Topic: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 15. (Read 565292 times)

Hi to all,
Despite I have been reading for technical info about miners from 2 years ago, I am newbie on the forum, only 1 post (as sad as this one that I am writing).

I do not like to argue stupidly with people, is that why I try avoiding to talk in forum too much.

I am affected for Bitmine lack of ethics, I placed my order in November 13, and I have been suffering (as others) all this process full of lies and time-waisters.

They offered in August to change with that shit of cloud mining contract (you know).

I suggested them that the compensation they were trying to offer was not filling the easy to calculate losses for their mistakes. Then I asked for an amount of TH/s that would fill this expected earnings (being optimistic). They counter offer less than the half of that amount. I have lost 3 months trying to negotiate with them. But is like always, like everything they do, they win I loose.

So, I respect if someone wants to say they are nice or not, I really doubt that if someone was fine with them would be loosing their time here, trying to explain with half of infos that they had success.

My point is that if you owe lots of money to your customers and you say that you can not pay it because they have no money...where came the money to buy some place in Island to build their "chicken farm"?  they told me, and I am quoting that guy at the phone that thinks he is funny called Keerim "Hey, look, we don't fabric money, we are not a bank..."  I assumed they were not a bank, so like others, I am the bank. I wasn't pretending they were a Bank, just that they would accomplish what they promised (at least once).

So in May they put me on 2nd week of October to get my refund after some arguing. Let's say that we all know that business sometimes, try to exhaust customers to survive and get their money, at least is my opinion.

I have contacted some lawyers, from there (too expensive for the process) and from my country, my lawyer advise was to wait until second week of October to see what happens in order to avoid making noise, cause I am peaceful guy and I do not like to make noise for nothing, but if I have to do it I will put everything on that.

I consider that they had too much opportunities to show their cards and make us think that they were just mental retarded, but at this point I can assume they voluntary do this. There is no hidden force that doesn't permit them to pay refunds.

I have been taking a look at some possibilities since May. I will try to make my best.

If you want to put a claim at interpol, just put a claim at your country first, interpol uses to act when there are claims from some countries...or that is what I think. And that is what I am going to do tomorrow.

What is important to me is that if I can't get my entirely refund, I prefer to invest my money against them, some told me that going to the court would made me loose money, that's ok, at least I will make them loose credibility......I am not going to surrender.

Hope everyone that is affected as me, will have a happy end to this process.


About what I read that customers are investors on Bitmine:

• Lol
• I got no more time for this

Well, I advise that I do not like to reply to everything is said or that quotes me or whatever, so do not expect me talking everyday, only when I have something to share with you...

Have a nice day.

+1
In fact, I taunting only one person.............

+1 I suspected the same from the beginning

Yes, I hiding the amount of my investments....Thats it, thats my agenda.  

And no more blabla. Promise!
Everything is said already.

Many of us have in last year posted how much we paid for Bitmine hardware, including the payment transaction. We also posted how much we got back as a refund.

So yes, what is the problem?


bla bla bla

This forum is rife with people with an agenda. Why make it so hard that you give you the impression you are hiding something?

Dear Solar Silver.

I do not know what I have say in favor of Bitmine.
I have criticized only untruths by certain persons.
(Like 400BTC income daily etc....)

Will you show in your pub always your bank statement if you tell them something?
In what world do you live?

I have to prove anything. I'm not sitting here in front of the judge.
I have share my opinion and my way.
That's it.
If there are people who can use it, ok. The others can complain further.
And wait for there money.

No, I am not telling you how much money i spend, nor I will show you one of my wallet nor anything else.
It's my business, not yours.

I'm long enough in this forum. I know the game enough..
There are enough people who know me and know whether I'm trustworthy or not.
I'll give a shit whether you believe me or not.

Nice Weekend

edit: If you were not too lazy, you could just check it yourself.
Take a Mining Calculator, put a few TH in with a BTC purchase price at the rate of 1BTC = $ 1100 .... thats it.
But this does not work of course, because then you can not discover any conspiracies and denounce some people.

