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September 04, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
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No matter what you think of BTC, he has every right to file complaints.  They don't anwser anything.  They will make another announcement, but honestly who would trust them again?  And paypal.... even if they want to use it thier account has to look horrible with all the disputes. 

They had a lot of promise at the beginning far back.  They have made so many false claims, and announcements it's sad.  The good news is once the cash is gone I don't think Amir will ever be able to work in the Bitcoin hardware industry again.  I hope not to many lose money I feel sorry for the ones who trusted TH with wire transfers and BTC orders.

You are wrong!

It's called having standing. You can't/shouldn't file a complaint with anyone if you were not wronged.

If BTCEIC filed a claim with the BBB after he got his refund then he filed a false claim, which is slander and/or fraud.

On top of that, after he got his refund he promised never to come back to this thread and say a word, so he is a lying, dishonest, slandering douche with an axe to grind for NO REASON.

CASE CLOSED

You are quite wrong, here is what I promised:

If they gave me a refund that day I would not come back to this thread, they didn't, so I haven't.

Although "we" have a policy here to not feed the trolls, but I will try to put this discussion to rest:

1. Knightlife did call in advance that day, but that was the first time he had called and "we" had no idea what his number is, in case you think we avoided his call on purpose. I was expecting him here today (Thursday), and his visit a day earlier was a surprise. And yes, that meeting WAS very important for the timely success of this whole project.

2. Knightlife saw at least one other person (Ricky, who is on our team), who came to pick me up. He can confirm this. Ricky and another team member were already at the meeting place, and they called me while Knightlife was still here, and I asked them to send Ricky to pick me up. Maybe Knightlife remembers this call and can confirm it.

3. We will invite Knightlife again soon, once the board is hashing better, and we will show him the evidence of all the 4 orders that we have directly placed with Avalon.

4. This point is irrelevant, as long as everyone gets the evidence that we are making progress.


why can't you show us the evidence now?
why can't you send me my refund now?
I would expect you to want me to stfu.

Let's try this another way, please can I have my refund?

I btceic do hereby promise that I will leave this thread never to return, if you hit the refund button at paypal.

Regarding my slander/fraud BBB claim against terrahash, I posted the BB claim on 07/16/2013, my forced transaction reversal came through on 07/17/2013.

Unlike Amir and or Justin at TerraHash I will send proof of the two above claims.

btw, joe,
I insist on you resorting to violent outbursts and tourettes like cursing and calling me and others names, this just shows everybody else, the types of people that TerraHash has recruited to speak on their behalf.

I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of your entire stance, when you yourself are doing the exact same thing to Josh at BFL.

Yeah Terrahash has recruited me!  That's a good one!! Where do you buy your tinfoil hats?

I am doing it to Josh because (wait for it genius) I AM A CUSTOMER OF BFL and they screwed me, and I have yet to get my money or my items. I have standing, you are just a person who got their money back and still want to stamp your feet and cry.

I am still waiting for PP to refund my Terrahash money, so technically I am still a customer yet I don't see my way clear to fuss and cry like you.

These are not violent outbursts, this is you hearing the truth. GROW UP
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September 04, 2013, 08:56:51 PM


No matter what you think of BTC, he has every right to file complaints.  They don't anwser anything.  They will make another announcement, but honestly who would trust them again?  And paypal.... even if they want to use it thier account has to look horrible with all the disputes. 

They had a lot of promise at the beginning far back.  They have made so many false claims, and announcements it's sad.  The good news is once the cash is gone I don't think Amir will ever be able to work in the Bitcoin hardware industry again.  I hope not to many lose money I feel sorry for the ones who trusted TH with wire transfers and BTC orders.

You are wrong!

It's called having standing. You can't/shouldn't file a complaint with anyone if you were not wronged.

If BTCEIC filed a claim with the BBB after he got his refund then he filed a false claim, which is slander and/or fraud.

On top of that, after he got his refund he promised never to come back to this thread and say a word, so he is a lying, dishonest, slandering douche with an axe to grind for NO REASON.

CASE CLOSED

You are quite wrong, here is what I promised:

If they gave me a refund that day I would not come back to this thread, they didn't, so I haven't.

