I'd like everyone to join me in reflection of Bargraphic's great contributions to this thread, and for keeping everyone upbeat about TH's business. Here's volume one of his past favorites... His account may have been hacked, and that terrible person deleted his posts, but we can get them back so his memory will live on!
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Ok guys, here's the deal. Given the current conditions (rising difficulty, Avalon uncertainty, etc.), a lot of people who ordered chips from Avalon are willing to resell their chips at cost price. This was not true a month ago or so, when we made a deal to acquire two additional orders for a premium (We never bought those orders, but only made a deal to pay a premium once they had chips in hand). We have decided to scrap those deals and instead buy chip orders from people who want to get out by selling their order for the price they paid. We have got 3 offers so far. We will re-open pre-orders after buying these.
We will keep you posted on this development.
Also, all these 3 offers are for May orders.
We will keep you posted on this development.
Also, all these 3 offers are for May orders.
Just saw this. Funny i thought claimed to have proof for all chip orders, now they say they never bought them on the extra early orders that were almost impossible to find when they claimed they did. This only in hand clause was never told to anyone when company showed off orders and vouched they had them all.
Ohhhh TH i don't miss the days of being a customer of yours. And they are willing to re-open pre-orders! Want to take bets on if this batch of pre-orders does not include paypal option?
Exactly.
These guys are scammers.
Look, let me just point out some minor details that are major red flags-- terrahash doesnt even have PSUs or cases ready to this day!
It is pretty clear cut what their intentions were.
And here we were worried about Avalon chips arriving...
Once we started asking for proof we start finding out the reason why he couldn't produce any evidence...
NOTHING is in place to fulfill our orders from what I have seen.
IMHO
1. Root cause of reopening pre-orders: not enough cash to buy a new life and retire
2. Terrahash game plan: It is clear for terrahash. Its now or never. Passports in place. Fund transfers to offshore complete.
Do the right thing terrahash. Refund your customers in full...
lets just redirect our brain powers in pushing terrahash for answers...
Where are these overdue promised items:
1. Pictures of the DX Mini
2. Picture of a completed Klondike 16 w/ heat sink
3. Hashing rate reaching promised rate (not prototype.. i'd expect terrahash to have this down by now hopefully)
4. Invoice/POs of all components
5. Project timing for each step (project management style)
We will all rest better and be more willing to wait when we see those listed.
Otherwise, we feel like we need a refund. Simply because you've over promised and under delivered so far.
Time to rectify the Public Relations trajectory if you want repeat customers.
Terrahash, You dont have a product problem (crossing my fingers), you have a relationship problem with your customers.
Where are these overdue promised items:
1. Pictures of the DX Mini
2. Picture of a completed Klondike 16 w/ heat sink
3. Hashing rate reaching promised rate (not prototype.. i'd expect terrahash to have this down by now hopefully)
4. Invoice/POs of all components
5. Project timing for each step (project management style)
We will all rest better and be more willing to wait when we see those listed.
Otherwise, we feel like we need a refund. Simply because you've over promised and under delivered so far.
Time to rectify the Public Relations trajectory if you want repeat customers.
Terrahash, You dont have a product problem (crossing my fingers), you have a relationship problem with your customers.
We're back to this again? It's only been a few weeks and we're back to demanding proof of things??
We have seen their chip orders, seen them basically get endorsed by BKKcoins, seen them get their board hashing, seen their offices, and seen them take a regular part in the forum. Now you are saying you need to see POs for parts, finished boards (though the chips aren't here yet), and their project management plan? I think Terrahash has provided everything we need to see to know that they are legitimate. Do you need to see their credit card statements and home utility bills too? I'm with Joe on this, we just need to know when the chips arrive. That is all that matters. That is not something TH can control. Everyone is waiting for Yifu to send the chips. I would recommend reading this entire thread and spare us the fear mongering. This is the same garbage we see on other threads.... we need to see proof of.... you name it.
