Topic: Off-topic from the Silk Road thread (Read 9357 times)

Take everything pedos post "behind seven proxies" with a grain of salt.

Hell, there is even a guide on hidden wiki on TOR how to lobby people into accepting pedos, how to post, what tone to use, which arguments to create etc.

They even created a political party in Denmark, good thing the founders were arrested on multiple child abuse charges though.

Some of them are deluded enough to think other people will accept their actions.
Might be their detachment from reality or just general mental disorders.

(Adding thread to my watchlist. No,the "Notify" thing doesn't work the same as posting a reply yourself)

I have no words to describe how stupid such a thing is... unbelievable!


Back to the topic... what's actually the point of us discussing this here? I mean, it's up to the owner(s) of SilkRoad to decide it, and as far as I know, s/he hasn't even asked our opinion on this matter.... (unless I've missed something).

If your point is just discussing how you think the ideal anonymous market should behave, and you don't think SilkRoad is being this ideal anonymous market of yours, then think about competing with them. I realize it's not easy, but I guess it's more effective than discussing stuff here at least.

The reality is, there is more than one issue here, and it all gets bundled up into one.

There was a great article about CP laws a while back, I wish I had a ref to it. Basic upshot was, the laws made sense when they were made. In the 60s/70s when child porn laws came on the books, it was an industry. Yes, an industry. You and I didn't have professional recording equipment. A camera that took pictures good enough to produce good porn was expensive.... you had adults being paid to rape children. It was a bad scene.

Now... CP has changed. Every fucking 8 year old has a cell phone with a camera. There are a FUCKTON of pictures of naked kids...taken by kids! In fact, some piece of shit prosecutor was actually threatening kids with CP charges because of pictures they took of themselves!

In my state, its legal to have sex with a 16 year old... which is much better than some other states where they seem to think a 16 year old is a child. However, if she took a picture of herself, and sent it to you...thats CP.

Its horrible what is done in the name of protecting children. It really makes me wonder how many "sex offenders" are actually molsters and rapists, and how many are just people caught by a technicality of the law.

But of course... the "number of sex offenders" is then used to justify more laws... and more punishments... truth really is stranger than fiction... it would be hard to write a situation this stupid. Hell, I could have been charged for getting drunk and taking a piss by the side of the road. WTF! 

I mean seriously... I can piss my pants, which is totally socially unacceptable, yet walk around in public with no problem. Pull up to the same tree or bush that people have been urinating on for a million years, and now you are a sex offender.

Split from the Silk Road thread.

Totally agree. I can't believe this thread derail. Completely ridiculous.

ok, tldr

anyways...if you wana make a thread about you're beliefs on CP then go ahead, lets stick to shit thats silk road related. there hasn't even been CP posted there, so lets worry about what is happening now and deal with that

A guy was facing 20 years in prison for a video of so called "CP". The girl in the video took a flight all the way to the court and proved her age. It was claimed this girl could be no more than "12", turns out she was 20, and 18 at the date the "CP" was made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrHfuLC4H8

Lucky guy, bet there are quite a few not that lucky......

It's even worse than that.  Sex offender laws are so broad, that there are people that are on the lifetime registry lists for having sex with their legal spouses, for "mooning" and for having 'Sweet 16-Happy Birthday' sex with their 15 year old girlfriend only 10 days younger.  I almost got my nephew labeled as a sex offender, because at age 11 he pulled my daughter's pants down in an argument.  Not as any kind of sexual thing, but to tick her off.  She was four at the time.  My wife and I called some childcare 'hotline' for advice on how to deal with the issue, because it wasn't the first time that he had used this tactic to run her off.  The operator told us that if he was 12, he would have been obligated under law to report our nephew as a potential sex offender, which would have certainly caused a visit from Social Services.

And, of course, it doesn't matter what kind of crime that you have been accused of, if you are on a sex offender list you are automaticly assumed to be a child predator by the general public.

No, I wont take it easy on the "CP defence". The only reason to do so would be out of fear of being labelled a paedophile and socially ostracised, but this is a pseudonymous forum and I am behind seven proxies. I don't defend CP, I defend peoples rights. The government has ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of people over child pornography, a mere 16% of whom would statistically be likely to offend with a child. When you take into account that their definition of child is anyone under 18, you can see that even this estimate is artificially inflated.