Although "we" have a policy here to not feed the trolls, but I will try to put this discussion to rest:

1. Knightlife did call in advance that day, but that was the first time he had called and "we" had no idea what his number is, in case you think we avoided his call on purpose. I was expecting him here today (Thursday), and his visit a day earlier was a surprise. And yes, that meeting WAS very important for the timely success of this whole project.

2. Knightlife saw at least one other person (Ricky, who is on our team), who came to pick me up. He can confirm this. Ricky and another team member were already at the meeting place, and they called me while Knightlife was still here, and I asked them to send Ricky to pick me up. Maybe Knightlife remembers this call and can confirm it.

3. We will invite Knightlife again soon, once the board is hashing better, and we will show him the evidence of all the 4 orders that we have directly placed with Avalon.

4. This point is irrelevant, as long as everyone gets the evidence that we are making progress.


why can't you show us the evidence now?
why can't you send me my refund now?
I would expect you to want me to stfu.

Let's try this another way, please can I have my refund?

I btceic do hereby promise that I will leave this thread never to return, if you hit the refund button at paypal.

Regarding my slander/fraud BBB claim against terrahash, I posted the BB claim on 07/16/2013, my forced transaction reversal came through on 07/17/2013.

Unlike Amir and or Justin at TerraHash I will send proof of the two above claims.

btw, joe,
I insist on you resorting to violent outbursts and tourettes like cursing and calling me and others names, this just shows everybody else, the types of people that TerraHash has recruited to speak on their behalf.

I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of your entire stance, when you yourself are doing the exact same thing to Josh at BFL.

Yeah Terrahash has recruited me!  That's a good one!! Where do you buy your tinfoil hats?

I am doing it to Josh because (wait for it genius) I AM A CUSTOMER OF BFL and they screwed me, and I have yet to get my money or my items. I have standing, you are just a person who got their money back and still want to stamp your feet and cry.

I am still waiting for PP to refund my Terrahash money, so technically I am still a customer yet I don't see my way clear to fuss and cry like you.

These are not violent outbursts, this is you hearing the truth. GROW UP
gbx
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September 04, 2013, 08:42:30 PM
Honestly, this thread needs to be locked.
sr. member
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September 04, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
If you paid via PayPal and want a refund...  LISTEN UP.

If you did not open a dispute within the 45 day window and you call PayPal... They will (9/10 times) deny you any kind of refund and say it's impossible as after 45 days their terms of service says they are not able to provide a refund.  That statement is sort of true.   If there are exceptional circumstances, PayPal WILL give you a full refund.

I got a refund from PayPal, today, for every order I placed  (If you ordered any TerraHash boards through me - you have been refunded too).

Here's how:

Call PayPal.  Get the fraud/dispute department.  Tell them you understand you are outside the 45 day window.  Tell them about TerraHash.  Tell them you and a lot of people online have been scammed by TerraHash.  Explain what TerraHash is doing and how they ave taken hundreds of thousands from PayPal users. shipped nothing, and will not reply to any contact attempts.  Ask to open a claim even if it's outside the 45 day window.   They may close your claim automatically, siding with TerraHash.  Call them back!

Especially mention the high dollar value.  Every time I dropped the amount of dollars that TerraHash took via PayPal they go get a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

I talked to a guy in the fraud department named Aaron, employee ID 45731.   He and his supervisor got my money back from TerraHash and he told me today, that he will do his best to help anyone else who can't get their money back from TerraHash.

So, PayPal tells you no?  Call again, get Aaron on the phone, tell him your story.  



If you are still within the 45 day dispute window.  Filing a dispute now will get you an extra 20 days of guaranteed refundability if TH doesn't ship, if not even more.  With no downside.   So on your 44th day, file a dispute.



TerraHash/Amir: You tried to fuck me.  The tables have now turned.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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September 04, 2013, 08:05:30 PM


No matter what you think of BTC, he has every right to file complaints.  They don't anwser anything.  They will make another announcement, but honestly who would trust them again?  And paypal.... even if they want to use it thier account has to look horrible with all the disputes. 

They had a lot of promise at the beginning far back.  They have made so many false claims, and announcements it's sad.  The good news is once the cash is gone I don't think Amir will ever be able to work in the Bitcoin hardware industry again.  I hope not to many lose money I feel sorry for the ones who trusted TH with wire transfers and BTC orders.