When I managed forex accounts I always told my clients "do not invest your rent". Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. But, I'll take it one step further, don't invest if you don't have the stomach for it. We all bought pre-orders, which the delivery of said pre-orders had multiple variables. Some of the variables are controlled by our seller, in this case TH. I think they have been working to hold up their end of things. The most important factor, chips, are not in their control. I don't think showing us a PO for pcbs and heatsinks is going to change our circumstances. You'll just demand to see something else next week. I personally verified that TH is legitimate and has the stated number of chips on order. They have contributed to BKK's work on the K16, which can be verified in his thread. I live a little over an hour from TH and have visited them twice. I do not see a need to go there now and check for boxes of heatsinks and pcbs. Even if I did, I'm sure some people would complain about something else and demand proof thereof. Read other threads and you'll see that everyone is upset about Avalon not sending the chips on time. Someone mentioned that only a small group of us are holding our orders? I'm sure the majority of people who ordered are holding their orders. Unless you spend 5-10x the original cost of a board or miner on ebay, you are waiting. Doesn't really matter who you buy from at this point. You could buy 100 asicminer usbs...
I want to note that TH told me that when they bought the 2 additional early May pre-orders (from an individual in the bay area) they did so at a premium. They wanted to make sure that there would be enough chips for all of us to be in the "first batch". I think they have done a lot to try to accommodate us and make sure that we all get what we paid for in a timely manner. Their money is tied up in paying for all of the parts that will complete our boards.
In some ways, I wish they would refund people asking for it, so we could buy your extra boards and be done with your complaining in this thread. nuff said.
Ya know, i appreciated that you went out there and took those videos and showed us the work in progress-klondike unit and I thought "wow! what a swell guy! we are lucky to have members in the community that will make this bitcoin work!". But now I am going through reading your pro-terrahash posts and talking down anyone who has ANY doubts whatsoever, I think I have to re-evaluate that initial misled thought.
I get it, you're not here to make friends.
And yes, I get it, Terrahash is at the mercy of Avalon
And no, I am not interested in arguing with you or trying to bestow the same kindness you've shown me or anyone with doubts and concerns about their orders.
BUT
What I AM interested in, is whether or not Terrahash has performed all the obligations to their customers (less avalon chips) to fulfill the orders.
I cannot fathom why anyone would not welcome this request for common courtesy that we, the customers, are entitled to.
(unless some units were furnished with sample chip shipments received to certain individuals for crowd control perhaps? Like the Nazis provided preferential treatment to certain selected jews to keep them marching into the gas chambers)
Let me put it this way, my gut tells me that terrahash do NOT have everything they need to mass produce our orders simply based on the inconsistencies of their stories, flip flopping, misleading statements, etc they have publicly displayed thus far.
So let me once again invite Terrahash to clear its name in the public forum once and for all.
If Terrahash cannot, please refund all monies owed immediately as you are no where near meeting your obligations EVEN IF Avalon delivers tomorrow.
Therefore Terrahash is breaking the basic premises (not force majeure in this case, like you have suggested) for which we, misled customers, have willingly taken the risk to provide funds and await patiently for months, interest free.
Should've known this was gonna happen within a week Terrahash got caught lying to us that they were gonna scam us...
It's clear now that Terrahash are engaging in dishonest business practices.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
It is a Inc. with deciding to close it chances are Amir could care less on fines. TH is its own legal entity assuming set up right.
They can owe millions in fines.... but if corporation is closed you cant get money out of something dried out. There will no doubt be some money left and will be separated by creditors and those who sue.
But at end of day Amir is sitting back still getting paid a salary chances are right now.
Knight where are you!!!! The one of few people to meet Amir. And also who somehow managed to see Amir to log into one account and see 40k chip orders.... yet 20k just went poof! I still (and this is my personal opinion) wonder if he something with TH. We do know he had a special deal to pick up boards he talked about..... was there anything else? Who knows.
You may be incorrect on your assumptions or previous knowledge,
http://www.law360.com/articles/398949/ftc-says-telemarketer-s-ch-11-is-sham-to-avoid-113m-fine
Quote
Law360, New York (December 05, 2012, 9:39 PM ET) -- The Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday urged a federal court to dismiss a get-rich-quick real estate business owner's Chapter 11 case, agreeing with a U.S. trustee that the California man filed in bad faith to avoid paying the agency $113 million in fines.
I will try and find the full article.
TH will go away completely its like 1.5kish or less depending to dissolve a Inc. They are not declaring chapter 11..... the company will go poof! So sadly unless Amir set up Inc. wrong or broke some mingling of personal and business assets he will most likely never feel any hurt from it.
