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newbie
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September 26, 2013, 12:06:53 AM
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The ones who kept saying stick in with TH they are working on it.  Believing their word without any proof should be ashamed if you made anyone wait past 45 days on paypal.  And caused even a few to lose cash.

I think it goes without saying that everyone on this forum is responsible only for their own financials. It is said in so many instances that you should not invest in BTC or mining unless you are ready to lose that amount you are investing.

Just my 5 euro cents.
legendary
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September 26, 2013, 12:05:55 AM
Some events happened last week, that have forced us to make a decision to go out of business. A lot of issues compounded to press us to do this. The failure of the Klondike project was one. Chase, our bank, shut down our accounts. Also the delay in the shipment of the chips has resulted in a lot of customers asking for refund. We already owe a lot of money to PayPal, and with all the refund requests, it is impossible for us to continue our operation profitably. So we have decided to dissolve the company.

We are going to ask for a refund from Yifu. As soon as we get a refund from him, we will start refunding all the orders. We will be able to refund about 50% of every order with this amount. We are trying to get our money out of Chase, which will help us refund another ~5% of each order. We are trying to return as many components as we can, and as soon as we get more money back, we will send additional pro-rated payments to each order.

Once we get a refund from Yifu, we will be sending an email to everyone asking for a current Bitcoin address where to send the payments.


So out of all the money you received, you blew through over half of it AFTER Yifu refunds the chip orders?

By rough estimates, you blew through $300,000 to $500,000.  Only offering a 55 percent refund on orders is lame.  

I can't imagine.  Well, I can.  Were you doing blow and buying Herman Miller chairs for the office or what?  How much skin do you have in the game here?


Well you know how it is, new company cars, trips to see venders and suppliers in other countrys, company picnics, (a few home repairs, new garage, remodels etc) just usual and customary business expenses. Oh and Im sure plenty of new highend high powered hashing gear, maybe 20-30 terrahashes worth, from cointerra, KNCminer paid for with untraceable currency, a/k/a (your pre order BTC funds) for their own personal use after the fact. Ya, running a small business can be brutal sometimes for the owners Smiley

I'll lay odds they took delivery of the chips and are rationalizing that they're going to mine their way out of debt.

I'll also lay odds that we'll hear even fewer and fewer updates from TerraHash as time moves on and this whole thing will just quietly disappear into the conversational background murmur of this forum.

Some have more skin in the game than others.  My sincerest regret to all those who, like myself, believed.  It is still possible to PayPal reverse.  If you need help with that, PM me.  I (and I'm sure others) can save you hours on the phone with 3rd world countries.  I suspect that this is the "PayPal debt" that Amir mentioned in his post.  I would have thought they would have frozen partial funds of Amir's account rather than let him empty it.  But at any rate, I'm sure PayPal's legal department will clean up this mess with Amir in the coming months/years.

They have had one board shown to hash at low speeds at HW errors.  They will not mine their way out of debt. 

TH as a company is dissolving ..... this means no more.  The mess cannot be cleaned up at this point.   PayPal can sue them, but they wont get near what TH owes them.  With banks, paypal, and credit cards all wanting money from TH chances are there is a good amount they just didnt pay.

Every salary, expense, or anything else they spent will NEVER be seen again.  Some will feed you lines like you can get Amirs assets and get it.... but in real world TH turned out to be shady company but with protection of INC, the owners still made salary and you will never see a lot again.
legendary
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September 26, 2013, 12:00:25 AM
I was never once wrong, game set match.

This is who you are deciding to lead you into a lawsuit... I wish you all the best of luck.

btceic i want to give you a big thumbs up.  You used reason and stuck up for logic.  You took a harder bashing then me on what they called trolling, or what is now called the truth.

I still want to share this day with knight!  Knight can you please confirm when they are refunding 50 percent?  Also how much they spent?  You vouching will mean the world....  Roll Eyes

With it being a Inc, any lawyer who does not charge hourly after researching this chances are will tell you to cut your losses unless you spent a rediclous amount of money.  They will NEVER be able to give 100 percent back, i still am willing to be Amir pulled in a nice salary.  So say you win take out lawyer fees, you and everyone else suing is fighting for a limited amount of cash.  You can will all your money in court against TH.... but if you win just example 100 dollars but they have 20 dollars to their name you will never get the rest.

