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Topic: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 139. (Read 565240 times)

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Not s scam, but here is more info. Coincraft A1 ASIC chips are produced in China in Innosilicon factory according to Bitmine.CH design and produced for Bitmine as ordering party.

http://www.innosilicon.com/

Does it mean some worker was stealing or maybe some other way thief(s) obtained them (stealing in shipment?), I'm currently unaware.

However I am aware that each tray is 9x21 meaning one tray has 189 chips, so a thief have stolen approx 10 trays and maybe some extra he/she/they could put in their pockets.

Technobit was regular buyer from Bitmine, as well as AMT.



Yes, I'm quite aware of the connection between AMT, Bitmine and Technobit. AMT sent me a miner to review and to alleviate some fears about their legitimacy. I think they failed in that, as they haven't alleviated MY fears about their legitimacy. However, the beast runs Technobit HEX16B's, and I have followed Technobit pretty much since their founding. They were first to market with an A1 based miner. Well, hashing board, anyway. AMT is still dithering.

But what I was referencing was that the note, when translated, mentioned AMT and Bitmine, but not Technobit. Just found that a bit odd, given that Technobit has more exposure and success than AMT, and probably at this point than Bitmine. Why leave them out if this is Legit? (or perhaps certifiably illegitimate, given the subject...)

The numbers make sense in light of your new data, but why two NEW accounts posting the same "warning" in the AMT and Bitmine thread? I smell fish.

I'm not getting into who's fucking with whose brains because I haven't got the time for that.

What I'm however glad is that we figured out where chinese rigs come from.

So for you to understand Biomech, your AMT rig was assembled this way :

1. chips from Bitmine
2. PCBs from Technobit
3. their own final assembly (AMT)

Why not from Bitmine ?

Since Bitmine at that time had problems with their PCB issues.

Whether only for 8 or 10-chip board is yet not known (to me), but let's hope Kev.in comes up with more info so you and I, and we all will know what problems were and which problems are solved. To my knowledge there has been a problem with scarcity of tantalum capacitors, not available last week anywhere in Europe in any assembly facility for SoC pick-and-place. If that was the only problem and is now solved, things now look very prommissing.

And now with this resolving of chips theft happened as if not more things can go wrong Smiley MURHPY'S LAW INDEED Smiley

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Not s scam, but here is more info. Coincraft A1 ASIC chips are produced in China in Innosilicon factory according to Bitmine.CH design and produced for Bitmine as ordering party.

http://www.innosilicon.com/

Does it mean some worker was stealing or maybe some other way thief(s) obtained them (stealing in shipment?), I'm currently unaware.

However I am aware that each tray is 9x21 meaning one tray has 189 chips, so a thief have stolen approx 10 trays and maybe some extra he/she/they could put in their pockets.

Technobit was regular buyer from Bitmine, as well as AMT.



Yes, I'm quite aware of the connection between AMT, Bitmine and Technobit. AMT sent me a miner to review and to alleviate some fears about their legitimacy. I think they failed in that, as they haven't alleviated MY fears about their legitimacy. However, the beast runs Technobit HEX16B's, and I have followed Technobit pretty much since their founding. They were first to market with an A1 based miner. Well, hashing board, anyway. AMT is still dithering.

But what I was referencing was that the note, when translated, mentioned AMT and Bitmine, but not Technobit. Just found that a bit odd, given that Technobit has more exposure and success than AMT, and probably at this point than Bitmine. Why leave them out if this is Legit? (or perhaps certifiably illegitimate, given the subject...)

The numbers make sense in light of your new data, but why two NEW accounts posting the same "warning" in the AMT and Bitmine thread? I smell fish.
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lol

this is becoming a soap opera with his own intrique and all

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It basically says that have stolen a small quantity of chips from the bitmine factory in china. They plan to make 47 miners and want to mine with them first and sell them and deliver them late. They say they are creating fake companies here in this forum to try and pre-sell them.
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So, that's where these 50 miners came from
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78
Started mining on 30.1.2014.
They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware.

Confirmed.
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I don't think anyone needs to pay 15 BTC a week to say bad things about BitMine at the moment. Ask anyone losing out because of later delivery...

Exactly the same post under a different username in the AMT thread. I copied it into google translate.

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Hello Fellow Chinese people .

Our Group is headquartered in China distributor , and we steal chips from Bitmine small quanitity chip factory .

We have a very limited supply , only 1,982 chips. We will build to only 47 miners. We want to sell them a minimum of $ 8,000 , will provide them late, but we gave the commission very quickly.