Even if they dissolve, run off to Poland, or whatever. The money is in the banks and will go to their creditors and those who paid for a product they didn't receive. I don't know about the Bitcoin but I'm sure their is probably a way to recover it also.
It's clear now that Terrahash are engaging in dishonest business practices.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
It is a Inc. with deciding to close it chances are Amir could care less on fines. TH is its own legal entity assuming set up right.
They can owe millions in fines.... but if corporation is closed you cant get money out of something dried out. There will no doubt be some money left and will be separated by creditors and those who sue.
But at end of day Amir is sitting back still getting paid a salary chances are right now.
Knight where are you!!!! The one of few people to meet Amir. And also who somehow managed to see Amir to log into one account and see 40k chip orders.... yet 20k just went poof! I still (and this is my personal opinion) wonder if he something with TH. We do know he had a special deal to pick up boards he talked about..... was there anything else? Who knows.
You may be incorrect on your assumptions or previous knowledge,
http://www.law360.com/articles/398949/ftc-says-telemarketer-s-ch-11-is-sham-to-avoid-113m-fine
Quote
Law360, New York (December 05, 2012, 9:39 PM ET) -- The Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday urged a federal court to dismiss a get-rich-quick real estate business owner's Chapter 11 case, agreeing with a U.S. trustee that the California man filed in bad faith to avoid paying the agency $113 million in fines.
I will try and find the full article.
TH will go away completely its like 1.5kish or less depending to dissolve a Inc. They are not declaring chapter 11..... the company will go poof! So sadly unless Amir set up Inc. wrong or broke some mingling of personal and business assets he will most likely never feel any hurt from it.
I really don't have anything against Bargraphics. I doubt he is a shill but who knows for sure? He had an early order, so he didn't want TH to go out of business. Was a little exuberant. That's the way I see it. I don't really understand why so many like to argue with him. One day it's congratulations on your new baby. The next day, time to kick him while he's down. Maybe he's trying to redeem himself by helping those he might have mistakenly mislead get money back. But a lot of you believe he is just trying to delay things.
You can read through this thread and see exactly how this whole thing unfolded. Instead of relying on faulty memory. So it should be saved to be able to accurately tell who is at fault.
You can read through this thread and see exactly how this whole thing unfolded. Instead of relying on faulty memory. So it should be saved to be able to accurately tell who is at fault.
First off, if his lawyer did tell him to delete them, it means your not only screwing him over for posting them on pastebin but screwing EVERYONE ELSE over who is going into the lawsuit with him.
If I am correct, you got your refund? Help us get ours, or get out of the thread. Your annoying. Your not helping but only arguing. Just let it go and help the rest for fuck sakes.
If I am correct, you got your refund? Help us get ours, or get out of the thread. Your annoying. Your not helping but only arguing. Just let it go and help the rest for fuck sakes.
First off, yes I have a big beef with Bargraphics, I'll be the first to admit it
. I've called him out for cheerleeding since day one, brushed off his constant attacks, and I gave him an opportunity to let things blow over by simply coming here and apologizing for the crap he spewed. He couldn't be a man, and instead runs and hides. I have no beef with anyone else here (not even Knight), and want nothing more than to see everyone get their refund. I know you're desperate, and I don't blame you at all for reaching out to Bar to hold on to hope of getting your money back. The bottom line is he's a clueless, arrogant, megalomaniac that isn't going to do a damn thing for you.
I apologize for any impact that you think I might have on your chances of getting money back, but I can assure you, I will not let up on Bar. Maybe he can be a man and admit his mistakes, and then we can be done?
We both know that won't happen. So, the archives of this thread live on. He's proven he's a pathetic shill.
It is very sad but i think you will have best luck on your own if you do sue (and doing it in timely manner is key at this point). And make SURE to try PayPal, CreditCard, and Bank depending on what you paid with. If you get turned down try calling back.... getting a manager. Different person can change everything also be nice to person on other end, if your nice better chance of getting something out of them.
Bar convinced people not to get refunds... I'm sorry for the ones who listened. And sorry for his buddy Knight who went silent aswell.
First off, if his lawyer did tell him to delete them, it means your not only screwing him over for posting them on pastebin but screwing EVERYONE ELSE over who is going into the lawsuit with him.
