Topic: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker - page 2. (Read 10992 times)

He has all the info he needs to pay me.

It has become personal now you jack ass ! A couple loud people, huh ? You mean the only 2 people who know what you are doing!

You can question Barts integrity, he can take it ! You have no right to question mine, what an insult !!!

I take great insult to you saying paying me would open the door to scammers. Piss off dude. You are a waste of my time,

and have been from day one, starting way back in May.

You received my help, as a professional courtesy, free of any charge.

I helped you and you screwed me.

You can try all the double talk you want.

I laid out the sequence of events and the facts you need to make a decision on paying me.

The community knows me, Im no scammer !

Your a Jack ass and have conducted business like a jack ass from day one.

Lots of luck, getting the Bitcoin community to support you dude.

You should probably try opening a USD$ site. I think your a Bitcoin parasite anyways.

What is it you are bringing to the Bitcoin community but an appetite for players juice?

If you take offense to me calling you a jack ass, then now we are both offended.

Consider it  term of affection compared to my true feelings toward you as a gentleman or a poker site owner/operator/parasite/epic fail

~~plo8

you already confirmed that you found plo´s pending withdraw so what you do is try steal his money!
the way you argue shows that you are far away from being trustworthy and professional...

btw you can´t transfer satoshi accounts to your new site without asking the account owners.

Out of the requests for returned funds, there is only one person who has had any complaints with our decisions, and we've paid some people more than we had to.  We can only work with the data that we were provided and understand if we cannot please everyone.  We are making all of our decisions based on the data we have and common sense.  I am unwilling to share any private details, but I would note other posts of people who verified quick payment. 

I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified.  Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site. 

Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY.  Again, please feel free to email at [email protected]


I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible.  All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches.  Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts.

I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people.

Ragnar

does brandon/ragnar really think anybody will ever play on a poker site where he is involved if this is the way he runs business?!?

Still nothing, no email reply
no Skype
no phone call

I doubt he will pay me my Bitcoin.
I gave him all the info he needs to
do the right thing.

No reply is pretty petty ... when he needed
to talk to me, i always made time for him.
I genuinely did try to help the guy.
And of course willing to help in anyway i could
to get players paid, AS PROMISED !!!

started in May it is almost September, Impressive huh?

It all boils down to this:

[7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files.  We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month.  I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code


[7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you.  He is now trying to sue me.  You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me?  I am glad that we are not in business together.


That does not relinquish his responsibility to pay players funds!!!


Brandon Casten, I did not intentionally give Bart that information
It wasnt revealed until I chewed his ass out for not getting his end of the deal done.

Since, you told me HE was the reason for dragging this out so many months!!!
Apparently that wasnt true!! That is why Bart considered suing you...

I did what i did so the players could get paid, including me !!!
not out of some malice to you, Hell I tried to help you!!
 I kinda feel bad now for the way I cussed Bart.

~~plo8

all good, funds received in less than 24hrs.

It is Friday 1 full business week, no reply to email..
No reply to posts.
He has my Skype and my phone number,
And my reply to his email.

I actually need to know where does the Buck stop !!! Is it Brandon, is it Ragnar. Are these 2 people who perhaps do not communicate

My experience is the longer someone owes me, the less they think they owe me.

I live in the online Bitcoin poker world, I have fully explained my case for refund.

I believe, the poker community knows im no liar, or scammer  of any type, EVER !!!

I have a long history as fair and honest, with a substantial number of online Bitcoin poker players.

I am bitter. When i give of myself to help someone and they screw me over i get that way !!

Hopefully he will get it together and do the right thing....

~~plo8

omg

business the satoshi way...

plo: i hope youll get your founds back!!!!

I see exactly what is going on here.

Ragnar, the backend and spreadsheet showed player balances without the pending withdrawals. Brandon should be aware of this as the entire conversation pre-sale we have been discussing the enterra balances and pending withdrawals. You can find the pending withdrawals in the transactions.sql which Brandon confirmed you have in your possession. You can also cancel the pending withdrawals manually in the Enterra backend and see the amounts of the withdrawal requests recredited back to the accounts.

I thought you guys were aware of this as I had a lengthy conversation with Brandon about this after he asked me about plo8monster's and other player's balances.

Just cancel the pending withdrawals so all players get what they are owed. The spreadsheet mentioned above is not including these pending withdrawals, but then again they only show 13 BTC in outstanding balance. Guess why we agreed on 22 btc? Because that included these withdrawals.