Now, we 're trying to make our miners , but we did not succeed. That is why we are selling pre-sale methods miners . We want to put money now , and try to establish and higher real technician.

 We sell our products with 4 watts different company name, so we can take the money , perhaps to make them work .

We have created four different companies ( one even in the UK ) , and now there is no work with the miners images.

We know AMTminers and Bitmine products shipped to the client now, it will ruin our chances to sell our miners . Therefore , we must stop these two companies sell , so we can steal from the American people.

As China a brother , it is your responsibility to help other Chinese companies in this industry to survive. Please help your high knowledge of English , said bad things about the reputation of doing the wrong AMTminers and Bitmine . You will have to lie , but for China to survive , we must do wrong these companies. We must stop these companies.

We paid a weekly 15 bitcoins for your help . We will work with our miners will soon be mined will not be any problems with your payment .

Please write back to me , if you are willing to help.

Little Wang

A bit disturbing, if true. My first question would be how do they get the chips from Bitmine. My next one would be why aren't they mentioning Technobit???

Definitely some sort of scam here, but I'm kinda wondering whether it has anything to do with a chinese theft.

Not s scam, but here is more info. Coincraft A1 ASIC chips are produced in China in Innosilicon factory according to Bitmine.CH design and produced for Bitmine as ordering party.

http://www.innosilicon.com/

Does it mean some worker was stealing or maybe some other way thief(s) obtained them (stealing in shipment?), I'm currently unaware.

However I am aware that each tray is 9x21 meaning one tray has 189 chips, so a thief have stolen approx 10 trays and maybe some extra he/she/they could put in their pockets.

Technobit was regular buyer from Bitmine, as well as AMT.

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Tech problem with RIGs and DESKs you mention Kev.in (which is according to you now solved) does it relate to Tantalum capacitors or something else ?

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There's someone in January batch that has received the 20% discount as announced here ?

http://bitmine.ch/?p=2542
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It basically says that have stolen a small quantity of chips from the bitmine factory in china. They plan to make 47 miners and want to mine with them first and sell them and deliver them late. They say they are creating fake companies here in this forum to try and pre-sell them.
...
So, that's where these 50 miners came from
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78
Started mining on 30.1.2014.
They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware.

They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware. -> link please
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/28nm-1t-900wjingtian-miner-in-production-470386
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/28nm-1t-asic-new-system-is-good-for-market-466254
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It basically says that have stolen a small quantity of chips from the bitmine factory in china. They plan to make 47 miners and want to mine with them first and sell them and deliver them late. They say they are creating fake companies here in this forum to try and pre-sell them.
...
So, that's where these 50 miners came from
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78
Started mining on 30.1.2014.
They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware.

They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware. -> link please

No the message (in Chinese) says they can't actually get them to work and need to pre-sell in order to pay an engineer. So probably those miners are not actually working and they are just bullshit images of miners that don't actually mine. But yes in general it was very disturbing.
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They are receiving a couple hundred e-mails a day and more than 100 calls.
The more you e-mail and call them, the more time they need to answer all of your requests.
So time gets lost where they could actually work on your orders and get them shipped.

while I appreciate you posting here, this argument is bullshit

Put a dedicated temp behind the phone and email and he/she can do all the replying. No need to waste anybody elses time. And people would not be contacting Bitmine direct if there would be any decent feedback and communication from Bitmine itself in the first place other than "We are now shipping"

Don't blame the customer for the mess Bitmine creates themselves

yeah. Them and AMT both. I don't know much about Switzerland, but in the US, there are three companies I can think of right off the top of my head that could provide this, with minimal training. Kelly Services, Volt Temporary services and Manpower. I'm sure there are similar companies in Switzerland. Getting short term, relatively competent help is NOT difficult. Getting long term competent help often is... Tongue
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It basically says that have stolen a small quantity of chips from the bitmine factory in china. They plan to make 47 miners and want to mine with them first and sell them and deliver them late. They say they are creating fake companies here in this forum to try and pre-sell them.
...
So, that's where these 50 miners came from
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78
Started mining on 30.1.2014.
They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware.
This is speculation, I don't think anyone (apart from the owner) knows who is mining on Eligius against 1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78. 