If I am correct, you got your refund? Help us get ours, or get out of the thread. Your annoying. Your not helping but only arguing. Just let it go and help the rest for fuck sakes.
If I am correct, you got your refund? Help us get ours, or get out of the thread. Your annoying. Your not helping but only arguing. Just let it go and help the rest for fuck sakes.
First off, yes I have a big beef with Bargraphics, I'll be the first to admit it
. I've called him out for cheerleeding since day one, brushed off his constant attacks, and I gave him an opportunity to let things blow over by simply coming here and apologizing for the crap he spewed. He couldn't be a man, and instead runs and hides. I have no beef with anyone else here (not even Knight), and want nothing more than to see everyone get their refund. I know you're desperate, and I don't blame you at all for reaching out to Bar to hold on to hope of getting your money back. The bottom line is he's a clueless, arrogant, megalomaniac that isn't going to do a damn thing for you.
I apologize for any impact that you think I might have on your chances of getting money back, but I can assure you, I will not let up on Bar. Maybe he can be a man and admit his mistakes, and then we can be done?
We both know that won't happen. So, the archives of this thread live on. He's proven he's a pathetic shill.
Oh look, he actually did go back and delete them, but I have them logged now. What a pansy, needs to hide how wrong he was. Man up Bar.
I was just going to post this, he had over 1000 posts as of yesterday! I guess his lawyer told him to delete all of those cheerleading posts!
I already archived them all and will post them to pastebin shortly.
This thread is a treasure chest of evidence. It's a good idea to save all the posts.
First off, if his lawyer did tell him to delete them, it means your not only screwing him over for posting them on pastebin but screwing EVERYONE ELSE over who is going into the lawsuit with him.
If I am correct, you got your refund? Help us get ours, or get out of the thread. Your annoying. Your not helping but only arguing. Just let it go and help the rest for fuck sakes.
Your not actually believing anything that Bargraphics has said are you?
Let me spell it out for you Bargraphics just FUCKED YOU, SPIT ON YOU for the last 4 months and then had the balls to try and cover it up.
What about all of this do you not understand?
Oh look, he actually did go back and delete them, but I have them logged now. What a pansy, needs to hide how wrong he was. Man up Bar.
I was just going to post this, he had over 1000 posts as of yesterday! I guess his lawyer told him to delete all of those cheerleading posts!
I already archived them all and will post them to pastebin shortly.
This thread is a treasure chest of evidence. It's a good idea to save all the posts.
First off, if his lawyer did tell him to delete them, it means your not only screwing him over for posting them on pastebin but screwing EVERYONE ELSE over who is going into the lawsuit with him.
If I am correct, you got your refund? Help us get ours, or get out of the thread. Your annoying. Your not helping but only arguing. Just let it go and help the rest for fuck sakes.
Agreed.
And can this thread be locked?
And can this thread be locked?
Oh look, he actually did go back and delete them, but I have them logged now. What a pansy, needs to hide how wrong he was. Man up Bar.
I was just going to post this, he had over 1000 posts as of yesterday! I guess his lawyer told him to delete all of those cheerleading posts!
I already archived them all and will post them to pastebin shortly.
This thread is a treasure chest of evidence. It's a good idea to save all the posts.
It's clear now that Terrahash are engaging in dishonest business practices.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
It is a Inc. with deciding to close it chances are Amir could care less on fines. TH is its own legal entity assuming set up right.
They can owe millions in fines.... but if corporation is closed you cant get money out of something dried out. There will no doubt be some money left and will be separated by creditors and those who sue.
But at end of day Amir is sitting back still getting paid a salary chances are right now.
Knight where are you!!!! The one of few people to meet Amir. And also who somehow managed to see Amir to log into one account and see 40k chip orders.... yet 20k just went poof! I still (and this is my personal opinion) wonder if he something with TH. We do know he had a special deal to pick up boards he talked about..... was there anything else? Who knows.
You may be incorrect on your assumptions or previous knowledge,
http://www.law360.com/articles/398949/ftc-says-telemarketer-s-ch-11-is-sham-to-avoid-113m-fine
Quote
Law360, New York (December 05, 2012, 9:39 PM ET) -- The Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday urged a federal court to dismiss a get-rich-quick real estate business owner's Chapter 11 case, agreeing with a U.S. trustee that the California man filed in bad faith to avoid paying the agency $113 million in fines.