The ones who kept saying stick in with TH they are working on it.  Believing their word without any proof should be ashamed if you made anyone wait past 45 days on paypal.  And caused even a few to lose cash.
gbx
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September 25, 2013, 11:45:55 PM
Some events happened last week, that have forced us to make a decision to go out of business. A lot of issues compounded to press us to do this. The failure of the Klondike project was one. Chase, our bank, shut down our accounts. Also the delay in the shipment of the chips has resulted in a lot of customers asking for refund. We already owe a lot of money to PayPal, and with all the refund requests, it is impossible for us to continue our operation profitably. So we have decided to dissolve the company.

We are going to ask for a refund from Yifu. As soon as we get a refund from him, we will start refunding all the orders. We will be able to refund about 50% of every order with this amount. We are trying to get our money out of Chase, which will help us refund another ~5% of each order. We are trying to return as many components as we can, and as soon as we get more money back, we will send additional pro-rated payments to each order.

Once we get a refund from Yifu, we will be sending an email to everyone asking for a current Bitcoin address where to send the payments.


So out of all the money you received, you blew through over half of it AFTER Yifu refunds the chip orders?

By rough estimates, you blew through $300,000 to $500,000.  Only offering a 55 percent refund on orders is lame.  

I can't imagine.  Well, I can.  Were you doing blow and buying Herman Miller chairs for the office or what?  How much skin do you have in the game here?


Well you know how it is, new company cars, trips to see venders and suppliers in other countrys, company picnics, (a few home repairs, new garage, remodels etc) just usual and customary business expenses. Oh and Im sure plenty of new highend high powered hashing gear, maybe 20-30 terrahashes worth, from cointerra, KNCminer paid for with untraceable currency, a/k/a (your pre order BTC funds) for their own personal use after the fact. Ya, running a small business can be brutal sometimes for the owners Smiley

I'll lay odds they took delivery of the chips and are rationalizing that they're going to mine their way out of debt.

I'll also lay odds that we'll hear even fewer and fewer updates from TerraHash as time moves on and this whole thing will just quietly disappear into the conversational background murmur of this forum.

Some have more skin in the game than others.  My sincerest regret to all those who, like myself, believed.  It is still possible to PayPal reverse.  If you need help with that, PM me.  I (and I'm sure others) can save you hours on the phone with 3rd world countries.  I suspect that this is the "PayPal debt" that Amir mentioned in his post.  I would have thought they would have frozen partial funds of Amir's account rather than let him empty it.  But at any rate, I'm sure PayPal's legal department will clean up this mess with Amir in the coming months/years.
donator
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between a rock and a block!
September 25, 2013, 11:35:47 PM
You have to be a total idiot to send btc or a wire transfer to ANYONE who promises to deliver something sometime to you. (Instead of in stock product)

At least, send PayPal or credit card but dispute if nothing is received within the 45 days.
There are business people here who don't fall in love with an idea and execute and there are suckers here.

Where do you land?

PS I disputed right before 45 days and got 100% back.  Thesweede75 can confirm.
legendary
Activity: 2198
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September 25, 2013, 11:19:04 PM
Some events happened last week, that have forced us to make a decision to go out of business. A lot of issues compounded to press us to do this. The failure of the Klondike project was one. Chase, our bank, shut down our accounts. Also the delay in the shipment of the chips has resulted in a lot of customers asking for refund. We already owe a lot of money to PayPal, and with all the refund requests, it is impossible for us to continue our operation profitably. So we have decided to dissolve the company.

We are going to ask for a refund from Yifu. As soon as we get a refund from him, we will start refunding all the orders. We will be able to refund about 50% of every order with this amount. We are trying to get our money out of Chase, which will help us refund another ~5% of each order. We are trying to return as many components as we can, and as soon as we get more money back, we will send additional pro-rated payments to each order.

Once we get a refund from Yifu, we will be sending an email to everyone asking for a current Bitcoin address where to send the payments.


So out of all the money you received, you blew through over half of it AFTER Yifu refunds the chip orders?

By rough estimates, you blew through $300,000 to $500,000.  Only offering a 55 percent refund on orders is lame.  

I can't imagine.  Well, I can.  Were you doing blow and buying Herman Miller chairs for the office or what?  How much skin do you have in the game here?