You are wrong!

It's called having standing. You can't/shouldn't file a complaint with anyone if you were not wronged.

If BTCEIC filed a claim with the BBB after he got his refund then he filed a false claim, which is slander and/or fraud.

On top of that, after he got his refund he promised never to come back to this thread and say a word, so he is a lying, dishonest, slandering douche with an axe to grind for NO REASON.

CASE CLOSED


Look through these pages, granted it is very hard.  There are so many things that could be a possible claim.  For example them asking for 3 more months to provide refunds, they don't have the right to do this.   They never provided product.  How they changed refund policy many read it with old policy, there was no notice of change.   Possible false advertisement as many product announcements just never happen. 

You don't have to have standing to us BBB.  This is not a official court case.  If are having problems with a company and they provide zero communication BBB is actually a very valid place to go. 

And lets be honest by the time standing is needed for a court case unless their next announcement brings in a lot of cash, there is a decent chance they wont make it.  They admitted to not having enough money for refunds, do you honestly think this will change?
sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 04, 2013, 07:46:08 PM


No matter what you think of BTC, he has every right to file complaints.  They don't anwser anything.  They will make another announcement, but honestly who would trust them again?  And paypal.... even if they want to use it thier account has to look horrible with all the disputes. 

They had a lot of promise at the beginning far back.  They have made so many false claims, and announcements it's sad.  The good news is once the cash is gone I don't think Amir will ever be able to work in the Bitcoin hardware industry again.  I hope not to many lose money I feel sorry for the ones who trusted TH with wire transfers and BTC orders.

You are wrong!

It's called having standing. You can't/shouldn't file a complaint with anyone if you were not wronged.

If BTCEIC filed a claim with the BBB after he got his refund then he filed a false claim, which is slander and/or fraud.

On top of that, after he got his refund he promised never to come back to this thread and say a word, so he is a lying, dishonest, slandering douche with an axe to grind for NO REASON.

CASE CLOSED

You are quite wrong, here is what I promised:

If they gave me a refund that day I would not come back to this thread, they didn't, so I haven't.

Although "we" have a policy here to not feed the trolls, but I will try to put this discussion to rest:

1. Knightlife did call in advance that day, but that was the first time he had called and "we" had no idea what his number is, in case you think we avoided his call on purpose. I was expecting him here today (Thursday), and his visit a day earlier was a surprise. And yes, that meeting WAS very important for the timely success of this whole project.

2. Knightlife saw at least one other person (Ricky, who is on our team), who came to pick me up. He can confirm this. Ricky and another team member were already at the meeting place, and they called me while Knightlife was still here, and I asked them to send Ricky to pick me up. Maybe Knightlife remembers this call and can confirm it.

3. We will invite Knightlife again soon, once the board is hashing better, and we will show him the evidence of all the 4 orders that we have directly placed with Avalon.

4. This point is irrelevant, as long as everyone gets the evidence that we are making progress.


why can't you show us the evidence now?
why can't you send me my refund now?
I would expect you to want me to stfu.

Let's try this another way, please can I have my refund?

I btceic do hereby promise that I will leave this thread never to return, if you hit the refund button at paypal.

Regarding my slander/fraud BBB claim against terrahash, I posted the BB claim on 07/16/2013, my forced transaction reversal came through on 07/17/2013.

Unlike Amir and or Justin at TerraHash I will send proof of the two above claims.

btw, joe,
I insist on you resorting to violent outbursts and tourettes like cursing and calling me and others names, this just shows everybody else, the types of people that TerraHash has recruited to speak on their behalf.

I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of your entire stance, when you yourself are doing the exact same thing to Josh at BFL.
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September 04, 2013, 07:26:47 PM


No matter what you think of BTC, he has every right to file complaints.  They don't anwser anything.  They will make another announcement, but honestly who would trust them again?  And paypal.... even if they want to use it thier account has to look horrible with all the disputes. 

They had a lot of promise at the beginning far back.  They have made so many false claims, and announcements it's sad.  The good news is once the cash is gone I don't think Amir will ever be able to work in the Bitcoin hardware industry again.  I hope not to many lose money I feel sorry for the ones who trusted TH with wire transfers and BTC orders.

You are wrong!