I will try and find the full article.
It's clear now that Terrahash are engaging in dishonest business practices.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
If they were not, they would be happy to refund customers who are no longer willing to wait. We get they had Avalon issues, but this is no excuse for not refunding customers as required by the law. They continue to not only ignore refund requests (against the law), but nearly any and all communications have virtually ceased via email, phone, their own support contact system on the website, in addition they have broken nearly every single promise to date, and continue to lie to the community about who they are, what the are doing and when their own customers can see any type of resolution.
It turns out anyone can file a complaint with the FTC, not just US based customers. Terrahash could be liable for a fine of $16,000 for each violation (see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-could-be-fined-16000-for-each-product-the-fail-to-ship-279330)
File a complaint right now at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ - Many people already have filed complaints over the last few days and weeks.
The FTC uses statistical analysis to detect fraud and helps them decide who to devote time prosecuting. Let's pull out the big guns. This will either turn Terrahash into an honest company and provide remedy to their customers, or make them face the consequences. We need complaints in numbers, so if you have been ripped off or treated badly, we need you.
Terrahash are sullying the reputation of Bitcoin. We must all stick together and help clean this mess up. Report your dissatisfaction to the the US Federal Trade Commission today at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ and help the entire bitcoin community.
It is a Inc. with deciding to close it chances are Amir could care less on fines. TH is its own legal entity assuming set up right.
They can owe millions in fines.... but if corporation is closed you cant get money out of something dried out. There will no doubt be some money left and will be separated by creditors and those who sue.
But at end of day Amir is sitting back still getting paid a salary chances are right now.
Knight where are you!!!! The one of few people to meet Amir. And also who somehow managed to see Amir to log into one account and see 40k chip orders.... yet 20k just went poof! I still (and this is my personal opinion) wonder if he something with TH. We do know he had a special deal to pick up boards he talked about..... was there anything else? Who knows.
Well, seems like Cointerra is the best alternative for the time being 
Can somebody explain to me how buying a cointerra unit will make money? If you buy now, they will ship in January, so you might start operating in February. That is if everything goes perfectly, which I doubt. If things continue as they have the last few difficulty increases, then, between now and January, the difficulty will more than TRIPLE. A 2 Terahash unit then will produce about what a 250Mhash unit can now, which is about 35BTC per month. So it would take you 2 months to break even. The problem is that during that 2 months, there will be 4 more difficulty increases. So, by the time you ROI, you will be making 17BTC per month. That isn't bad, but consider what would happen if there was a 6 week delay. You would start out at 17BTC per month but that would drop to 9 and then 5 before you even made ROI. A definite "maybe," but not at all a sure thing. At least that is my 2 cents.
Well, seems like Cointerra is the best alternative for the time being
You're joking, right?
Cointerra hasn't even taped out yet.
They waited too long and now HashFast is eating their lunch.
Bargraphics deleted every incriminating post of his regarding terrahash.
I guess you could say we gave him a badly needed attitude adjustment, as he not only deleted the ones in this thread, but others as well.
This is ever better than the time Bargraphics and VolcanicErupter had to eat the biscuit after their ActiveScamming groupwank came to a sticky end. 
Yep, it's always nice to see a shill get put in his place. I didn't archive the other thread unfortunately, but for anyone interested, you can easily get the archive at google cache, until it updates again, which will be in less than a week. So I archived all this thread's pages.
A sample for you is:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?output=search&q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.1700 - Page 86
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?output=search&q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.1720 - Page 87
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?output=search&q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.1740 - Page 88
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?output=search&q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.1760 - Page 89
... And so on. As you see, you simply increment the last number by 20 (under 100, it was 10 for some). I made PDF's of all pages with a quick script I created.
Whether TH or Bar deletes, we still have them. Unfortunately, since I wanted the full version, and not just text, they are rather large for he entire thread using a PDF.
The cache is already updated, I looked at 3 of those pages and none of them mention bar at all.
Those pages didn't have anything to do with Bar necessarily, was just using it as an example of how to find pages. The cache wasn't updated yet.
Why is the thread missing like 10-15 pages 
Bargraphics deleted every incriminating post of his regarding terrahash.
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