Oh shit, it's a draw - Blockstream wins

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on March 31, 2017, 04:50:45 AM

I think the panic now has subsided, and Bitcoin Unlimited is no more, for now. I have reads articles and they said that this is the second time that hard forking failed, but it is not really surprising because there are only a few that cares about Bitcoin Unlimited, and they are the stupid ones, I think there will be no hard forking again for a very long time, I think the solution for the long confirmations and large fees are the only problems now.

Oh well, I hope you are right. I for one is not inclined for BU to happen though there are also many posts here praising and evangelizing for the beauty of this choice. Sometimes I am really confused as who is telling the truth and what group is really working with the interest of all stakeholders in mind. I now realized that Bitcoin is a failure in changing human nature as we are bringing both our strengths and weaknesses into the real of cryptocurrency. Hope the best will win eventually here.

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Maybe there will be more people disagreeing with me, but I do not want bitcoin branching, so I'm glad if this is the end result, I'd like bitcoin to be it, without any Any changes including segwit and BU. However, if mandatory fork occurs and bitcoin core can not survive, I will choose segwit, since every angle I see it is still better than BU. BU is just a false thought that is destroying bitcoin.

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Quote from: X7 on March 31, 2017, 09:44:22 AM

Most people don't get it, if BU wins.... EVERYONE loses.

If the BU wins, we will get big block and smooth transactions. If the Core adopts the big block, it is even better.

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Quote from: RawDog on March 29, 2017, 10:38:35 AM

OK - we are now stuck on 36.8% and a bit less than that for Core. So, there will be no fork and no change. Blockstream wins.

We need to make the rules such that the parties that don't vote, don't count. It will be very hard to get over 50% when so many miners are not indicating SegWit or BU. When throwing away the non-voters, we are presently at >51% for BU. Enough for a fork today.

OMG you can't be that retarded man. Embarrassed

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Quote from: RawDog on March 29, 2017, 10:38:35 AM

OK - we are now stuck on 36.8% and a bit less than that for Core. So, there will be no fork and no change. Blockstream wins.

We need to make the rules such that the parties that don't vote, don't count. It will be very hard to get over 50% when so many miners are not indicating SegWit or BU. When throwing away the non-voters, we are presently at >51% for BU. Enough for a fork today.

People already voted:

Nobody cares about BU except Roger Ver and Chinese Mining Mafia. Better luck next time.

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Quote from: X7 on March 31, 2017, 09:44:22 AM

Most people don't get it, if BU wins.... EVERYONE loses.

BU's issue lies in the devs and their QA (or lack thereof).
As a proposal itself, it's more in line with Satoshi's vision than SegWit is.

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Most people don't get it, if BU wins.... EVERYONE loses.

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Quote from: XbladeX on March 30, 2017, 03:26:56 AM

Quote from: Xester on March 30, 2017, 03:20:54 AM

Quote from: RawDog on March 29, 2017, 10:38:35 AM

OK - we are now stuck on 36.8% and a bit less than that for Core. So, there will be no fork and no change. Blockstream wins.

We need to make the rules such that the parties that don't vote, don't count. It will be very hard to get over 50% when so many miners are not indicating SegWit or BU. When throwing away the non-voters, we are presently at >51% for BU. Enough for a fork today.

It is hard but let us just face that fact that there are nothing more to do that can change the situation. Even if we make many comments on this forum still they will not give time to read it nor change their minds. So let us just accept that fact and hope the upcoming UASF can do something about the situations that we are facing right now. Let us just hope that blockstream will do something fast on our blocksize problems.

I think that UASF can force some changes : )
If we start UASF i will setup my raspberry PI and join republic forces aganist dark side

better is act than wait to death

With current situation only winner is ETH (Dash was just pump) - Eth is rising and chopping BTC

That is our last hope for bitcoin and that is to support UASF. If we all unite our forces and support UASF then we can strenghten our cause for a revolution against the miners. If we are all united the miners will have no choice but to give up their power and submit to what we want. Hope UASF will be implemented sooner so that the trust of people to bitcoin will be alive again.

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Quote from: stdset on March 31, 2017, 05:49:53 AM

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So you think you understand the whitepaper well enough to use your knowledge in the argument. Then how do you think is it even possible that some changes to the protocol could be enforced despite of miners will? How do you think ETC survived despite having much less support from miners than ETH? Is the design flawed? Do multiple implementations differ from the design? Or is your understanding incomplete?

I agree even BTC will be attacked by BTU it will live and CHina miners will be that BAD guy in bar.
I don't see people rushing for China coin world wide : ) slowly i hate those chinese miners.
Mybe ETH will kick them out of work who knows

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Quote from: lurker10 on March 30, 2017, 02:38:40 AM

First write a new Bitcoin whitepaper.

So you think you understand the whitepaper well enough to use your knowledge in the argument. Then how do you think is it even possible that some changes to the protocol could be enforced despite of miners will? How do you think ETC survived despite having much less support from miners than ETH? Is the design flawed? Do multiple implementations differ from the design? Or is your understanding incomplete?

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Blockstream won't win yet until BU plan to hardfork or SW plan to use UASF, but i agree that non-voting party shouldn't be counted in few condition where update is needed.
But, i'm sure more bitcoiner will support SegWit even if hard fork happen in future.

