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Topic: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 342. (Read 723990 times)

legendary
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I'll say it again: I understand the reasons why there can be *some* delays/shortages, but I would prefer if bitfinex would consider leaning slightly more towards "profit taking", and not overestimating counterparty risk (and whatever other reasons exist to withhold fiat from bitstamp),

I'd like to see at least one more exchange. Maybe a deal with campbx or btc-e? Even MtGox if possible again? Would diversify risks + bring more liquidity.

BTCChina :-)
hero member
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I'll say it again: I understand the reasons why there can be *some* delays/shortages, but I would prefer if bitfinex would consider leaning slightly more towards "profit taking", and not overestimating counterparty risk (and whatever other reasons exist to withhold fiat from bitstamp),

I'd like to see at least one more exchange. Maybe a deal with campbx or btc-e? Even MtGox if possible again? Would diversify risks + bring more liquidity.
legendary
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One completely different question:

For obvious reasons, I prefer using NoScript when engaging in trading Cheesy

I noticed that bitfinex makes use of objects from external sources, e.g. googleusercontent.

It's not terrible per se, but I would rather only allow objects from bitfinex itself. I noticed I can make use of the website with googleusercontent disabled, but some minor glitches appear. Any chance you can unify all scripts on bitfinex's own domain?
hero member
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Hello everyone,

people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...

it's always a good reminder, risk zero never happens.

For the hack and glitches, it's our job it never happens to this extent Smiley

iFinex Inc's address:
1601, 16th Floor, The Sun’s Group Centre, 200 Gloucester Road, Hong Kong

EDIT: In case the address field (from the bank form) is too long for the whole address, use this shortened version:
1601, The Sun Group Centre, 200 Gloucester Road
Hong Kong


Raphy, I think you may want to put this address along with the other wire details on the info page.

Thanks 8fold, that would be a good idea indeed, I'll put it in a few hour.

Looks like there are still quite some issues with getting money over to actually liquid markets - I can't explain ~40% interest rates on USD otherwise while Bitcoin goes vertical and does a few 1000% return in a year if you consider just short term positions.

Please get more USD to Bitstamp!

Also:
Suddenly nearly all my lending positions (from various days) were returned all at once. What's going on there? Whales cashing out? Seems unlikely that all my positions were lent to only one single person though... Anyways, let's get this lending rate TO THA MOON and let the lenders also earn some profit and be frustrated that they didn't buy BTC with their USD instead.

We recently welcomed some pretty big lenders over here that may explain it. Although I suspect the rates will start to go up very soon if the lending book is of any indication.

Also, there are a very few people with pretty decent positions actually, borrowing an indecent amount of money. That's why probably a lot of your loans were returned suddenly if one of those closed his position.

I don't like how clicking the auto lend or deactivate auto lend now makes the whole page reload.

I know, this is for now to prevent putting more offers than you have in your tradable balance (stupid caching thing I need to look more into). This will hopefully be reverted back soon but not after some other issues are solved (see below)

Looks like there are still quite some issues with getting money over to actually liquid markets - I can't explain ~40% interest rates on USD otherwise while Bitcoin goes vertical and does a few 1000% return in a year if you consider just short term positions.

Please get more USD to Bitstamp!

Also:
Suddenly nearly all my lending positions (from various days) were returned all at once. What's going on there? Whales cashing out? Seems unlikely that all my positions were lent to only one single person though... Anyways, let's get this lending rate TO THA MOON and let the lenders also earn some profit and be frustrated that they didn't buy BTC with their USD instead.

While in the past I've also been annoyed at the lack of funds on bitstamp, I'm going to bring up a defense of sorts:

What are they supposed to do instead, in your opinion? Say the total amount of USD deposited by their users is 10M $. Put it all on bistamp, in one or more transaction? That brings along a *huge* counterparty risk (bank collapse, government seizure, even just temporary freezing of fiat assets in Slovenia). Raphael and Giancarlo have said repeatedly that they consider safety ultimately the higher goal than profit taking (of course trying to balance the two goals).