Get it sorted

The following, shows Brandon/Ragnar (whatever identity he wishes to portray) Ask me time and again to get Bart to do something "PLEASE TALK TO BART"

I helped Brandon as much as i possibly could to be get the sale completed and players paid !!!

Now in response, he lashes out at me. And now replies to my request for funds with a cheesy email telling me that he thinks 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin I kept on SP is a good compromise !! BS!!!

I believe it was done to punish me for giving Bart some piece of information Brandon shared with me !!!





[5/22/2014 3:12:43 PM] plo8 monster: Brandon are you available for a couple minutes??

[5/22/2014 3:13:49 PM] plo8 monster: [Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:08 PM] plo8 monster:

<<< So is the sale complete, has Bart gotten you all neccessary transfers of control ?? I still need access to my funds... I am now current on my personal bills, but still almost 2k short of head stone and a 2yr upkeep contract.... These guys have been very patient with me getting them paid.. but will not deliver head stone until reciept of $1978 ... I need 4 btc urgently... I do have a w/d in place on the site, but i do not know how you plan to proceed... Im not trying to be pushy in any way, I am trying to just let this all fall into place.. But my Btc is a large part of why Bart sold SP... I really owuldnt bother you if it were not important.... Can ya please let me know your plans to get me paid..? Is there anything i can do to help? Just let me know...

[5/22/2014 3:39:37 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey Randy,  I am tied up at the moment.  I cannot release any funds until Bart hands over all of the property of SP.  At this point, we haven't heard back from him other than that he couldn't access one of the emails.  The sooner Bart gives us what we need the sooner you can get paid, so if you want to talk to Bart, that would make things quicker

[5/22/2014 3:40:38 PM] plo8 monster: I will do... he gave me the impression it was complete...sorry to bother ya, i will hit bart up asap a light a fire under his feet LOL

[5/22/2014 3:41:05 PM] Brandon Casten: Haha.  Sounds good.  As soon as he gets us everything we will be all set

[5/22/2014 3:41:42 PM] plo8 monster: well he knows what shape i am in.... im sure he will hurry up and get it done

[5/22/2014 3:44:20 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good



[6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set.  Thank you, Randy!  BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info
[6/2/2014 8:29:40 PM] plo8 monster: ok i will .... i will speak to him sometime today
[6/2/2014 8:29:47 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you!



[7/1/2014 3:02:08 PM] plo8 monster: Hey Brandon, what is the status of players funds on SP. I need to know apporximatley when you wil pay the balance of my account on SP off... I have waited very patiently, it is now July and you have still have my bitcoin.. whats up with that Brandon??? Can you tell me when you intend to honor the accounts on SP. This seems like a very very long time to pay off players accounts...

[7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files.  We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month.  I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code


[7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you.  He is now trying to sue me.  You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me?  I am glad that we are not in business together.

[7/9/2014 10:41:51 AM | Edited 10:42:50 AM] plo8 monster: BRANDON !!!  Wow, your lashing out at me? Dude, i have tried to be helpful to you.. I dont know what the hell your talking about a quote from Bart??  Man I rarely speak to Bart, because he always has way to much drama for me.. I think ya both have been somewhat childish and immature, and the players who have bitcoin on the site suffer!!! You squable over semantics while the players are still not paid !! I really dont know your plans, but if you let anger at Bart dictate your behaviour, well than your no better than him... Goodluck in whatever direction you take. If you think I have betrayed you or even think that i am the sort of person who would do you wrong,  then i rekon i am glad we are not in business together also.. AS for an advance, you cant advance me what is mine to begin with.. Jesus Brandon where is your head..LOL I have seen Bart piss people off before, but your hem hawing around and not getting players paid is just poor business, and poor Karma. Are you under contract to pay the players off? If you do right by the players Brandon..I will stand up for you...Publicly!!  ....IF you keep jack assing around with Bart blaming him and not getting anything done. I will not be willing to help in any way. I am pretty disgusted with the BOTH of you ..and YES I AM sending Bart a copy of this also !!!! ...

*********************************************************************************************************************

I may have no recourse to get my payment in full from you Brandon Casten, BUT YOU can bet your last Bitcoin

I will not go away. So you make small payments to a few players, for image,  but the large accounts ..you think you can compromise.. What a crock of crap !!



