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sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
July 09, 2013, 08:42:18 PM
About the refund policy, it was changed way before the orders were taken.

My definition of "way before" and yours are obviously vastly different

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Q. Do you issue refunds?

A. We can refund your order if it has not been shipped. Once your order is shipped, we won’t be able to issue you a refund.

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=terrahash.com+faq+refund&d=4689181941699424&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=T_8k06RNEoJUZOKig5KN9HykiIP1diRj



That snapshot is from 6/16/2013 and we started taking orders on 18th. In any case, the policy was changed BEFORE the orders were taken. How much before doesn't really matter.

It doesn't matter what you write or changed on your website, the law that you must abide by is clearly stated.

Are you saying that your company is above the law?
Or are you saying that you are just going to ignore it and deal with the consequences later?

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http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

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When You Must Cancel an Order

You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:

    the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;
    the customer does not respond to your first notice of a definite revised shipment date of 30 days or less and you have not shipped the merchandise or received the customer’s consent to a further delay by the definite revised shipment date;
    the customer does not respond to your notice of a definite revised shipment date of more than 30 days (or your notice that you are unable to provide a definite revised shipment date) and you have not shipped the merchandise within 30 days of the original shipment date;
    the customer consents to a definite delay and you have not shipped or obtained the customer’s consent to any additional delay by the shipment time the customer consented to;
    you have not shipped or provided the required delay or renewed option notices on time; or
    you determine that you will never be able to ship the merchandise.

legendary
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July 09, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
As you all know we are NOT designing the board or the software. We are just following BKKcoins. He just got his board working yesterday, and we are just following his footsteps.

If just following in footsteps how are you able to predict such a precise delivery date?

Are u able to post that Video TH? Or the proof of additional chips you said you secured?

TH can u please answer those three questions whall your online?
sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
July 09, 2013, 08:28:12 PM
About the refund policy, it was changed way before the orders were taken.

My definition of "way before" and yours are obviously vastly different

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Q. Do you issue refunds?

A. We can refund your order if it has not been shipped. Once your order is shipped, we won’t be able to issue you a refund.

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=terrahash.com+faq+refund&d=4689181941699424&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=T_8k06RNEoJUZOKig5KN9HykiIP1diRj



You might also want to learn the laws on refunds:
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

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When You Must Cancel an Order

You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:

    the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;
    the customer does not respond to your first notice of a definite revised shipment date of 30 days or less and you have not shipped the merchandise or received the customer’s consent to a further delay by the definite revised shipment date;
    the customer does not respond to your notice of a definite revised shipment date of more than 30 days (or your notice that you are unable to provide a definite revised shipment date) and you have not shipped the merchandise within 30 days of the original shipment date;
    the customer consents to a definite delay and you have not shipped or obtained the customer’s consent to any additional delay by the shipment time the customer consented to;
    you have not shipped or provided the required delay or renewed option notices on time; or
    you determine that you will never be able to ship the merchandise.

legendary
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July 09, 2013, 08:23:33 PM
As you all know we are NOT designing the board or the software. We are just following BKKcoins. He just got his board working yesterday, and we are just following his footsteps.

If just following in footsteps how are you able to predict such a precise delivery date?

Are u able to post that Video TH? Or the proof of additional chips you said you secured?
sr. member
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July 09, 2013, 08:11:54 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.


How could they invest the money if PayPal froze their account?


Has that been proven?

They said their account was frozen but they have mis-represented other stuff too.

Probably. Enough of the orders went through for them to be able to purchase what they need to complete the orders.  If you get your products by August 15 you're going to have a hard case to get your money back.  

sr. member
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July 09, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
Issue with PayPal has been resolved. We have access to the funds now.

About the refund policy, it was changed way before the orders were taken. We believe most of the refund claims being made now are because of the falling USD/BTC prices. The "item not received" claims being made on PayPal are deceiving and misleading, as everyone who placed an order knew that products would be delivered within two weeks of the delivery of the Avalon chips. This was also written on individual product pages. Some people are abusing the PayPal refund process by making false claims. Any how, we will be refunding all those orders now as a few people have showed interest in buying those cancelled orders. However, we are doing this as an exception and our refund policy is still the same.