You are making all sorts of statements in favour of Bytemine (like you will end up ROI), taunting those who did lose a large chunk of BTC on these incompetents. You are shilling for Bytemine?

It's very simple to prove you are telling the truth, post the amount of BTC you are thinking to recover, post the mining address where your cloud mining revenue will be deposited in and let everybody else judge in 6 months if things work out. This sort of transparency is exactly the advantage of the blockchain ledger, so why not take advantage of it?

Money talks, bullshit walks

You've completely right Madi.
That's why I said that at the end everyone needs to know himself, which way is the best for him.
I can only share my experience from my view.

Today's exchange rate does not help of course.
Nobody also do not know where he stands in 6 months.
This makes the decision more difficult.

I only know for sure, that a bankrupt of Bitmine helps no one.
I'm going to lose (some of) my money, you lose yours.
This has simple to do with rational business thinking.
That's just my opinion.

Sorry man,, but if you made your order in BTC and are calculating your ROI based on how many BTC's you get back, then we have been speaking 2 different languages here.

I am happy for you that you consider the BTC count as your investment and not the value of your BTC's at the time vs today,,, in that case, you may have made the right choice for you.

On other hand, other people (myself included) paid in wire transfers, and to incur a loss greater then legal fees is unacceptable. Thanks for sharing your experience, but obviously it is particular to your case and does not apply to many of us.

I do not know what it concerns you, how high was my investment?
And how the deal was exactly, only matter between me and Bitmine!

So care to post how much BTC you invested and what Cloud Mining deal you got to recover those BTC? Care to post the bitcoin address where the payments are going into so we can check?

Sure, last year when I take my order, I knew that Bitmine will not deliver on time.  
Still, thanks for your advice.

I will not discuss about business ethics from Bitmine here.
This case is surely clear.

People want your money back and I explained what path I have chosen and why.
That's all.

I made my order, as BTC value was almost the highest.
Thus, I need far less coins back (for ROI) as someone who has bought at low value.
At the end everyone needs to know himself, which way is the best for him.

If you want to double or triple your coins, don't order from Bitmine... Don't even consider mining at all...

You'll be glad to break even.

Let us know in 6 months how things turn out. I'm sure you can post a wallet address today where the mining revenue comes in and we can check ourselves if you are so confident

One thing sure is that Bitmine is run by bumbling idiots and scammers. The address I generated for my Bitmine orders has leaked out and is actively used for phishing attempts:

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Mutch!
You understand that I will not go into detail.

I say "I'm on track to achieve ROI (Thanks to the slow increase in difficulty.)

I also wanted more and we found the way in the middle.

Yes, I go legal way first.
Then I met my current decision.
I can also count up 1 and 1.
A 1PH-Farm give not so much/day. (Definitely not 400BTC as crocko likes to claim)
Especially if the most Hashrate goes to the customer with Cloud contract.

Emotions are not conducive in this business. It prevents to think rationally.

How much did they owe you and how many THS did they allocate to you ?

I am surprised that you are close to ROI ,,, I refused their deal because I would have been too far from ROI based on timing and hashing power offered.

I tried to ask for more, but they refused....

Also, how do you know they "have nothing" ? did you try to sue and was told this? or is this what they said?

We can safely assume Gieorio's been busy sucking Joshua Zipkin's dick so that Josh can quit complaining about not getting any sex from his wife.

While others saw as bestowing trust in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Q5ECkaHiM, I immediately recognized two scam artists trying to perpetuate their scams.

@crocko
Ok, I will reply once again ;-)

Double face?
I do not see your point.

I don't know how you do business.
I'm not do business for only achieve ROI.
When I invest, I will double my coins, triple.

If the miners were delivered in January, I would have this case, with the contract I only have a small profit.
And I'm not happy with it.

But as I said ... I wish you good luck on your way.
So, that's it really now.

Best Regards
Tinu

@Tinua Dude, you are so double faced !

Here you brag with this cloudmining contract:



then you affirm the opposite:

Assuming energy stays constant and increasing difficulty, profits will decline

So, energy costs will go down and mining income up as time goes by?