**************************** PLAYERS BEWARE, !!!!

The following is the email correspondence, after sending request per the post in this thread provided by Brandon Casten:

Randy,

I am the one who is charged with analyzing the data and making decisions
on refunds.  For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched
the one that we pulled from the SP database), we are refunding their
balances with no questions asked and have done so for 11 people to date,
including you.

For people with balances that we cannot verify, we are finding a
compromise.  There has been one other person in your shoes, who claims
to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify. We
were able to come to a fair agreement with that person even though we
were note bound to pay him by the contract with Bart.  We'd like to
believe everyone is telling the truth, but we could open the doors to a
ton of people claiming they have BTC that they didn't earn and we'd open
the door for scams.  All decisions made to refund unverified balances
are made on a case by case basis.

At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by
both the database and Bart.  We have already paid you 5 BTC and you were
the first person to get paid.  I know you claim to have been owed a
total of 7.8 BTC, but we have no way of verifying that you actually
owned all of those BTC.  For this reason, we feel like paying you 5 BTC
is a pretty fair compromise.

Best,

{{{{**************************  IN THE EMAIL THEY SENT ....  I see them say " For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched
the one that we pulled from the SP database)," :: " we are refunding their
balances with no questions""                                          THAT IS ... in beginning of email, then at end of email they say ...." At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by
both the database and Bart. "  and the withdraw in question has been validated by Brandon a month ago ,,, see the following skype chat***************}}}}}}}.

.I would think getting players paid promptly would be priiority 1.... I dont know ....guesse i shouldnt be minding oyur business... I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward...
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night.  Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
[6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. T

BOTTOM LINE IS HE KNEW ABOUT THE PENDING WITHDRAW, BUT IS MAD AT ME AND DENYING ME PAYMENT IF FULL !!!

And my reply, which is still unanswered: ( my reply is the following )

Not sure why ya would send this email.

Brandon Casten is aware of the withdraw and the 2.8 btc balance on the site. He has been a gentleman about everything right up until Bart Van Oort pulled his BS. Dont blame him for being angry, but it is misdirected at me.
I expect Brandon to keep his word as agreed and pay me the balance of my funds. That balance is 2.8 btc

[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night.  Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.

I had 7.8 btc on site //// and a 4 btc withdraw pending (never processed) Brandon is aware of this /// Brandon graciously sent me 5 btc of my balance to help with some funeral expenses (for that i am so very grateful)... The 5 he sent means the balance is 2.8 Btc... He agreed to send upon opening the site.

You will show a balance of 3,8 .. beacause of the 7.8btc balance minus the pending 4 btc withdraw ..that is in question!!

I did offer a compromise ...send me 2 btc and leave .8 on site to give it a test drive and good Public Review !! as I promised I would all along.....

Please Ragnar, discuss this with Brandon..

Thank you for your prompt reply !!!

**********************************
THE PENDING WITHDRAW (WAS VALIDATED BY BRANDON!!)
This is the deal, Brandon knew there was a 4 btc pending withdraw of the 7.8 bitcoin i held in SP
He sent me 5 Btc to help with a funeral expense (he was in negotiations with me to help him restore the site, so he sent 5)
I accepted A better offer from a major online poker site. And i then went to the back burner...although i continued to try and help the sale complete and players paid!!!
The 3.8 btc they show currently on my account verified by data base and Bart ..is the result of 7.8 bitcoin minus  4 btc with draw that never was processed, showing 4(pending w/d) + 3.8

Brandon paid 5 of the 7.8 btc...they owe me 2.8...

BEWARE PLAYERS !!!  they tell me they are negotiating with people who had "who claims
to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify"

they meant TO SAY  pending WITHDRAW that was never paid...
They are speaking of a pending withdraw //// deposit is a typo :

.. I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward...
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night.  Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
[6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. Ty

Now that i am no longer of value to him, he decides not to honor his agreement !! plus he is pisses because i told Bart why he wasnt paying players yet!!!

HE has all the information to validate my account, and yet sends me a cheesy email telling me they feel partial payment is a good compromise because they cant validate, what Brandon clearly states he validated !!!

And they make statement they have compromised with another player.. So players beware !!! you owe them no compromise..

They can either keep their word in full, or be cheesy, Foolishly thinking the players dont communicate with one another !!