We again stress that everything is going on-track, and we will deliver all the orders within the promised time-frame.



Did u guys get the video up yet?
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July 09, 2013, 08:06:33 PM
Issue with PayPal has been resolved. We have access to the funds now.

About the refund policy, it was changed way before the orders were taken. We believe most of the refund claims being made now are because of the falling USD/BTC prices. The "item not received" claims being made on PayPal are deceiving and misleading, as everyone who placed an order knew that products would be delivered within two weeks of the delivery of the Avalon chips. This was also written on individual product pages. Some people are abusing the PayPal refund process by making false claims. Any how, we will be refunding all those orders now as a few people have showed interest in buying those cancelled orders. However, we are doing this as an exception and our refund policy is still the same.

We again stress that everything is going on-track, and we will deliver all the orders within the promised time-frame.



And the promised video? <-- This is bound to be asked, so you may as well answer it as your are clearly active on this thread right now...
legendary
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July 09, 2013, 08:00:12 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.


How could they invest the money if PayPal froze their account?


Has that been proven?

They said their account was frozen but they have mis-represented other stuff too.

I dont know if we can find out if its  frozen since not our account.   All i know is when i did my paypal refund starting end of last monthish paypal was able to get the money to refund me.   Ofcourse with no TH support in effort.
sr. member
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July 09, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.


How could they invest the money if PayPal froze their account?


Has that been proven?

They said their account was frozen but they have mis-represented other stuff too.

now that he's alive send a reply and say video is late.
sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
July 09, 2013, 07:09:38 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.


How could they invest the money if PayPal froze their account?


Has that been proven?

They said their account was frozen but they have mis-represented other stuff too.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
July 09, 2013, 06:52:41 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.


How could they invest the money if PayPal froze their account?
legendary
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July 09, 2013, 04:23:55 PM
Just give them time, regardless of their own timelines, yes everyone agrees it is shitty for a company to make a promise and then be late on said promise (Note I didn't say break). But understand that them posting a video up won't get your boards any quicker.

THE ONLY TIMELINE THAT MATTERS IS THE TWO WEEK TIMELINE FROM WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE CHIPS TO DELIVERY.

You are absolutely right, good point.  But should I keep my order hoping they will stick to the only timeline that matters, even if they haven't stuck to any of the other ones that admittedly don't matter as much?  I don't know how to answer that at this point.  Hoping TH will show us something that pulls people back off the fence.  We all want to see them succeed, but nobody wants to be on a perpetual waiting list.

Apparently, their Timeline is a tactic, DELAY DELAY throw the dogs a bone here and there, until after Paypal releases the funds,,, then after that they own us and we are 100% at their mercy..... its becoming pretty clear

Dude, they don't own shit if you pay by card. Visa/Mcard have something like 6 years in which you can claim in the UK. Call your issuing bank and double check. Barclays in the UK for instance take over after Paypal's 45 days expires. I know Amex in the US does for sure...
I will do that "Dude" lol,,,but they still have a lot of time to spend that money after the 45 day mark and make life a little more miserable for people. I still hope we are all badly mistaken about terrahash, but they haven't done much to give us confidence about them.
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
July 09, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
Yea, I ordered on the 18th, so I'm not too sure I will wait that long, maybe till the 30th of July tops, but that is highly dependent on how forthcoming they are on the information part of things.

This is the biggest problem I see here, they could easily pay someone minimum wage / part-time and have them do nothing but give updates on what's going on and what progress they are making... As bad as BFL is, I have to admit I'd rather have a rude ass chick like BFL_Jody pissing me off in the daily update any day over,  silence....

