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Hey look who it is. It's Mr ICOCountdown himself  

I am sure Alty will respond to you but I had asked a few of these questions myself way back before the ICO began and I can even answer these myself. I doubt you really did look into this very much. But I think my interest along with others helped prompt Alty to post this on the blog https://rise.vision/blog/post/why-real-estate

I'll take a stab at this (off the top of my head)

How will funds be delivered back to users?

I remember this was a big legal issue. People would not be shareholders in a legal sense. It's just a bonus beyond the core Rise project which some people are having difficulty grasping. But a % would be converted back to btc and distributed among coin holders. Not a bad deal for doing nothing while the Rise team goes out and does all the heavy lifting.

How will funds be dispersed fairly and openly.

There will be some trust on this. But costs will be documented and transparent. But the fact they are providing something above the coin itself is great. Most people invest in a coin with nothing else as a bonus. Just relying on the value of the coin itself.

Who will own the contracts to these houses? (Deeds)

Legally it would be Rise or Acre or whatever they decide to use for the name. Again, coin holders aren't shareholders.

Who will maintain and deliver these things accordingly.
Alty is in charge of all these things, believe me real estate development is no small feat.

Well I did some poking around (thank you) and dug up a bit of alty's background in real estate and I found this... however you're questioning other people without even talking about who you really are or what your background is and why you think you can make judgments? I think it's disgusting and a disservice to this community. This is probably one of the best projects of 2016 and you're messing up their chances of a bright future. One of the reasons you delisted Rise was because the testnet wasn't delivering coins (now they are). Waves is still listed on your site and they don't even have a testnet for crying out loud. Nothing like playing favorites.  

The main reason I was attracted to this project was because I personally invest in real estate.

Anyway here are company records. It's apparent to me he's been heavily involved in the RE business.

https://companycheck.co.uk/director/908104773/MR-CORMAC-STUART-LUCKING/companies

More here

https://www.duedil.com/director/908104773/cormac-stuart-lucking

Edited in: I see Alty replied already.

Thanks for reaching out. I'm interested in having a dialogue but I cannot see a position or a stance that can change my mind. Firstly the concept of running a real estate project is extremely broad, you then have a person that is already known from running away from a project with a high level of funding. History always repeats itself. Here are a few questions for you to think about with regard to the real estate project:

How will funds be delivered back to users.
How will funds be dispersed fairly and openly.
Who will own the contracts to these houses? (Deeds)
Who will maintain and deliver these things accordingly.
Alty is in charge of all these things, believe me real estate development is no small feat.

No-one is asking these questions which are extremely pertinent, if you want to trust people to do these things for you thats fine but they simply cannot be done effectively with the technology we have now. Do you trust this person to bring and move these developments forward? I cannot trust it because I know of this industry and I know of Altys past history.

The affiliate system is fabricated, when I used the affiliate system is was down to the administrator to honour this, this is not a proper affiliate program. What I think they will happen is they will use this affiliate system to gain more coins for themselves. When I was using it, it was unfair and there was no way of checking this data. I doubt there still is unless someone tests it. I doubt that anyone will be willing to test it, in the ways that I have. You should privately test it again and I can help you with this if you want to make sure it's fair.

Moreover all these developers certainly have a past see my information about Zetacoin linking the graphic developer to it. All of these coins had high ideas of development, none of which succeeded because there was no strategy in place.

I hope to find answers to these questions.

Thanks for using the site and for your kind words it is much appreciated and always know that I have everyones best interests at heart. Most notably the people I protect which is new people getting involved with crypto and crowdfunding methodology.

If you want to share this email with the broader community then that will be fine too.

Kind Regards,

Alex.

Good advice. Thanks. However, we reached out to him 8 days ago and then did a follow up email a few days after and have yet to hear from him. For whatever reasons, he's not responded to our follow ups.

-rem

Hey, that's a good one. Thanks for putting it on my radar screen.

I agree, Rise should see what it takes to get listed there. These kinds of sites really are gateways for a lot of potential investors.

It looks like ICOCountdown has some competition. I will be reaching out to Alex asking him to respond to the Rise team. To me, it will be a test of him and his site to see if/how he responds.

Try this: https://cyber.fund/radar

It has a list of active & upcoming crowdsales & also how much has been raised.

Maybe RISE can get listed here.

Well, I think ICOCountdown has become "authoritative" by virtue of being one of the only (if not the only) comprehensive listing of upcoming ICO's.

Well, I think ICOCountdown has become "authoritative" by virtue of being one of the only (if not the only) comprehensive listing of upcoming ICO's.

I'm happy to hear that you have reached out. That's too bad that he has not responded. Since he said he would welcome hearing from you, it doesn't seem right that he wouldn't acknowledge your attempt to communicate.

I might have to reach out to him and ask him to give you a fair hearing. I monitor his site frequently and have appreciated it as a good way to become aware of upcoming ICO's. It was through his site that I first became aware of Rise. I'm sure it's a gateway for many other people like me wanting to know about what's new.

I think if ICOCountdown wants to maintain the sense of being a fair, reliable, and somewhat authoritative voice on the quality of ICO projects, it needs to stay open to dialogue and ongoing investigation. Raising legitimate red flags can be a real service and I sincerely appreciate their willingness to do that when necessary. But keeping red flags up when they are not merited can be a disservice to everyone involved. So I would simply ask him to evaluate the red flags he has raised. Based on what I have seen thus far, his current stance doesn't seem fully justified. If he wants to maintain it, I think he would need to respond to your response.

Good advice. Thanks. However, we reached out to him 8 days ago and then did a follow up email a few days after and have yet to hear from him. For whatever reasons, he's not responded to our follow ups.

-rem

I think the Rise team would be wise to reach out to ICOCountdown and provide a response to the reasons he outlines for de-listing them. He even invites them to do so. I would hope he would be open to listening to what they have to say.

When I first read about the de-listing, I have to admit it really negatively impacted the way I looked at the project. But as I've thought about it more, the complaints or "charges" he makes really aren't that serious and seem to have at least some explanations behind them that could really mitigate or neutralize their impact.

Also, after following this thread for awhile, it's pretty clear that the developers are focused and diligent in providing daily updates. It appears they are acting in good faith. It certainly doesn't have the feel of a "scam" project like others that ICOCountdown has de-listed.

I agree that good marketing will be key to the success of this project both now in the ICO and in the future. I think reconciling with ICOCountdown would be a good first step. Reach out. Provide a detailed response to his concerns. Invite him to monitor this thread and see firsthand the constant work and communication that is on display here. Turning that situation around will probably benefit the bottomline return of the ICO as much as any other single thing you can do right now.

Just my suggestion.

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I heard ICOCountdown is trying to collect payment to be listed on his site from several coins. Those who don't pay he tries to dig up dirt... I used to listen to ICOcountdown to give good advice but I don't think he's someone to be trusted to be honest. All of the devs on the Rise team have come out and revealed who they are. I've talked personally with many of them. Do your own research and don't rely on others to tell you what's real and what's not. Just my 2 cents.