So how much of the total fiat should be placed on bitstamp? I don't know how they actually do it, but I would suspect that they try to anticipate the market to a degree, and send money over to bitstamp based on that evaluation. Sometimes, when the markets goes full retard like now, that might not be enough Cheesy

That said, I would also prefer if bitfinex would be *slightly* more aggressive in sending money to bitstamp. It was pretty clear that we continue to be in a rally, so it's also clear that more money than usual should have been send.

I'll say it again: I understand the reasons why there can be *some* delays/shortages, but I would prefer if bitfinex would consider leaning slightly more towards "profit taking", and not overestimating counterparty risk (and whatever other reasons exist to withhold fiat from bitstamp),

Thanks for the points, you pretty much nailed it. A few more things:
it's impossible to anticipate the market. Sometimes BFX is more net bearish than Bitstamp (even during bull run) and we have a *lot* of money on Bitstamp, sometimes it becomes net buyer and 1 million (not a figure of speech) is eaten in a few hours (like today, shortage coming in 3 ... 2... 1...).  

As far as I know, ripple is not possible for us, the money still need to physically be wired somewhere.

What we need is more people using Bitfinex to sell their bitcoins. Currently our flow is approximately 10 usd deposited for 1 withdrawn; If it were more balanced the shortage would be less present. So spread the words, we withdraw fast Smiley

Some last words:
I know cloudflare screen is a pain. It will hopefully not last more than a few days but are the only alternative right now while I'm kicking some ass... waiting for new servers to be delivered and *finally* install a solution more easily scalable (until now scaling was quite long as you can see, but after this, it will be far more easy, without going into technical details).

Thank you all for choosing us
Raphael
Bitfinex team
legendary
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Looks like there are still quite some issues with getting money over to actually liquid markets - I can't explain ~40% interest rates on USD otherwise while Bitcoin goes vertical and does a few 1000% return in a year if you consider just short term positions.

Please get more USD to Bitstamp!

Also:
Suddenly nearly all my lending positions (from various days) were returned all at once. What's going on there? Whales cashing out? Seems unlikely that all my positions were lent to only one single person though... Anyways, let's get this lending rate TO THA MOON and let the lenders also earn some profit and be frustrated that they didn't buy BTC with their USD instead.

While in the past I've also been annoyed at the lack of funds on bitstamp, I'm going to bring up a defense of sorts:

What are they supposed to do instead, in your opinion? Say the total amount of USD deposited by their users is 10M $. Put it all on bistamp, in one or more transaction? That brings along a *huge* counterparty risk (bank collapse, government seizure, even just temporary freezing of fiat assets in Slovenia). Raphael and Giancarlo have said repeatedly that they consider safety ultimately the higher goal than profit taking (of course trying to balance the two goals).

So how much of the total fiat should be placed on bitstamp? I don't know how they actually do it, but I would suspect that they try to anticipate the market to a degree, and send money over to bitstamp based on that evaluation. Sometimes, when the markets goes full retard like now, that might not be enough Cheesy

That said, I would also prefer if bitfinex would be *slightly* more aggressive in sending money to bitstamp. It was pretty clear that we continue to be in a rally, so it's also clear that more money than usual should have been send.

I'll say it again: I understand the reasons why there can be *some* delays/shortages, but I would prefer if bitfinex would consider leaning slightly more towards "profit taking", and not overestimating counterparty risk (and whatever other reasons exist to withhold fiat from bitstamp),
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
Looks like there are still quite some issues with getting money over to actually liquid markets - I can't explain ~40% interest rates on USD otherwise while Bitcoin goes vertical and does a few 1000% return in a year if you consider just short term positions.

Please get more USD to Bitstamp!

Also:
Suddenly nearly all my lending positions (from various days) were returned all at once. What's going on there? Whales cashing out? Seems unlikely that all my positions were lent to only one single person though... Anyways, let's get this lending rate TO THA MOON and let the lenders also earn some profit and be frustrated that they didn't buy BTC with their USD instead.

maybe it's a sign for you to buy BTC? Wink
hero member
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I don't like how clicking the auto lend or deactivate auto lend now makes the whole page reload.
legendary
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Merit: 1007
Looks like there are still quite some issues with getting money over to actually liquid markets - I can't explain ~40% interest rates on USD otherwise while Bitcoin goes vertical and does a few 1000% return in a year if you consider just short term positions.

