenting in someone else's backyard and see how things will develop, and only then implement such measures in US mining based pools.

However, I remembered that we already had a similar discussion, only that time it was MARATHON pool, which was actually the first to mine something they called "clean block". Although this is bad news, MARA AND F2Pool currently have about a 15% share of all mined blocks.



MARA Pool mined its first 'clean' block today
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 10:47:16 AM
#6
When you have miners censoring addresses, it is like wallets [backends] (eg. Wasabi) censoring addresses - there is certainly no rule that requires miners to censor addresses, and there is enough competition that anyone who engages in this silly blacklisting is going to miss out on fees.

It is being altruist, in a greedy environment. From a game theory perspective, it is not sustainable.

*Also, fuck F2Pool. I could at least understand why a wallet would do it, but for a bitcoin miner to violate the decentralization of the network they directly profit from is a mortal sin.
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November 23, 2023, 10:38:33 AM
#5
This looks bad. If certain bitcoin transactions start to be censored on the basis of suspicions, we are in trouble.

I find myself uncertain about how to interpret all of this information. Despite the seemingly small number of just six transactions, the fact that such situations are possible raises concerns. I'm grappling with whether this should be a cause for worry in the future or if it's perhaps an overblown issue. The writer of the report leaves us with this:

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The Bitcoin network, however, continues to work as normal. A single pool filtering transactions does not affect the censorship resistance of the Bitcoin network as a whole. <...>

This is the best part of the news. As long as there are no pools that mimic this, as long as there is a large majority that resists, bitcoin transactions will remain uncensorable, because transactions that a censor miner decides not to mine will end up being mined by others.
sr. member
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November 23, 2023, 09:47:35 AM
#4
@Satofishi is the founder?
No wonder he was tagged a lot in the post.
So they couldn't even bring a concrete reason.
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Let's not pretend this has anything to do with him caring about whose transactions his pool is confirming.
I'm curious how could he tell they are terrorist
Is it written in their wallet address?

I saw his tweet but thought it was a reply against CZ's action
Turns out he is trying to reduce his crime
By comparing it with another criminal
IMO, his action is way worse than CZ.
With percentage like that he's like this
How would he act if it was 45%.
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 09:33:56 AM
#3
Here is the now-deleted tweet from the founder of F2Pool confirming they are blacklisting transactions:



Let's not pretend this has anything to do with him caring about whose transactions his pool is confirming. This has everything to do with complying with regulations to protect themselves at the expense of the community and the network. Anyone who is mining on F2Pool should be urgently moving to another pool which is not actively attacking bitcoin. Only a drop in hashrate and therefore a drop in their profits will stop F2Pool continuing down this road.
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November 23, 2023, 02:40:44 AM
#2
It would be really bad if this is true.
Which would mean they might have likely found a loophole.
Always been paranoid towards the growing hash of top mining pools.
Let's see their reply
Hopefully it can circumvent our worries.
If they really good in business they wouldn't try to beat the Blockchain protocol
Long term benefit is better than short terms.
More diversification of mining pools still needed.
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November 23, 2023, 01:54:53 AM
#1
Recently I was scrolling on Twitter(X) and I came across something rather interesting..

A bitcoin developer that I follow on there (@0xB10C) posted this on his page. [1]

Given the community's commitment to upholding the censorship resistance of our network, I deemed it appropriate to conduct a thorough reading.


Here's what I found:

Firstly, the developers project aims to detect instances where Bitcoin mining pools fail to mine transactions they could have included. The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a bureau in the U.S. Treasury Department, is responsible for enforcing economic and trade sanctions aligning with U.S. foreign policy, targeting countries, terrorists, and threats to national security. Over the past weeks, the project identified six missing transactions from OFAC-sanctioned addresses, prompting an investigation into whether these omissions were intentional or had alternative explanations.

The RSS feed reported missing transactions from ViaBTC, Foundry USA, and F2Pool, involving OFAC-sanctioned addresses.The analysis explores various reasons for transactions being absent from blocks, such as network propagation, individual node differences, and pool transaction prioritization. The primary goal is to determine whether mining pools intentionally filter OFAC-sanctioned transactions and assess the impact on Bitcoin's censorship-resistant properties.

One missing transaction from ViaBTC's block 808660 was due to the prioritization of other transactions by ViaBTC's Bitcoin Transaction Accelerator, indicating it was not intentionally filtered. Foundry USA's block 813231 did not include a sanctioned transaction due to potential delays in transaction propagation. Again, unintentional.
According to the report, the analysis suggests that F2Pool omitted transactions from OFAC-sanctioned addresses in blocks 810727, 811791, 811920, and 813357. The reasons for the omission vary for each block, but the common thread is the likelihood of intentional filtering by F2Pool. Here's a breakdown of the reasons for the omission in each block:

Block 810727:

F2Pool did not include this transaction, and instead, another transaction was included. The report suggests that the missing transaction had a slightly higher fee rate but was 3 vBytes smaller than the included transaction. Despite the fee rate advantage, the larger transaction was chosen.

Block 811791:

The report indicates that F2Pool omitted this transaction, and despite having enough space in the block, it was likely intentionally filtered. The presence of extra transactions in the block did not affect the inclusion of the sanctioned transaction, making intentional filtering more plausible.

Block 811920:

F2Pool did not include this large consolidation transaction in the block, and the report suggests that the transaction might not have propagated to F2Pool in time, but it's also likely that it was intentionally filtered. The transaction was marked as "recently broadcast" on mempool.space.

Block 813357:

F2Pool excluded this consolidation transaction from the block, and the report indicates that, similar to the case in block 811791, it's likely intentionally filtered. The transaction had been in the node’s mempool for more than 25 minutes, making it less likely that it wasn't known to F2Pool when building the block.


In summary, the report concludes that these transactions were likely intentionally filtered by F2Pool, This raises the question of why F2Pool, a pool with origins in Asia, is the first pool to filter transactions based on US OFAC sanctions, especially considering that other transactions with similar or lower fee rates were included in the blocks.

The original report can be found here. I highly encourage giving it a read. [2]

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I find myself uncertain about how to interpret all of this information. Despite the seemingly small number of just six transactions, the fact that such situations are possible raises concerns. I'm grappling with whether this should be a cause for worry in the future or if it's perhaps an overblown issue. The writer of the report leaves us with this:

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The Bitcoin network, however, continues to work as normal. A single pool filtering transactions does not affect the censorship resistance of the Bitcoin network as a whole. Further monitoring of the transaction selection of mining pools allows identifying when more pools start to filter transactions based on, for example, OFAC sanctions. It also allows miners pointing their hashrate to these pools to make an informed decision on switching to a different pool if they don’t agree with a pool’s (unannounced) filtering policies.


[1] https://x.com/0xB10C/status/1726964430460588201?s=20
[2] https://b10c.me/observations/08-missing-sanctioned-transactions/




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