Terrahash... I hope you are paying attention to the forum. I mean its only business you are losing I guess...?  Embarrassed

Less then minimum wage with Amazon mechanical turk:

https://www.mturk.com/mturk/
legendary
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July 09, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
I am paypal buyer, and am very concerned,,,,,  BTC and wires I would be horrified right about now. When I made my purchase with the help of paypal while on the phone as I was actually placing the order, the customer service rep assured me if for any reason I wanted or decided to cancel I had 45 days to do so, he said call them on day 44 and they can assist. So I'm trying to breath easy, and wait for something well defined from TH. I told him it was a start up early pre-order...and was concerned then,...and that's what he told me. He also was familiar with asics and bitcoin,,, so ,,,just repeating what I was told by them the day I ordered with there help, as I was having trouble with paypal going through.
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July 09, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
Just give them time, regardless of their own timelines, yes everyone agrees it is shitty for a company to make a promise and then be late on said promise (Note I didn't say break). But understand that them posting a video up won't get your boards any quicker.

THE ONLY TIMELINE THAT MATTERS IS THE TWO WEEK TIMELINE FROM WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE CHIPS TO DELIVERY.

You are absolutely right, good point.  But should I keep my order hoping they will stick to the only timeline that matters, even if they haven't stuck to any of the other ones that admittedly don't matter as much?  I don't know how to answer that at this point.  Hoping TH will show us something that pulls people back off the fence.  We all want to see them succeed, but nobody wants to be on a perpetual waiting list.

Apparently, their Timeline is a tactic, DELAY DELAY throw the dogs a bone here and there, until after Paypal releases the funds,,, then after that they own us and we are 100% at their mercy..... its becoming pretty clear

Dude, they don't own shit if you pay by card. Visa/Mcard have something like 6 years in which you can claim in the UK. Call your issuing bank and double check. Barclays in the UK for instance take over after Paypal's 45 days expires. I know Amex in the US does for sure...
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July 09, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Yea, I ordered on the 18th, so I'm not too sure I will wait that long, maybe till the 30th of July tops, but that is highly dependent on how forthcoming they are on the information part of things.

This is the biggest problem I see here, they could easily pay someone minimum wage / part-time and have them do nothing but give updates on what's going on and what progress they are making... As bad as BFL is, I have to admit I'd rather have a rude ass chick like BFL_Jody pissing me off in the daily update any day over,  silence....

Terrahash... I hope you are paying attention to the forum. I mean its only business you are losing I guess...?  Embarrassed
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No power in the 'verse can stop me.
July 09, 2013, 03:57:14 PM
This request was initiated two weeks ago. This was the second request for refund I submitted, and the above is the response received. I did pay with paypal however, so I think I will give them a couple days to show they have a hashing machine, and after that, its dispute time. I believe disputes have to be submitted to Paypal within 45 days correct?
45 days yes.  If your ordered on the first day you have until the 2nd to go through paypal.
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July 09, 2013, 03:47:02 PM
Initial Email:

Please refund this order, as this is the second request for refund.

Account: *******
Order# : 591

Response

Amir [email protected] via uservoice.com
2:02 PM (2 hours ago)

All the products are made on order. We are unable to process your refund at this time, as we have already invested your money into sourcing the components and other equipment. Your products would be delivered within the promised time-frame.
Helpful? Click to give Amir thanks!



David  <*******>
2:27 PM (2 hours ago)

To be clear, your blog says that you will ship by the 15th? Is this correct?



Amir via uservoice.com
3:55 PM (44 minutes ago)

to me
August 15th. Yes.

This request was initiated two weeks ago. This was the second request for refund I submitted, and the above is the response received. I did pay with paypal however, so I think I will give them a couple days to show they have a hashing machine, and after that, its dispute time. I believe disputes have to be submitted to Paypal within 45 days correct?
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July 09, 2013, 03:23:38 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.

https://i.imgur.com/Ku5IIO1.png

Yeah i got the same exact email.
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
July 09, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Just got back from the dentist and look what the friendly folks at TerraHash left for me.

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