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Topic: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 349. (Read 723558 times)

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BFX is the quiet giant of the bitcoin world. Just dropping in to say that I enjoy the site immensely.  Kiss
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We need bigger players, not smaller ones...

Plan B: Become bigger yourself, attract more users and liquidity!

http://bitcoinwatch.com/ shows a list of all exchanges, sorted by volume. Bitfinex is not even in the list. It would constantly be among the top three already. I believe this would attract a lot of interest!
There is a Bitfinex API already, it shouldn't be difficult to add.

Bitcoinwatch is part of http://bitcoincharts.com/, which list the major 5 exchanges too btw. Bitcoincharts is, or at least was, from tcatm:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1659.0

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Ente

thank you, it sounds like a great plan.
:-)
We know we are not present on all of these trackers, but this is not due to a lack of attention,
We need to become a certified money transmitter before we start our marketing efforts.
I can't say too much about it, but let's say I'm very very very confident we will be getting good news on this within a very short time.
At Bitfinex we see our business as a marathon and we are willing to sacrifice a few days for the sake of long term growth and safety.
We know we could grow bigger by taking shortcuts, but we do not want to harm our customers assets in doing so.
I believe Bitfinex offers in this moment the best possible solution in the Bitcoin world.
We are located in a Bitcoin friendly environment and we offer unique functionalities (shorting, leverage, lowest trading fees) that can't be met anywhere else.
Last but not least we have long term plans for implementing a wide range of new services to our customers, as we believe what will count at the end of the race will be the satisfaction of our customers and not the amount of money we will have piled up.
But in order to do that we also need your help.
Please talk to the people you know and tell them you like to trade with Bitfinex.
Among other things we are thinking of launching an affiliation program that will reward people referring us to new customers and anybody interested in this should get in touch with us for more details.

There will soon be a time when we will be able to hit on the drums and tell the world we exist.
But for now I'm afraid we will just have to wait for a few more days.

Have a great day and thank you to all of our customers for the great help in supporting us

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team



  

  

legendary
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We need bigger players, not smaller ones...

Plan B: Become bigger yourself, attract more users and liquidity!

http://bitcoinwatch.com/ shows a list of all exchanges, sorted by volume. Bitfinex is not even in the list. It would constantly be among the top three already. I believe this would attract a lot of interest!
There is a Bitfinex API already, it shouldn't be difficult to add.

Bitcoinwatch is part of http://bitcoincharts.com/, which list the major 5 exchanges too btw. Bitcoincharts is, or at least was, from tcatm:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinchartscom-1659

Ente
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VirVox, though they only trade SLL for BTC afaik.

Sukrim

we analyzed it, among various others...
No BTC/USD pair, no party.
Also their volume is much smaller than ours (they move about 10% of what we do).
It would be like squeezing a camel thru a needle eye.
We need bigger players, not smaller ones...

thank you for the suggestion anyway

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team
legendary
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VirVox, though they only trade SLL for BTC afaik.
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I'd still like to see things linked to another exchange just in case of a flash crash again.  I understand the funds getting trapped in Gox issue, but couldn't it be implemented with higher trading fees.  High enough that it would never get used from the regular order book, but in case of a major problem paying higher fees is better then BTC selling at $60 when you tried to get out at $80.

Should MtGox stop transferring Bitcoins or fiat altogether, BitFinex would face big trouble. I would prefer it any other way too, but wouldn't want to touch MtGox with a two meter stick at this point.

Then, I guess it would have huge implications to have several exchanges connected at BitFinex. This would be an instant arbitrage "pressure relief valve", which probably create huge fiat- and Bitcoinstreams permanently moving from one exchange to the other(s) in the background. With all the trouble showing up at the Bitcoin-fiat-connections - no idea what would happen here..

Ente

Guys

we would love to be able to give to our customers a thicker order book and better liquidity by offering another option ( even several other wouldn't be bad ) apart for Bitstamp.
But, as we care a lot about the safety of our customers' funds, we are not willing to take any risk when it comes to this.

In order to qualify a trading website must comply in my opinion with all of the following points:

1) It must be owned and managed by honest and competent people. There must be no shadiness and a good communication between the two of us.
2) It must be allowing a good and fast flow of money in and out of it's bank account.
3) It must be located in a country that is not opposed to Bitcoin, so that the possibility of its account to get frozen gets very small.

Believe me, asking to qualify to these simple 3 points don't leave us with any viable option whatsoever.
For us more liquidity would mean a better service, more customers and more business.
More business means more money.
We miss the liquidity that Gox was giving us, but we simply believe (and we were one of the first in spotting this out) that this option is not safe for our customers' assets.
Time proved us right on this call.

Having said that we would love to be able to introduce a new platform "a la Bitstamp", but we are not aware of any qualifying for the above mentioned points.
Please let us know if you have any viable suggestion, you'll get a beer on me for that!
;-)

Thanks a lot

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team



legendary
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I'd still like to see things linked to another exchange just in case of a flash crash again.  I understand the funds getting trapped in Gox issue, but couldn't it be implemented with higher trading fees.  High enough that it would never get used from the regular order book, but in case of a major problem paying higher fees is better then BTC selling at $60 when you tried to get out at $80.

Should MtGox stop transferring Bitcoins or fiat altogether, BitFinex would face big trouble. I would prefer it any other way too, but wouldn't want to touch MtGox with a two meter stick at this point.

