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Quote from: TheSwede75 on June 19, 2013, 10:47:23 AM

Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:32:31 AM

So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

100% pure speculation of course. Since NO ONE has any damn clue as to what or how they are handling orders. It's freaking circus for now.

I wouldn't call it 100% pure speculation. This list assumes that they will fullfill orders by order number and is based completely on order data. They have come out and said they plan to cut out orders off the que that we're not paid for yesterday with the exception of bank transfers. But even that isn't completely clear as to how it will work.

I also would much rather trust the order data here than the whatever arbitrary date they could throw in an e-mail. The trust level at the moment isn't extremely high. This data should act as a method of confirming their e-mails unless they wish to make their order data public so dates can be validated by a 3rd party.

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Quote from: TheSwede75 on June 19, 2013, 10:46:29 AM

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All the Bitcoin/PayPal orders that have not been paid fully will be cancelled today. We have been misquoted, that we will wait 6-7 days. We will wait for 2-3 days for the orders marked as "Bank Transfers", for the transfers to come in.

We still need to know where 'in line' we are. I ordered within the first 20 min and made payment at the same time. If someone that just threw in 20 DX-Large and made a request for bank transfer so that he can sell his 'early orders' eats up all the first 10k avalon chips ahead of me I am certainly not interested in keeping my order. Sorry, but I think a lot of people feel the same way.

The largest order we have is 2 DX Larges.

We will send an email day after tomorrow to everyone know where they stand.

Exactly the info we need. The speculation can stop and we will all know within a few days. Well handled, by Terrahash.

That said, I would certainly not jump into a group buy or buy a pre-order unit or anything like it until this info is made public.

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Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:59:54 AM

This is list is completely based on the order data provided by your customers on this forum. Even if the 430 number is incorrect and the order number is actually 43x it doesn't make that big of a difference.

Users who submitted data please review the spreadsheet and confirm your information is correct. If not PM me or post in the Terrahash order thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238148.0;topicseen

I hope the first column is incorrect, you have me as the first order for batch 3 Cheesy

Guess we will find out soon enough when TH emails us.

Quote from: 58snow on June 19, 2013, 10:57:11 AM

BFL shipping in mass.
August

You people make me laugh Grin

That's exactly what I thought when I read that, lol

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Quote from: newmars on June 19, 2013, 10:43:05 AM

So the paid buyer with order#>540 like 600 may better consider an order cancellation?
Terrahash definitely needs to address this concern for all the buyers.

Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:32:31 AM

So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

The list provided in the link is incorrect. For instance, the first order number we have is 434. We don't have any orders numbers 430 and 431.

We will be sending an email tomorrow or day after to let everyone know when they can expect their orders to be shipped. You can then decide to keep the order or ask for a refund.

This is list is completely based on the order data provided by your customers on this forum. Even if the 430 number is incorrect and the order number is actually 43x it doesn't make that big of a difference.

Users who submitted data please review the spreadsheet and confirm your information is correct. If not PM me or post in the Terrahash order thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238148.0;topicseen

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Quote from: kendog77 on June 19, 2013, 10:33:04 AM

You only think difficulty will be 50M at the end of August when BFL is shipping in mass, ASICMiner deploys and sells their second generation blades, and hundreds of thousands of Avalon chips flood the market?

BFL shipping in mass.
August

You people make me laugh Grin

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Quote from: newmars on June 19, 2013, 10:43:05 AM

So the paid buyer with order#>540 like 600 may better consider an order cancellation?
Terrahash definitely needs to address this concern for all the buyers.

Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:32:31 AM

So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

The list provided in the link is incorrect. For instance, the first order number we have is 434. We don't have any orders numbers 430 and 431.

We will be sending an email tomorrow or day after to let everyone know when they can expect their orders to be shipped. You can then decide to keep the order or ask for a refund.

Excellent.

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Great! Thanks for taking care of this concern.
Knowing whether an order will be in the first batch would be critical for a lot of buyers to make decision, I think.

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Quote from: newmars on June 19, 2013, 10:43:05 AM

So the paid buyer with order#>540 like 600 may better consider an order cancellation?
Terrahash definitely needs to address this concern for all the buyers.

Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:32:31 AM

So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

The list provided in the link is incorrect. For instance, the first order number we have is 434. We don't have any orders numbers 430 and 431.

We will be sending an email tomorrow or day after to let everyone know when they can expect their orders to be shipped. You can then decide to keep the order or ask for a refund.

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Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:32:31 AM

So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

100% pure speculation of course. Since NO ONE has any damn clue as to what or how they are handling orders. It's freaking circus for now.

TheSwede75

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Quote from: ?? on ??

All the Bitcoin/PayPal orders that have not been paid fully will be cancelled today. We have been misquoted, that we will wait 6-7 days. We will wait for 2-3 days for the orders marked as "Bank Transfers", for the transfers to come in.

We still need to know where 'in line' we are. I ordered within the first 20 min and made payment at the same time. If someone that just threw in 20 DX-Large and made a request for bank transfer so that he can sell his 'early orders' eats up all the first 10k avalon chips ahead of me I am certainly not interested in keeping my order. Sorry, but I think a lot of people feel the same way.