Child porn and child sexuality laws are awful. In the USA tens of thousands of men are sent to prison for having sex with people who are old enough to consent in the majority of the world, including Europe. People in USA are put into prison and labelled sex offenders for having sex with 16 and 17 year olds in some states, despite this being totally legal in other states. Standing by complacently while people have their lives ruined for things that are legal a few miles away is awful and shows only that you are a scared coward afraid of the government created stigma.

Child porn should be protected constitutionally as right to free speech, but this term has been redefined into nothingness by the government. It isn't even possible to defend the people who view child porn with out appearing to support paedophilia. The average person who is rabidly for locking up people who look at child porn and throwing away the key is basing their entire argument off of emotions and not logic, and when they do present logic it is only a facades because the statistics and studies they quote are made up by law enforcement and anti groups. 

I don't think Silk Road should become involved with child porn, there are already hidden services for that. I just can't stand to see moral warriors spreading their bullshit at the cost of innocent peoples lives, people who are overwhelmingly not dangers to children and who have as much a right to privacy and protection from censorship as anyone else.

Every other crime caught on tape is a hit television show ..... I'm just sayin

take it easy on the CP defense

Since this topic became the place to discuss generic hot topics...

I thought CP was just pictures of children naked. If it's limited to that I don't think it should be censored. But if it involves children having sex (rape!) then I would vehemently support bringing it down.

Slavery is totally unacceptable!

I don't mind about the stolen things, but whoever buys them is an asshole =D

To clarify, we should go after people who do certain things, not think certain things.

I second that. To solve a problem one has to address the cause not the symptom.

Censorship won't ever get rid of CP. Hunting down and destroying people who harm children is another story though. Silk Road helps people circumvent governmental exploitation, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that they might help prevent the exploitation of children. I think the people at Silk Road should affect justice whenever they can. Shouldn't we all?

Eh semi derail. If the community has a problem with CP then it's more likely to get banned from Silkroad.
I think that all information should be free but Silkroad has the right to decide what's allowed on their site.
Also I think there is a big difference between a consenting 16 year old and a 10 year old being raped.
I agree it should be illegal to make and that paying for it does support it. Also there is a difference between paying for it and paying for it to be made.
Supporting it indirectly or directly. I'd look at it like any other crime. If I pay you to video tape yourself robbing a liquor store that should be illegal if you committed the crime because of me. Same with CP.

Also just pissed how sensitive people get about it. Yeah it sucks, yeah they're douche bags that do it / make it but it is clearly censorship.
Plenty of other stuff I'm not in to that I find disgusting that's legal.

How did this thread become a discussion about the rights and wrongs of child pornography? Talk about a derail!

Well, personally I don't think 10, 11, 12 or probably even 13 year olds can consent to sex so I think below 10 is pretty young of a cut off age to consider something 'CP' instead of 'Who the fuck cares'. I do think that everyone has the right to view/copy CP though, I am against censorship and for personal freedom. I know that the majority of people are emotionally charged and irrational, but I am quite certain that CP being legal to view and possess would be a good thing and probably would actually lead to lower rates of sexual abuse. Free information means free  information, if you are not for free information then you are pro-censorship. I am the opposite of pro-censorship. Outlawing information is bullshit. And actually CP is about teenagers having sex, because a tremendous amount of CP is in fact teenagers having sex. A tremendous amount of CP that isn't teenagers having sex is Russian produced softcore images where the children are paid and "consent" and have the consent of their parents, however I do think this production should be illegal. A tremendous amount of real CP is no worse than the legal based on artistic merits Brooke Shields nude images: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/6244330/Brooke-Shields-nude-photograph-causes-controversy-at-Tate-exhibition.html or nudist images deemed legal by the courts.

I wont link to them because they are nude and underage, but they are legal and actually on exhibit in museums in the UK.

edit: I should mention that I do think paying for CP should be illegal, as this does actually fund child abuse. Saying it is illegal to look at a picture though? Bullshit. Also, my distinction between 'CP' and 'Who gives a fuck' still stands.