Then, I guess it would have huge implications to have several exchanges connected at BitFinex. This would be an instant arbitrage "pressure relief valve", which probably create huge fiat- and Bitcoinstreams permanently moving from one exchange to the other(s) in the background. With all the trouble showing up at the Bitcoin-fiat-connections - no idea what would happen here..

Ente
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I'd still like to see things linked to another exchange just in case of a flash crash again.  I understand the funds getting trapped in Gox issue, but couldn't it be implemented with higher trading fees.  High enough that it would never get used from the regular order book, but in case of a major problem paying higher fees is better then BTC selling at $60 when you tried to get out at $80.
legendary
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so you guys are using bitfinex without any issues?  just wondering as  i have had an account for a while and given issues at other places, i am wary of trying out other services

Technically, all working fine here for months.
It's things like slippage, flashcrashs, margin calls which may make your trading-life miserable. Which has nothing to do with the platform itself ;-)

Actually:
A few times I put up "borrow offers", where I meant to put up "lending offers". Did I accidently choose the wrong drop-down entry? May very well happen from time to time. Or did anyone experience similar things? Maybe three times now, in the last one, two weeks. Never happened before.

Ente
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so you guys are using bitfinex without any issues?  just wondering as  i have had an account for a while and given issues at other places, i am wary of trying out other services

I've been using it for 6 months now never had an issue, but that is just my experience, can't speak for others.
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
so you guys are using bitfinex without any issues?  just wondering as  i have had an account for a while and given issues at other places, i am wary of trying out other services
legendary
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Whenever someone puts in a borrow request for e.g. 365 days, they are either laughably small or (if they are high, like in the recent interest spike) get repaid  and replaced by cheaper rates after a few hours.

I decided to stick to VIR, as anything that is lent out (even and especially on request(!)) with manual rates tends to suck and gets closed pretty fast and is hard to re-lend out due to changing rates.
legendary
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I don't understand landing offers for 2-5 days max. What trader can do within such timeframe?

People, please offer 30 days+ lendings.
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one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?


up, number 2



I realy need an answer to this, as I put my stop losses over/under order walls....Would be fatal to have stop loss triggered before that specific wall falls

Hello capoeira,

In both case, no matter the routing, the stop loss will be triggered by the ticker bid. So even if you route to BFX at stop loss order at 120, if there is a bitstamp bid at 120.2, your stop loss won't be triggered.

Let me know if it answers the questions
Best regards
Raphael
Bitfinex team


I actually meant "routed to Stamp"....but I guess my question is answered anyways
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one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?


up, number 2



I realy need an answer to this, as I put my stop losses over/under order walls....Would be fatal to have stop loss triggered before that specific wall falls

Hello capoeira,

In both case, no matter the routing, the stop loss will be triggered by the ticker bid. So even if you route to BFX at stop loss order at 120, if there is a bitstamp bid at 120.2, your stop loss won't be triggered.

Let me know if it answers the questions
Best regards
Raphael
Bitfinex team
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That's less then a percent a day, BTC can certainly move more then that.


If it is that easy to trade to gain more than 1% profit per day. Many would be doing it right now.



I never said it was easy, but the volatility is certainly there some days to make money on a 300+% loan.
legendary
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That's less then a percent a day, BTC can certainly move more then that.


If it is that easy to trade to gain more than 1% profit per day. Many would be doing it right now.

hero member
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Was wondering who paid 360% on many of my loan.

Is margin trading really that profitable?
If you don't know what your doing when placing an order then you take any loan available.

That's less then a percent a day, BTC can certainly move more then that.
legendary
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Thank you all, I don't think I have any reason to not trust Bitfinex.

I don't know how experienced you are, Tamis. I would suggest to trade with 10% of your Bitcoins only, for a start. And maybe with a token amount only until you figure out how all those functions work. They are all well documented, but you still has to wrap your head around them. And then there are details, like for example "what lending gets automatically closed when I sell?" which you simply have to try out. With 0.01 BTC for example.
So, no, I don't see BitFinex as the risk here, we ourselves are the risk for our Bitcoins ;-)

Seeing how bullish the market is I don't think I really risk anything at the time being !  I went to Bitfinex to get stop orders I couldn't use on Bitstamp.
I entered at 86$ stop is a 123ish.

Nice! :-)

Question about stop-loss in general:
Lets say I have a large volume margin position, and enter a stop loss. When exactly is it executed? Like, for example, stop loss at 123, at a volume of 1000 BTC? There would not be enough volume at 123. Would the system start at 126 BTC/USD exchange rate, so it closed the position when reaching 123? Or would it start closing at 123, which might not finish selling until the exchange rate dropped to 120?



Ente

Ente

The stop loss would be triggered at 123 USD, more specifically if the bid is at 123 for a sell stop, if the ask is at 123 for a buy stop.
So yes, you can have some slippage if the order is large enough, because it's impossible to calculate the depth beforehand.

I hope that helps

Have a good sunday

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team



one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?


up, number 2



I realy need an answer to this, as I put my stop losses over/under order walls....Would be fatal to have stop loss triggered before that specific wall falls
vip
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Was wondering who paid 360% on many of my loan.

Is margin trading really that profitable?
If you don't know what your doing when placing an order then you take any loan available.
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