Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 228.

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Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 04:10:18 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:55:03 PM

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

Ok, I think I understand the confusion. The reservation queue isn't a queue at all. It's a reservation pool beause the order you are in the reservation queue doesn't matter one bit. The only thing that matters is order of full payment.

You're partially right Grin

. Let's say we shipped out all the prepaid units and we have 10 units left in stock and 200 reservations. The users that will be offered to pay for their reservations at first will be the earliest in the reservation queue. Of course, the exception to this is that you can jump into the delivery queue anytime by paying.

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Can I pay partially for the order? If I place the order for 5 units, but not feel comfotable to pay for all of them on this stage, can I pay for one to guarantee a place in the queue (for one unit) and for rest later? Or better place five separate orders?

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looks like there's a few spots open for registration. Tried 50K

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Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 04:10:18 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:55:03 PM

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

Ok, I think I understand the confusion. The reservation queue isn't a queue at all. It's a reservation pool beause the order you are in the reservation queue doesn't matter one bit. The only thing that matters is order of full payment.

if this is true then it is same shit same shit all over again.... sorry to act like this but I had a good feeling for a moment here.

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Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:55:03 PM

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

Ok, I think I understand the confusion. The reservation queue isn't a queue at all. It's a reservation pool beause the order you are in the reservation queue doesn't matter one bit. The only thing that matters is order of full payment.

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Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

Quote from: mmitech on September 09, 2013, 04:00:46 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:55:03 PM

Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:40:43 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:34:18 PM

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

I'm sorry, I can't make sense of what the reservation queue actually does. Answer me this:

On Oct 1, customer A places an unpaid reservation order.
On Nov 1, customer B places a paid order
1 minute later customer A pays for his reservation.

What order do the units ship in?

B, then A.

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

you are still ignoring my suggestion, If I want to keep my reservation (guaranteed) without paying my order now, or with paying 10-20% of it to show my interest and wait to see how your schedule progressing, and if you fulfill your promise i will just honor the rest of the payment. we've got enough of companies playing the miners with their promises, if you are not one of them and you are so sure about your specs and schedule why wont you just offer us this option ?

We gave really many options, you can choose to pay and get your slot confirmed, or choose to not pay and go ahead with the payment as soon as you feel comfortable with. You see here how many questions arise only by these two options, if we did add the "pay 10/20% to partially confirm your order" it would have been even more complicated!

OK then my next question is what is the time stamp for keeping my slot!! this came nice and this is why I placed two orders, and i wish to see some improvement a real one before paying.... honestly I really had enough of the pre-order shit already I guess you understand my frustration.

sorry if I am being an ass here....

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Quote from: mmitech on September 09, 2013, 04:00:46 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:55:03 PM

Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:40:43 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:34:18 PM

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

I'm sorry, I can't make sense of what the reservation queue actually does. Answer me this:

On Oct 1, customer A places an unpaid reservation order.
On Nov 1, customer B places a paid order
1 minute later customer A pays for his reservation.

What order do the units ship in?

B, then A.

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

you are still ignoring my suggestion, If I want to keep my reservation (guaranteed) without paying my order now, or with paying 10-20% of it to show my interest and wait to see how your schedule progressing, and if you fulfill your promise i will just honor the rest of the payment. we've got enough of companies playing the miners with their promises, if you are not one of them and you are so sure about your specs and schedule why wont you just offer us this option ?

We gave really many options, you can choose to pay and get your slot confirmed, or choose to not pay and go ahead with the payment as soon as you feel comfortable with. You see here how many questions arise only by these two options, if we did add the "pay 10/20% to partially confirm your order" it would have been even more complicated!

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Quote from: erem on September 09, 2013, 03:43:45 PM

Quote from: erem on September 09, 2013, 02:02:36 PM

1. Can I choose Reservation queue today and then pay in 2-3 weeks and jump into the shipment queue?

Yes, you can confirm your reservation at ANY time by paying for it, then your slot in the delivery queue will be confirmed.

Quote from: erem on September 09, 2013, 02:02:36 PM

2. Are you going to sell separate hashing cards? If so when?

Yes, our units are made to be later upgradeable much like we did for the Avalon clones, these will come for sale in the next few weeks as soon as we get better figures about the current orders quantities.

Quote from: erem on September 09, 2013, 02:02:36 PM

3. Are the hashing cards for Coincraft Rig and Coincraft Desk compatibile?

Good question, we should add it to the FAQ. Actually no, they are completely different designs: the desk is cheaper and uses less chips running at higher power usages while the rig is more expensive, has an higher amount of chips and they're running cooler.

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Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:55:03 PM

Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:40:43 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:34:18 PM

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

I'm sorry, I can't make sense of what the reservation queue actually does. Answer me this:

On Oct 1, customer A places an unpaid reservation order.
On Nov 1, customer B places a paid order
1 minute later customer A pays for his reservation.

What order do the units ship in?

B, then A.

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

you are still ignoring my suggestion, If I want to keep my reservation (guaranteed) without paying my order now, or with paying 10-20% of it to show my interest and wait to see how your schedule progressing, and if you fulfill your promise i will just honor the rest of the payment. we've got enough of companies playing the miners with their promises, if you are not one of them and you are so sure about your specs and schedule why wont you just offer us this option ?

edit: I mean I want to keep my place in order queue... sorry if you misunderstood me!