Well you know how it is, new company cars, trips to see venders and suppliers in other countrys, company picnics, (a few home repairs, new garage, remodels etc) just usual and customary business expenses. Oh and Im sure plenty of new highend high powered hashing gear, maybe 20-30 terrahashes worth, from cointerra, KNCminer paid for with untraceable currency, a/k/a (your pre order BTC funds) for their own personal use after the fact. Ya, running a small business can be brutal sometimes for the owners Smiley
gbx
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September 25, 2013, 10:50:03 PM
Some events happened last week, that have forced us to make a decision to go out of business. A lot of issues compounded to press us to do this. The failure of the Klondike project was one. Chase, our bank, shut down our accounts. Also the delay in the shipment of the chips has resulted in a lot of customers asking for refund. We already owe a lot of money to PayPal, and with all the refund requests, it is impossible for us to continue our operation profitably. So we have decided to dissolve the company.

We are going to ask for a refund from Yifu. As soon as we get a refund from him, we will start refunding all the orders. We will be able to refund about 50% of every order with this amount. We are trying to get our money out of Chase, which will help us refund another ~5% of each order. We are trying to return as many components as we can, and as soon as we get more money back, we will send additional pro-rated payments to each order.

Once we get a refund from Yifu, we will be sending an email to everyone asking for a current Bitcoin address where to send the payments.


So out of all the money you received, you blew through over half of it AFTER Yifu refunds the chip orders?

By rough estimates, you blew through $300,000 to $500,000.  Only offering a 55 percent refund on orders is lame. 

I can't imagine.  Well, I can.  Were you doing blow and buying Herman Miller chairs for the office or what?  How much skin do you have in the game here?

gbx
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September 25, 2013, 09:16:01 PM
OMG - Terrahash folds, and the trolls are still arguing to protect their egos.


Say with me.

1. 2. 3. - I'm over it.

Now get over it... and get on with business, whatever business you have besides defending your precious ego.
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
September 25, 2013, 09:12:59 PM
Never, my wallet is too darn big and my intentions too pure.

Textbook Megalomaniac.


Never underesitmate megalomaniacs! That's MY tribe, dammit! Smiley
hero member
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September 25, 2013, 09:04:20 PM
Never, my wallet is too darn big and my intentions too pure.

Textbook Megalomaniac.

legendary
Activity: 1372
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Anarchy is not chaos.
September 25, 2013, 08:27:17 PM
Ya know something... I sure am going to miss this thread one day..... Smiley I hope it doesnt get closed anytime soon,,,, so much more to do in here...

We are in agreeance! I'm going to miss my biggest fans. The trolls in here have utterly and undeniably outdone themselves but alas none were effective on me Smiley

So, you in? Smiley

First post right below yours.

I have a modest proposal for Bargraphics, Atomicchaos, and possibly MinermanNC.

It is obvious that the three of you have personal problems with each other. Ok, two of you with Bar, to be specific. And it's obvious that all three of you are proud men who don't like to back down.

So.

Why don't y'all come out to Idaho and fight it out. I'll sell tickets, video the event, and split the profits with you.

Sounds like a plan, I'll donate my profits to them so they can buy a clue.

Oops. Missed it Smiley

could be fun.
legendary
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September 25, 2013, 07:46:03 PM
I was never once wrong, game set match.

BAR, Just a suggestion:

I think it might just be easier just for you to simply say I was wrong about TH, and they sure had me fooled all along and Im sorry for defending them, lesson learned. And to Atomic and any others that I attacked or mocked, in the name of Terrahash's defense,  I apologize .

Thats all you have to say and Im sure we would all try to understand that maybe the thrill of all that hashing power simply went to your head and now your back down to earth with the rest of us Smiley
MMNC  Wink
sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 25, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
I was never once wrong, game set match.

This is who you are deciding to lead you into a lawsuit... I wish you all the best of luck.
hero member
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September 25, 2013, 07:33:24 PM
I was never once wrong, game set match.

Take a look, it may help in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania
hero member
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September 25, 2013, 07:28:18 PM
[mumble mumble I'm Bargraphics second biggest fan mumble mumble]

I'll send my plane/driver for you too right after Atomic.

Your plane is going to earn it's wings then if you send it to everyone that has called you out correctly in this thread. Maybe you'd be better off renting out a jumbo jet and having us meet in a central location. You don't give yourself enough credit, you've got a lot of people that are enjoying watching you making every attempt to avoid the basic fact of you being completely ignorant to the truth in 99% of this thread.

I know, you got sucked in, because you're such a trusting soul. Wait, aren't you busy organizing the group lawsuit? Shouldn't you go back to ignoring me for the 40th time? That's right, nothing that comes out of your mouth comes close to resembling any sort of factual based comment.