I have sacrificed enough, thru this all...I WILL NOT COMPROMISE !!! PAY ME IN FULL AS YOU AGREED.  YOUR GAMBLE WITH KARMA IS A POOR INDICATOR OF WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH YOUR NEW SITE!!

~~~plo8monster

Why if you are doing the right thing would you send me a reply email asking for a compromise.. You were 100% aware of my funds on the site. And agreed to pay me. in full...
You were kind enough to pay me 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin i kept on site. I expect you to be a gentleman and honor your agreement with me. Honestly i think you are responding to my request for refund pretty cheesy.
I think it is in response to me sharing what ya said to me,  with Bart. All i was trying to do was light a fire under Bart to get him to give ya all the keys ya needed to complete the sale. Your anger over Barts antics are misdirected at me.

[6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set.  Thank you, Randy!  BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info.

I do not wish to make our conversations public Brandon Casten. I simply wish to be refunded my bitcoin just like the other players. I kept my funds online for months and months to be sure Bart could cover players requests.. And my funds were the lions share of the site.. You were aware i held ~~8btc of the 22BTC debt to players, you agreed to pay....
I am honest to a fault, I am not trying to get over on you, and your email to me made me feel as if you think i am trying to scam you... I took it personally as an insult !!!!

My funds on SP were seldom available to me during the last 4 months of SP. I HAD TO keep them on site just to protect players funds. So now my efforts come back to me with you telling me you think paying 5 of the 7.8 as a compromise. YOU ARE and WERE !!! FULLY AWARE OF MY FUNDS ON SITE !!!

I Replied to your compromise, cheesy email.. Please do the right thing Brandon. Im not the one you should punish for Bart's posts.... All i ever did was try and help you thru dealing with Bart.. I know how that can get. Bart can be a real shit to deal with, so I fully understand your anger: but it is misdirected at me.....

Keep your word, be  a good man not some immature responses to the former CEO, that effect me and my family. The 2.8 btc you still owe me is no small amount. That is a lot of tuition money... I do not agree to a compromise .... Pay as you agreed to. If you allow your anger at Bart to effect the way you treat me, then you are absolutely no better than he is.. Taking or keeping what is NOT YOURS is Stealing, no matter if you put lipstick on it, and call it a compromise.




~~plo8

added:

Nothing will please me more than printing a retraction to this post !!!

I do have confidence you will do the right thing. The moment i see my bitcoin sent to my wallet i will retract or remove the post!!

Im sure you have lots to deal with, matter fact it was me who you consulted very early on to start this ball rolling. I have confidence you will do the right thing,

however, I feel the need to speak up. The players need to know you are trying to short change me.  They know how hard i worked for them. Do you ??

like i said I will be very happy to turn this post into good account for your venture with BurnTurn.. Do you really want this to haunt you.. Please do the right thing so I can retract my posts!

I do NOT LIKE DRAMA, i simply want to be paid what is mine !! As you agreed to ...

~~plo8

i get back my funds very fast.

thank you

RagnarBT, All I wanted is BurnTurn to start paying out the players as was promised. As I see you are now making a serious effort to do so, I wish you the best of luck with BurnTurn Poker!

No problem!

Thanks you for sending my funds, hopefully it confirms
https://blockchain.info/tx/578a0da8be688a25af98cb8dcea82656fbddc8f7fb87ac90390c7874f075c396

st1letto,

My pleasure!  I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal.  When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn.  It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created.

The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me.  I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust.  I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience.  Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant.

Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: [email protected]

Thank you,

Ragnar

Dear RagnarBT!

Thanks for taking a prompt action and sending me my outstanding funds on SP behalf as their successor!

I feel like the lucky one, just turned up at the right time, already after abandoning all hopes!

On another note - I wish both sides come to terms [unlikely], I understand you are very strongly passionate and ambitious each for his own business, I feel the same at time when I cannot agree with someone who does not share my view in business, and that has served me badly so many times and partnerships, alliances have been broken!

Can't we all prosper under the same sky? I understand, fighting your rivals or competition is also very attractive, too! But still, let's think about it, okay!

Best regards to all involved parties!

Lol, what's wrong with your posh and fabulous localpunter.com?

My Apologies!  The email went to the wrong folder.  I found your email and refunded the BTC.  For the sake of all on this post, can you verify that you received them?

I apologize for the delay and hope you'll enjoy BurnTurn Poker!

Best,

Ragnar

I'm looking forward to the outcome!