It's called having standing. You can't/shouldn't file a complaint with anyone if you were not wronged.

If BTCEIC filed a claim with the BBB after he got his refund then he filed a false claim, which is slander and/or fraud.

On top of that, after he got his refund he promised never to come back to this thread and say a word, so he is a lying, dishonest, slandering douche with an axe to grind for NO REASON.

CASE CLOSED



legendary
Activity: 1582
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September 04, 2013, 07:22:30 PM
At this point the only hardware I would be interested in would be eng game hardware
Difficulty increases over the next few months will make everything else obsolete to quickly
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
September 04, 2013, 07:07:10 PM
Recieved the below email this morning(redacted).
Not only does terrahash ignore all requests by customers, they also ignore all requests for information from other companies now including BBB and PayPal.

Next up is the California state AG?

Quote
Complaint ID#: xxxxxx
Business Name: TerraHash, Inc.

You recently requested our help concerning a problem with the company named above.

The company has not responded to BBB to date. If you have heard from the company please contact BBB at (408)278-7400.

We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint.

http:



Sincerely,

Lena Palacios
Consumer Services
BBB Complaint Department

You are a dickwad of the highest order.

You are not a customer of Terrahash and you have no business reporting shit.



No matter what you think of BTC, he has every right to file complaints.  They don't anwser anything.  They will make another announcement, but honestly who would trust them again?  And paypal.... even if they want to use it thier account has to look horrible with all the disputes. 

They had a lot of promise at the beginning far back.  They have made so many false claims, and announcements it's sad.  The good news is once the cash is gone I don't think Amir will ever be able to work in the Bitcoin hardware industry again.  I hope not to many lose money I feel sorry for the ones who trusted TH with wire transfers and BTC orders.
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September 04, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
This is quite annoying. Asking for a refund and getting no responses. Im not a hard guy to get along with. I wish they would just answer my phone calls and have a solid chat with me about everything thats going on. Maybe then I would not want a refund, maybe I would but proper communication is the key to any business. It seems to me that TerraHash is no different then majority of business companies. Communication is 101% before the purchase and once they have your money... Poof. Thanks again, communication drops to nearly 0% and we wait months before we hear anything.

This is getting ridicules and I believe that no one that has purchased with you TerraHash deserves this type of treatment. You would be absolutely NOWHERE if your consumers did not buy from you. You would have NOTHING. I think we deserve better communication from you. Were not talking about a few dollars here but some big big numbers!

Please, start filling us in. Screw this "we cant say anything right now" bull s**t. Be more transparent. We deserve to know everything that is happening, because after all, it is OUR money that you are spending.

Cheers.
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September 04, 2013, 06:40:31 PM
endgame is clear - TH will drag & bullsh** until 180GH miners market price becomes pennies on dollars in term of original price all the buyers paid (given current situation, we not that far off), they will then just purchase and deliver those near worthless hardware to the poor saps who paid with btc/wire transfer and consider it complete, pocketing rest of the $ and walk away clean.  

and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

if anyone who paid with paypal or credit card and still have not filed for a chargeback at this point, you deserve to lose your money. Sorry to be mean spirited but it's the truth.

Anybody that is defending them at this point is complicit in the theft of your BTC, I would be surprised to learn that bargraphics and the rest are not sock puppets or paid shills.

Shit if I'm getting paid then where's that money at?  Yeah TH is dragging this out..... THEY DON'T HAVE CHIPS FROM AVALON YET!  How can they drag something out if they don't have the stuff to do the dragging?  Your bitch is with Yifu not TH.

Don't argue with btceic, just a sad kid with a vendetta.


BTCEIC ^^^^ Won't anyone agree with me about Terrahash?
hero member
Activity: 854
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September 04, 2013, 06:28:25 PM
Recieved the below email this morning(redacted).
Not only does terrahash ignore all requests by customers, they also ignore all requests for information from other companies now including BBB and PayPal.

Next up is the California state AG?

Quote
Complaint ID#: xxxxxx
Business Name: TerraHash, Inc.

You recently requested our help concerning a problem with the company named above.

The company has not responded to BBB to date. If you have heard from the company please contact BBB at (408)278-7400.

We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint.

http:



Sincerely,

Lena Palacios
Consumer Services
BBB Complaint Department

You are a dickwad of the highest order.