Please get more USD to Bitstamp!

Also:
Suddenly nearly all my lending positions (from various days) were returned all at once. What's going on there? Whales cashing out? Seems unlikely that all my positions were lent to only one single person though... Anyways, let's get this lending rate TO THA MOON and let the lenders also earn some profit and be frustrated that they didn't buy BTC with their USD instead.
sr. member
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I tried to do a wire transfer (deposit) today, but was told that I need the address of the account holder.

What address should I use?

iFinex Inc's address:
1601, 16th Floor, The Sun’s Group Centre, 200 Gloucester Road, Hong Kong

EDIT: In case the address field (from the bank form) is too long for the whole address, use this shortened version:
1601, The Sun Group Centre, 200 Gloucester Road
Hong Kong


Raphy, I think you may want to put this address along with the other wire details on the info page.
legendary
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I gave the bank all of the info from the deposit page and they wanted the address of the account holder.  Probably a business address for Bitfinex.  The deposit instructions only have the address of the bank in China.

legendary
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I tried to do a wire transfer (deposit) today, but was told that I need the address of the account holder.

What address should I use?

you should see it when you login to bitfinex and under deposit?
legendary
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I tried to do a wire transfer (deposit) today, but was told that I need the address of the account holder.

What address should I use?
legendary
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I wonder where we'll be in 5 years.




And having said this, let us resume the thread and stick to Bitfinex issues.  Smiley
Agreed, I went a bit off-topic there.
sr. member
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I wonder where we'll be in 5 years.




And having said this, let us resume the thread and stick to Bitfinex issues.  Smiley
legendary
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people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...
bankruptcy? there could be worse things...
Enjoy your luxurious villa and yacht, or the dumpsters, whichever it turns out to be.  I guess I'll be living my life in a regular house.

I don't own any seizable assets other than a motorcycle. anyways, the only loan i took out was a student loan, and the only dollars I put into Bitcoin were the dollars I received from a tuition refund check.
I wasn't trying to make this personal, but was rather just trying to make the point that somebody who takes a lot of risk can come out rich or poor.  
Even if you don't have seizable assets, your paycheck will be withheld if you are into a lot of debt, no?  I don't know how the system works in the US, where I presume you are from.

yes, assuming I ever draw a paycheck.
The thing about bitcoin, it antiquates a lot of the preexisting infrastructure, legally and financially. And in the US, "the system" is only getting older and older, and a bit more senile day by day...
I wonder where we'll be in 5 years.
legendary
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people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...
bankruptcy? there could be worse things...
Enjoy your luxurious villa and yacht, or the dumpsters, whichever it turns out to be.  I guess I'll be living my life in a regular house.

I don't own any seizable assets other than a motorcycle. anyways, the only loan i took out was a student loan, and the only dollars I put into Bitcoin were the dollars I received from a tuition refund check.
I wasn't trying to make this personal, but was rather just trying to make the point that somebody who takes a lot of risk can come out rich or poor.  
Even if you don't have seizable assets, your paycheck will be withheld if someone is into a lot of debt, no?  I don't know how the system works in the US, where I presume you are from.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...
bankruptcy? there could be worse things...
Enjoy your luxurious villa and yacht, or the dumpsters, whichever it turns out to be.  I guess I'll be living my life in a regular house.

I don't own any seizable assets other than a motorcycle. anyways, the only loan i took out was a student loan, and the only dollars I put into Bitcoin were the dollars I received from a tuition refund check.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
₪``Campaign Manager´´₪
people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...
bankruptcy? there could be worse things...
Enjoy your luxurious villa and yacht, or the dumpsters, whichever it turns out to be.  I guess I'll be living my life in a regular house.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...

bankruptcy? there could be worse things...
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
₪``Campaign Manager´´₪
people finally finding you can take out a bank loan and deposit cash into bfx? Smiley
And then some hack, glitch, or mega-selloff happens and you are into debt for the rest of your life?  No thanks...
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