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Quote from: erem on September 09, 2013, 03:49:37 PM

Also what's the purpose of the reservation queue? What am I benefit from placing a reservation queue order instead of waiting till December to place regular order?
Are you going to close the orders in the future? Are you going to announce it?

These will not be available for sale so long, once we run out of the available chips that come out of the first round of the foundry, we will stop taking new orders and allow only the people in the reservation queue to pay for their orders once they're ready to be shipped. Of course, we will take a bit more reservations than what we have available, because we know already that some of these will not be paid for, much like in a low cost airline overbooking

That means, the earlier in the reservation queue, the less the change that there won't be any more delivery slots available.

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Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:40:43 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:34:18 PM

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

I'm sorry, I can't make sense of what the reservation queue actually does. Answer me this:

On Oct 1, customer A places an unpaid reservation order.
On Nov 1, customer B places a paid order
1 minute later customer A pays for his reservation.

What order do the units ship in?

B, then A.

You have to consider that we won't be taking orders forever, once we run into a determined quantity of orders (paid + reservation) that we know we can't handle anymore with the promised delivery terms, any new order won't be accepted anymore and only people in the reservation queue will be able to pay and get their units delivered. Hope this explains a bit

erem

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Also what's the purpose of the reservation queue? What am I benefit from placing a reservation queue order instead of waiting till December to place regular order?
Are you going to close the orders in the future? Are you going to announce it?

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Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:40:43 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:34:18 PM

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

I'm sorry, I can't make sense of what the reservation queue actually does. Answer me this:

On Oct 1, customer A places an unpaid reservation order.
On Nov 1, customer B places a paid order
1 minute later customer A pays for his reservation.

What order do the units ship in?

I did read that 4 times... but it is still not clear for me, how this works? and they are ignoring my question, this is so important if they want to be honest with their customers, If they doesn't need pre-orders to finance their production, but still need pre-orders to see how big their ticket will be( which is logical), they should just ask for 10-20% as deposit for reserving the queue, people who wish to pay full orders will do now, people like me who want to see the progressing till the mass production and without delays then pay for the full order but still keeping their place in queue. this is the best protection plan they can come out with.

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Quote from: erem on September 09, 2013, 02:02:36 PM

1. Can I choose Reservation queue today and then pay in 2-3 weeks and jump into the shipment queue?
2. Are you going to sell separate hashing cards? If so when?
3. Are the hashing cards for Coincraft Rig and Coincraft Desk compatibile?

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Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:31:02 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on September 09, 2013, 03:28:41 PM

I'm interested in this if I can reserve a place in line for a miner, and pay when it's ready to ship.

Do you have a link to the miners you are making available for sale ? All I was able to find was the $50k product for 28nm chip orders.

This is exactly what the reservation queue does, you don't have to pay until we have the order ready for dispatch.

To find our products please just click on the "Products" tab in the home, that will bring you to the shop's main page where you'll find all the products on sale, including the miners.

i m already working on the 2nm technology (lol)

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Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:34:18 PM

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

I'm sorry, I can't make sense of what the reservation queue actually does. Answer me this:

On Oct 1, customer A places an unpaid reservation order.
On Nov 1, customer B places a paid order
1 minute later customer A pays for his reservation.

What order do the units ship in?

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I still do not understand how can you reserve a place in queue but still doesn't guarantee the place in shipment queue..... I am trying to understand it but it seems just like "yes and no".... I would like you to clarify this to us.

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Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:29:09 PM

Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:25:56 PM

You are already protected by our Customer Protection Plan and, if you don't want to pay anything upfront, you can still place an order on the reservation queue where no payment is required at all (just few days before the shipping of your order).

Then can you explain these details?

They're explained here: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2013, 03:29:09 PM

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Please note, however, that the reservation queue does NOT guarantee that you will be able to enter the shipping queue at all, as the item may be sold out earlier.

What good is a queue that has no guarantee you'll be shipped anything?

Only in exceptional circumstances we won't be able to deliver the reserved orders.

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Quote from: Xian01 on September 09, 2013, 03:28:41 PM

I'm interested in this if I can reserve a place in line for a miner, and pay when it's ready to ship.

Do you have a link to the miners you are making available for sale ? All I was able to find was the $50k product for 28nm chip orders.

This is exactly what the reservation queue does, you don't have to pay until we have the order ready for dispatch.

To find our products please just click on the "Products" tab in the home, that will bring you to the shop's main page where you'll find all the products on sale, including the miners.

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Quote from: giorgiomassa on September 09, 2013, 03:25:56 PM

You are already protected by our Customer Protection Plan and, if you don't want to pay anything upfront, you can still place an order on the reservation queue where no payment is required at all (just few days before the shipping of your order).

Then can you explain these details?

Quote

Please note, however, that the reservation queue does NOT guarantee that you will be able to enter the shipping queue at all, as the item may be sold out earlier.

What good is a queue that has no guarantee you'll be shipped anything?

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