You are not a customer of Terrahash and you have no business reporting shit.

sr. member
Activity: 378
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September 04, 2013, 05:55:49 PM
TH seems to be in the process of debugging the K16. Sounds like they are making some progress as they have made several posts to the bkkcoins thread.
What I don't understand is why this didn't happen several weeks ago before they said they were 100 % ready all we need are ASIC's.
But I guess better late than never.
legendary
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September 04, 2013, 05:44:21 PM
Always a chance when we hear from them again they will annouce they got their hands on some chips and will be shipping in 2 weeks,  with a 20% discount on the next project Smiley never know  Grin
legendary
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September 04, 2013, 03:59:04 PM
endgame is clear - TH will drag & bullsh** until 180GH miners market price becomes pennies on dollars in term of original price all the buyers paid (given current situation, we not that far off), they will then just purchase and deliver those near worthless hardware to the poor saps who paid with btc/wire transfer and consider it complete, pocketing rest of the $ and walk away clean.  

and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

if anyone who paid with paypal or credit card and still have not filed for a chargeback at this point, you deserve to lose your money. Sorry to be mean spirited but it's the truth.

Anybody that is defending them at this point is complicit in the theft of your BTC, I would be surprised to learn that bargraphics and the rest are not sock puppets or paid shills.

Shit if I'm getting paid then where's that money at?  Yeah TH is dragging this out..... THEY DON'T HAVE CHIPS FROM AVALON YET!  How can they drag something out if they don't have the stuff to do the dragging?  Your bitch is with Yifu not TH.

They have sample chips.  Where is that K-64?  Or the proper working K-16?  If they did get chips no way they have proper setup to produce and get it done in timely way.  They are going to focus on new announcement....
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September 04, 2013, 02:36:42 PM
endgame is clear - TH will drag & bullsh** until 180GH miners market price becomes pennies on dollars in term of original price all the buyers paid (given current situation, we not that far off), they will then just purchase and deliver those near worthless hardware to the poor saps who paid with btc/wire transfer and consider it complete, pocketing rest of the $ and walk away clean.  

and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

if anyone who paid with paypal or credit card and still have not filed for a chargeback at this point, you deserve to lose your money. Sorry to be mean spirited but it's the truth.

Anybody that is defending them at this point is complicit in the theft of your BTC, I would be surprised to learn that bargraphics and the rest are not sock puppets or paid shills.

Shit if I'm getting paid then where's that money at?  Yeah TH is dragging this out..... THEY DON'T HAVE CHIPS FROM AVALON YET!  How can they drag something out if they don't have the stuff to do the dragging?  Your bitch is with Yifu not TH.
legendary
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September 04, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
I have defended terrahash in the past
And I am no sock puppet

.... mining is a gamblers game
When we bought bitsynxom was the best bet
And terrahash was working with bkkcoins so I was optomistic

Now everyone is playing fireman
I hope the firws are out soon so I can start relaxing more

I might as well call you a sockpuppet of cloudhash or bfl
But I rhink we are all just customers with different opinions
newbie
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September 04, 2013, 01:13:01 PM
I'm just staying neutral for now and waiting for an update from TH this week before i decide to wait or request a chargeback

 Undecided
newbie
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September 04, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
endgame is clear - TH will drag & bullsh** until 180GH miners market price becomes pennies on dollars in term of original price all the buyers paid (given current situation, we not that far off), they will then just purchase and deliver those near worthless hardware to the poor saps who paid with btc/wire transfer and consider it complete, pocketing rest of the $ and walk away clean.  

and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

if anyone who paid with paypal or credit card and still have not filed for a chargeback at this point, you deserve to lose your money. Sorry to be mean spirited but it's the truth.

Anybody that is defending them at this point is complicit in the theft of your BTC, I would be surprised to learn that bargraphics and the rest are not sock puppets or paid shills.

Not either of those. Just patient. Wish I was paid though. :-)

I will admit that TH is making it very difficult for those of us who are defending them to continue to do so.
hero member
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September 04, 2013, 12:27:53 PM
Yes this is quite worrying. Can somebody close to them pay them a visit again?


hchc,
Did they receive your chips?

Yes. And they are sticking by their two weeks promise. We'll see.
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