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PayPal has marked our account for review, due to a sudden flow of a large amount of funds into our account yesterday. We have stopped accepting PayPal payments until everything is sorted out with PayPal.

This sucks

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So the paid buyer with order#>540 like 600 may better consider an order cancellation if delivery time is the main concern?
Terrahash definitely needs to address this concern for all the buyers.

Quote from: Cryptoin on June 19, 2013, 10:32:31 AM

So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

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Quote from: itod on June 18, 2013, 01:00:22 PM

Notice the name of the PNG file with the screenshot:

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Screen-shot-2013-06-18-at-10.37.14-AM.png

If the screenshot is taken today, shouldn't order status be "sample chips shipped" as with other orders? Not claiming anything, just asking.

I wonder that myself. Its still "procesing" when it should been "chips ordered"
Proceed with caution.

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Quote from: joeventura on June 19, 2013, 10:04:35 AM

Quote from: kendog77 on June 19, 2013, 09:54:39 AM

Quote from: merv77 on June 19, 2013, 09:20:27 AM

fresh news: http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-opens-asic-mining-preorders-loses-business/
cloudhash cancelling order... Cry

Interesting, so Terrahash did in fact take pre-order money from at least one big fish before they officially opened up pre-orders to the public. Perhaps the reason why they haven't been forthcoming about the 20k Avalon chip order described in the first post is because a lot of those chips are already accounted for.

The window to get any kind of ROI is so small that I suspect folks that don't get units by August will lose money. It would be nice to know which chip order (and the chip order date) is associated with each order in the queue.

I don't understand comments about ROI and losing money.

If you bought an 18GH unit for $900 and when it gets delivered the cost of BTC is $120 and the Difficulty is 50 million I am still producing $600 a month and break even is 45 days.

How do you lose money? I think the better term to use would be "Extended ROI window?"

You only think difficulty will be 50M at the end of August when BFL is shipping in mass, ASICMiner deploys and sells their second generation blades, and hundreds of thousands of Avalon chips flood the market?

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So I put together a spreadsheet which predicts whether an order number will fall in the first 10,000, 20,000 or beyond. I've linked to it below.

Currently the cutoff for the first 10,000 is between order 465 and 475. The cutoff for the first 20,000 is between order 515 and 540.

Terrahash Order Tracking

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Quote from: jdape on June 19, 2013, 10:26:59 AM

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How can they do payment first when they offer bank transfer and they have to wait for BTC Confirmations?

You can see when the Bitcoin payment was made nearly instantly, you just wouldn't ship a product before the payment was fully confirmed. Paying via Bitcoin would not move an order down the queue if it was based on pay-date.

Paying via Wire Transfer is a different story though. I suppose wire transfer payments would need to be given a time frame to come in since there's no way to tell when the wire was initiated.

True, but the orders should still be based on pay-time, which would be the time the wire was INITIATED.

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Agree with this

Quote from: TheSwede75 on June 19, 2013, 10:03:27 AM

ONLY acceptable behavior is:

1. Terrahash ships order by pay-date and not their phony 'order nr'
2. Terrahash discloses to PAID order holders if their order is within first 10k chip order, 2nd 10k chip order or on 3rd/later chip order.

Otherwise I am cancelling for refund ASAP!

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Bitcoin is the future...

I think its not good: http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-opens-asic-mining-preorders-loses-business/

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Quote from: joeventura on June 19, 2013, 10:04:35 AM

Quote from: kendog77 on June 19, 2013, 09:54:39 AM

Quote from: merv77 on June 19, 2013, 09:20:27 AM

fresh news: http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-opens-asic-mining-preorders-loses-business/
cloudhash cancelling order... Cry

Interesting, so Terrahash did in fact take pre-order money from at least one big fish before they officially opened up pre-orders to the public. Perhaps the reason why they haven't been forthcoming about the 20k Avalon chip order described in the first post is because a lot of those chips are already accounted for.

The window to get any kind of ROI is so small that I suspect folks that don't get units by August will lose money. It would be nice to know which chip order (and the chip order date) is associated with each order in the queue.

I don't understand comments about ROI and losing money.

If you bought an 18GH unit for $900 and when it gets delivered the cost of BTC is $120 and the Difficulty is 50 million I am still producing $600 a month and break even is 45 days.

How do you lose money? I think the better term to use would be "Extended ROI window?"

Beginner mistake. To calculate ROI you NEVER take BTC value into account. BTC/USD are traded @ spot, so you can ALWAYS purchase BTC at daily price and hold instead of purchasing a miner. The future gain/loss of BTC does not affect ROI of the miner.

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How can they do payment first when they offer bank transfer and they have to wait for BTC Confirmations?

You can see when the Bitcoin payment was made nearly instantly, you just wouldn't ship a product before the payment was fully confirmed. Paying via Bitcoin would not move an order down the queue if it was based on pay-date.

Paying via Wire Transfer is a different story though. I suppose wire transfer payments would need to be given a time frame to come in since there's no way to tell when the wire was initiated.

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Does anybody have any thoughts about the hosting option, I do not see many people choosing that, what are your reasons?

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