I'm simply doing what you would have done if all the miners got shipped, but I would have honorably admitted that you were right instead of trying to protect my fragile ego. Turns out that didn't need to happen though, you've been wrong all along about this and most other ventures. Let me guess, family inheritance?
newbie
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September 25, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
Send the refunds
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September 25, 2013, 07:10:30 PM
What a disaster.  I hope someone has the balls to sue Yifu finally, instead of just threatening to and hoping that will be enough to get him to do something.  He won't. 
hero member
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Someone is sitting in the shade today...
September 25, 2013, 07:00:42 PM
Some events happened last week, that have forced us to make a decision to go out of business. A lot of issues compounded to press us to do this. The failure of the Klondike project was one. Chase, our bank, shut down our accounts. Also the delay in the shipment of the chips has resulted in a lot of customers asking for refund. We already owe a lot of money to PayPal, and with all the refund requests, it is impossible for us to continue our operation profitably. So we have decided to dissolve the company.

We are going to ask for a refund from Yifu. As soon as we get a refund from him, we will start refunding all the orders. We will be able to refund about 50% of every order with this amount. We are trying to get our money out of Chase, which will help us refund another ~5% of each order. We are trying to return as many components as we can, and as soon as we get more money back, we will send additional pro-rated payments to each order.

Once we get a refund from Yifu, we will be sending an email to everyone asking for a current Bitcoin address where to send the payments.


Thank you for at least coming on here and letting us know.

It has been stated multiple times that the community understands how much Yifu has screwed us over and there are other group buys that couldn't give back 100% as well, but that didn't stop them from communicating.


Please keep us up to date with Time frames.

Thank you.

Initially i thought bargraphics is just a moron, but it should be obvious by now he is nothing but a shill for TH.  Just look at the timing of those posts and what is said:

1) Up until 2 weeks ago, Bargraphics defends TH like a whore on nickel night, trying to convince everyone not to file for chargeback/refund and insults anyone with a different opinion. He is also the first order in line.

2) Once the public opinion completely turned against TH - all the talks of lawsuits started, Bargraphics did a 180 and decided to lead the charge try to get everyone who wants to file lawsuit

3) Finally when he dug himself a hole so deep he cant get out anymore, terrahash mysteriously appears after weeks of silence to post this 50% refund bullshit, and bargraphics happily agrees to wait again, holding up everyone who he managed to get who wants to file the suit...

4) In regards to TH, it is nothing but fraud (criminal), they did not spend 50% of your money on "equipments" etc.. the only thing they spent on was the avalon chip orders and that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the money they received from the orders. Oh yeah, TH also got a few steel cases, handful of half working boards and some resistors.  It's flat out fraud and stealing, anyone who is stupid enough not to see this is blind.

As I said before, the only thing this little shit bargraphics will accomplish for you is wasting your time and money. But it's pretty clear this is his goal all along since day 1.

If you are serious about getting your money back file in small claim it's much more efficient and faster for anything <$10k.  For international buyers, unfortunately you do need to hire an attorney.

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
September 25, 2013, 06:46:32 PM
My money is on atomicchaos.  Because Bargraphics loses at pretty much anything he gets involved in.

I'm heavily invested in ICEDRILL now, sucks for you.

Ya I know.  Hence my use of the "pretty much" qualifier.

I'm pleased you've come around and decided to

ALWAYS BET ON iCE...
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
September 25, 2013, 06:40:13 PM
You mean the guy that was right since day one? I get your ego speak. I know you need the limelight, and I'll give you your 5 minutes of fame. Just let me know when and where, and I'll be glad to come meet the loud mouth blowhard that can't admit when he's wrong.

There's a place nearby called Texas de Brazil.
4112 W. Boy Scout Blvd.
Tampa, FL 33607

Like I said let me know what time works for you since I'm nearby.

My treat for my biggest fan.

How about you send your private jet?

Sure it will be waiting at your nearest airport, I'll even have my driver pick you up. Where should I tell him to meet you?

Let me get this straight so I can create a wager on BetsofBitco.in!

Bargraphics is flying atomicchaos out to Florida for a nice lunch.

Then (after a few too many margaritas) they're going to fight, to decide something about TerraHash or whatever.

Which will go down something like this:



My money is on atomicchaos.  Because Bargraphics loses at pretty much anything he gets involved in.
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