Also, i wonder if we can accept SW but refuse to support LN Huh

I don't think BU will plan to hardfork if they don't get enough support even they have majority hash rate. The HF should be carefully prepared.

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Blockstream didn't win, SW will not active if they don't increase the block size. without SW, thier LN
can't work.

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Having >51% miner support for BTU wouldn't mean that a potential fork even with such support would end up being successful in the long run. Miner support doesn't equal market support, so the crypto economy would only get around using the chain with the greatest long term volumes. In my opinion, I don't think that any potential bitcoin fork outside of consensus would ever have the potential to do this.

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I think the panic now has subsided, and Bitcoin Unlimited is no more, for now. I have reads articles and they said that this is the second time that hard forking failed, but it is not really surprising because there are only a few that cares about Bitcoin Unlimited, and they are the stupid ones, I think there will be no hard forking again for a very long time, I think the solution for the long confirmations and large fees are the only problems now.

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Quote from: XbladeX on March 30, 2017, 03:26:56 AM

Quote from: Xester on March 30, 2017, 03:20:54 AM

Quote from: RawDog on March 29, 2017, 10:38:35 AM

OK - we are now stuck on 36.8% and a bit less than that for Core. So, there will be no fork and no change. Blockstream wins.

We need to make the rules such that the parties that don't vote, don't count. It will be very hard to get over 50% when so many miners are not indicating SegWit or BU. When throwing away the non-voters, we are presently at >51% for BU. Enough for a fork today.

It is hard but let us just face that fact that there are nothing more to do that can change the situation. Even if we make many comments on this forum still they will not give time to read it nor change their minds. So let us just accept that fact and hope the upcoming UASF can do something about the situations that we are facing right now. Let us just hope that blockstream will do something fast on our blocksize problems.

I think that UASF can force some changes : )
If we start UASF i will setup my raspberry PI and join republic forces aganist dark side

better is act than wait to death

With current situation only winner is ETH (Dash was just pump) - Eth is rising and chopping BTC

There's a fork of core with code for the UASF that you can run on your Pi. Also I think that ETH is going to crash with no survivors Wink

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 31, 2017, 02:09:37 AM

In elections non-voters show their vote by not voting and in this case these non-voters are saying that they want no change. They see the evil behind both or they want to wash their hands in future, when the shit hits the fan. Nobody can blame them if any of the two implementations fails. < The coward approach to this issue >

I would rather blame the non-voters if their vote would have made a difference and it did not, if the winner fails in the future. ^grrrrrrrr^

This is pretty much what I was thinking while reading the thread. Although ignoring non-voters would get us closer to deciding, that's something you simply cannot do. It is as legitimate as blacklisting transactions or flagging "older" nodes, so to speak, or any other kind of discrimination.

Non voters are saying that they either want no change or that they believe no change currently in the works is what they believe Bitcoin requires at the moment.

If they don't vote because they don't care/want to wash their hands, well... They're not doing any good to themselves and others in general.

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Quote from: Qartada on March 30, 2017, 08:51:31 PM

I agree, I don't support BU but we need to ignore non-voters because Bitcoin really needs to move forward and in elections you don't just not vote expecting for the old candidate to stay in forever.

In elections non-voters show their vote by not voting and in this case these non-voters are saying that they want no change. They see the evil behind both or they want to wash their hands in future, when the shit hits the fan. Nobody can blame them if any of the two implementations fails. < The coward approach to this issue >

I would rather blame the non-voters if their vote would have made a difference and it did not, if the winner fails in the future. ^grrrrrrrr^

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I agree, I don't support BU but we need to ignore non-voters because Bitcoin really needs to move forward and in elections you don't just not vote expecting for the old candidate to stay in forever.

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Quote from: Xester on March 30, 2017, 03:20:54 AM

Quote from: RawDog on March 29, 2017, 10:38:35 AM

OK - we are now stuck on 36.8% and a bit less than that for Core. So, there will be no fork and no change. Blockstream wins.

We need to make the rules such that the parties that don't vote, don't count. It will be very hard to get over 50% when so many miners are not indicating SegWit or BU. When throwing away the non-voters, we are presently at >51% for BU. Enough for a fork today.

It is hard but let us just face that fact that there are nothing more to do that can change the situation. Even if we make many comments on this forum still they will not give time to read it nor change their minds. So let us just accept that fact and hope the upcoming UASF can do something about the situations that we are facing right now. Let us just hope that blockstream will do something fast on our blocksize problems.

I think that UASF can force some changes : )
If we start UASF i will setup my raspberry PI and join republic forces aganist dark side

better is act than wait to death

With current situation only winner is ETH (Dash was just pump) - Eth is rising and chopping BTC

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Quote from: RawDog on March 29, 2017, 10:38:35 AM

OK - we are now stuck on 36.8% and a bit less than that for Core. So, there will be no fork and no change. Blockstream wins.

We need to make the rules such that the parties that don't vote, don't count. It will be very hard to get over 50% when so many miners are not indicating SegWit or BU. When throwing away the non-voters, we are presently at >51% for BU. Enough for a fork today.

It is hard but let us just face that fact that there are nothing more to do that can change the situation. Even if we make many comments on this forum still they will not give time to read it nor change their minds. So let us just accept that fact and hope the upcoming UASF can do something about the situations that we are facing right now. Let us just hope that blockstream will do something fast on our blocksize problems.

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