Off-topic from the Silk Road thread - page 2.

JackSparrow

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Quote from: anonextc on April 19, 2011, 08:11:37 PM

Actually, the vast majority of child porn is created by teenagers with camera phones.

Do you realy want to talk about CP? Do you realy know what CP is? Child Porn is not about two teenagers having sex, it is about adults raping kids (below 10 maybe).
Should everyone have the right to view/copy this stuff (without the approval of all performers)?

EDIT: @mvgdr (or whoever you are): My German teacher once said: "If you can't tell it short (summarised), you can't tell it." Please try to shorten up your posts, it is quite hard to read them.

anonextc

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Quote from: EllisD on April 19, 2011, 08:05:58 PM

Quote from: anonextc on April 19, 2011, 07:56:01 PM

Child porn should not be illegal to possess or view. If you think it should be, then you are pro censorship.

it's a two headed sword.

in order to posses/view, it must be made somehow, which creates a market

but some believe that if a pedo doesn't get his CP fix, he/she will resort to more desperate measures (kidnapping followed by shit i don't want to think abou)

so it comes down to the lesser of the two evils in my book

No people having sexual attraction to children creates the market. But realistically there is not much of a pay market for child porn. People produce child porn because they are exhibitionists with pedophilic tendencies or because they are sadists. Other people with similar tendencies view the child porn. Viewing child porn has no effect on production, harms nobody and should be completely legal. I am not pro-pedophilia by any means and you wont see me arguing that kids should have sex or that pedophilia is normal. However, you also wont find me buying the bullshit the government and anti groups spew since this is equally bullshit.

libertus.net/censor/resources/statistics-laundering.html

Actually, the vast majority of child porn is created by teenagers with camera phones.

anonextc

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Also, child porn that is of a certain age is only illegal because of brainwashed religious zealots who have psychological issues with sex.

anonextc

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Child porn should only be illegal to produce. Child porn should not be illegal to possess or view. If you think it should be, then you are pro censorship.

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Quote from: BitterTea on April 19, 2011, 05:42:30 PM

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 19, 2011, 05:34:42 PM

So things we definitely won't see on Silk Road;

- contracts/bounties to commit true crime hits (including assassination contracts)
- property acquired through theft of any kind (including body parts, stolen bitcoins, etc)
- criminal activity involving victims (including child porn, slave trade, fraudulent schemes, etc)

Things we might see;

- legitimate trade in substances and content that may be otherwise illicit in some legal systems (pharmaceuticals, censored material, leaked explosive govt. documents)
- legitimate trade in radioactive isotopes (maybe there is a market for fringe clean-up around Fukushima)
- legitimate trade in weapons, explosives and other destructive technologies (bio-weapons, chemical weapons)
- trade in gene selection technology for designer offspring and other ethically-questionable, experimental bio-medical technologies, fringe cancer treatments, etc

.....
good summary or wide of the mark?

Well, it's speculation... the rules are all up to Silkroad, but here are my comments on your list...

There could be a legitimate reason for wanting an individual killed. Perhaps they are a member of the police or other authority and are threatening you or your family.

It's not always clear whether property is stolen or legitimate, and I think any system to discriminate between them should be voluntary. Silk Road is free to put in place such a system if they choose.

I'm not convinced that possessing or viewing child porn is immoral, only creating it with actual children.

Defending CP is always going to draw enemies from just about everywhere but I see a huge difference between making it and possessing it.
Don't get me wrong it would be nice if it would all go away but making an image illegal could lead to worse things.

When you talk about voluntary organs etc you're getting in to a real gray area too. If someone needs to sell it to feed their starving family are they really giving it away? Same with prostitution. You could argue that their economic situation is causing the loss of the organ / prostitution but I don't know. It would just be pretty damn hard to regulate those kind of things and know what is legit or not.

Also if Silkroad doesn't have it someone with less scruples (or just a different view whatever) will provide a place for it.

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 19, 2011, 05:34:42 PM

So things we definitely won't see on Silk Road;

- contracts/bounties to commit true crime hits (including assassination contracts)
- property acquired through theft of any kind (including body parts, stolen bitcoins, etc)
- criminal activity involving victims (including child porn, slave trade, fraudulent schemes, etc)

Things we might see;

- legitimate trade in substances and content that may be otherwise illicit in some legal systems (pharmaceuticals, censored material, leaked explosive govt. documents)
- legitimate trade in radioactive isotopes (maybe there is a market for fringe clean-up around Fukushima)
- legitimate trade in weapons, explosives and other destructive technologies (bio-weapons, chemical weapons)
- trade in gene selection technology for designer offspring and other ethically-questionable, experimental bio-medical technologies, fringe cancer treatments, etc

.....
good summary or wide of the mark?

Well, it's speculation... the rules are all up to Silkroad, but here are my comments on your list...

There could be a legitimate reason for wanting an individual killed. Perhaps they are a member of the police or other authority and are threatening you or your family.

It's not always clear whether property is stolen or legitimate, and I think any system to discriminate between them should be voluntary. Silk Road is free to put in place such a system if they choose.

I'm not convinced that possessing or viewing child porn is immoral, only creating it with actual children.

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