Even if this Chinese Theft rumour is true, note that they said they only have chips, not miners:
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Now, we 're trying to make our miners , but we did not succeed. That is why we are selling pre-sale methods miners . We want to put money now , and try to establish and higher real technician.
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They are receiving a couple hundred e-mails a day and more than 100 calls.
The more you e-mail and call them, the more time they need to answer all of your requests.
So time gets lost where they could actually work on your orders and get them shipped.

while I appreciate you posting here, this argument is bullshit

Put a dedicated temp behind the phone and email and he/she can do all the replying. No need to waste anybody elses time. And people would not be contacting Bitmine direct if there would be any decent feedback and communication from Bitmine itself in the first place other than "We are now shipping"

Don't blame the customer for the mess Bitmine creates themselves
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I'm #39 in queue and still waiting for a confirmation...
We have two threads to track Bitmine orders:
Batch 1 customers: Bitmine list of orders - December 2013 delivery (batch 1)
Batch 2 customers: Bitmine list of orders - February 2014 delivery (batch 2)

I encourage all Bitmine customers to add their information to the appropriate thread.  It helps us as customers to keep track of what is going on.  

If you haven't got a thread for your batch, consider copying one of the above threads to start a new one.
I am pretty sure Batch 2 is January delivery, because I have an order in that Batch and it clearly states that.
Ah yes, that makes sense... perhaps the creator of the Batch 2 thread confused that, and it should be the Batch 3 thread.  That means we don't have a Batch 2 thread.
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It basically says that have stolen a small quantity of chips from the bitmine factory in china. They plan to make 47 miners and want to mine with them first and sell them and deliver them late. They say they are creating fake companies here in this forum to try and pre-sell them.
...
So, that's where these 50 miners came from
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78
Started mining on 30.1.2014.
They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware.

They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware. -> link please
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I'm #39 in queue and still waiting for a confirmation...
We have two threads to track Bitmine orders:
Batch 1 customers: Bitmine list of orders - December 2013 delivery (batch 1)
Batch 2 customers: Bitmine list of orders - February 2014 delivery (batch 2)

I encourage all Bitmine customers to add their information to the appropriate thread.  It helps us as customers to keep track of what is going on. 

If you haven't got a thread for your batch, consider copying one of the above threads to start a new one.
I am pretty sure Batch 2 is January delivery, because I have an order in that Batch and it clearly states that.
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It basically says that have stolen a small quantity of chips from the bitmine factory in china. They plan to make 47 miners and want to mine with them first and sell them and deliver them late. They say they are creating fake companies here in this forum to try and pre-sell them.
...
So, that's where these 50 miners came from
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78
Started mining on 30.1.2014.
They are now trying to sell them in two or three threads here in custom hardware.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1022
Anarchy is not chaos.
I don't think anyone needs to pay 15 BTC a week to say bad things about BitMine at the moment. Ask anyone losing out because of later delivery...

Exactly the same post under a different username in the AMT thread. I copied it into google translate.

Quote
Hello Fellow Chinese people .

Our Group is headquartered in China distributor , and we steal chips from Bitmine small quanitity chip factory .

We have a very limited supply , only 1,982 chips. We will build to only 47 miners. We want to sell them a minimum of $ 8,000 , will provide them late, but we gave the commission very quickly.

Now, we 're trying to make our miners , but we did not succeed. That is why we are selling pre-sale methods miners . We want to put money now , and try to establish and higher real technician.

 We sell our products with 4 watts different company name, so we can take the money , perhaps to make them work .

We have created four different companies ( one even in the UK ) , and now there is no work with the miners images.

We know AMTminers and Bitmine products shipped to the client now, it will ruin our chances to sell our miners . Therefore , we must stop these two companies sell , so we can steal from the American people.

As China a brother , it is your responsibility to help other Chinese companies in this industry to survive. Please help your high knowledge of English , said bad things about the reputation of doing the wrong AMTminers and Bitmine . You will have to lie , but for China to survive , we must do wrong these companies. We must stop these companies.

We paid a weekly 15 bitcoins for your help . We will work with our miners will soon be mined will not be any problems with your payment .

Please write back to me , if you are willing to help.

Little Wang

A bit disturbing, if true. My first question would be how do they get the chips from Bitmine. My next one would be why aren't they mentioning Technobit???

Definitely some sort of scam here, but I'm kinda wondering whether it has anything to do with a chinese theft.
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Run a Bitcoin node.
I'm #39 in queue and still waiting for a confirmation...
We have two threads to track Bitmine orders:
Batch 1 customers: Bitmine list of orders - December 2013 delivery (batch 1)
Batch 2 customers: Bitmine list of orders - February 2014 delivery (batch 2)

I encourage all Bitmine customers to add their information to the appropriate thread.  It helps us as customers to keep track of what is going on. 

If you haven't got a thread for your batch, consider copying one of the above threads to start a new one.
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