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January 11, 2023, 09:42:47 AM
#37
I guess it's safe to say Christmas has a way of doing things and it has certainly done something to Putin.
 News has it that the Russian president and instigator of the invasion to Ukraine has come out to declare his intentions of opening talks with Zelenksy and his Western backers, but they seem to be saying "not yet".
 
The Russian invasion to Ukraine is in its tenth month and this war is the biggest confrontation between Moscow and the West since the Missile Crisis of Cuba in 1962. [1]

Are his actions actually genuine or is he really running from something entirely? More on this news here

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=missile+crisis+cuba+1962&oq=Missile+Crisis+of+Cuba+in+19&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l4.16329j0j7&client=ms-android-transsion-infinix-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8



If he is serious about the decision of negotiation, then what is stopping him from materializing it? Everyone knows the status of Russia and its powers. Putin isn't under the pressure of anyone who can prevent him from negotiating with anyone. Also, Putin's political situation is strong enough among Russia's citizens. So I don't understand why he doesn't agree to talk to anyone.


Putin alone knows if this negotiation is for real or he just wants to use that to divert the attention of the Ukrainians then start up another hit on them, who knows? Well from the way I see Putin he's not going to let pressure make him do what he doesn't want to do but I pray both countries come to one understanding.
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January 10, 2023, 01:59:37 PM
#36
I guess it's safe to say Christmas has a way of doing things and it has certainly done something to Putin.
 News has it that the Russian president and instigator of the invasion to Ukraine has come out to declare his intentions of opening talks with Zelenksy and his Western backers, but they seem to be saying "not yet".
 
The Russian invasion to Ukraine is in its tenth month and this war is the biggest confrontation between Moscow and the West since the Missile Crisis of Cuba in 1962. [1]

Are his actions actually genuine or is he really running from something entirely? More on this news here

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=missile+crisis+cuba+1962&oq=Missile+Crisis+of+Cuba+in+19&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l4.16329j0j7&client=ms-android-transsion-infinix-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8



If he is serious about the decision of negotiation, then what is stopping him from materializing it? Everyone knows the status of Russia and its powers. Putin isn't under the pressure of anyone who can prevent him from negotiating with anyone. Also, Putin's political situation is strong enough among Russia's citizens. So I don't understand why he doesn't agree to talk to anyone.
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January 03, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
#35
Looks like they're going to be fighting until they run out of bullets.

Never will they run out of bullets, how possible will that be when both countries have allies that supply them with drones and other crazy weapons. The only way is to stop and negotiate that all.

It was a figure of speech, like saying that two guys will stop fighting once one of them loses conscience.
I'd say there's nothing to negotiate here. Russians have invaded, it didn't go well for them, they should leave and hope Ukrainians don't follow them through the border. That's where negotiations should start, so that the conflict ends at the border.
I'm sure you know how the WWII continued after the German defeat in Russia. Germans retreated and Soviets followed them to Berlin, killing, robbing and raping. Russians should negotiate for Ukrainians to stay in Ukraine when the war is over.
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January 02, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
#34
This negotiation supposed to have been done before now but it looks like the NATO is not that really for negotiation which is the really why the war is still going on. The NATO really wants total damage to the Russian economy but it seems like Putin does not want the war to go as far as this but since there is no one that is ready to negotiate then he decided to keep causing more damage to Ukraine.
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January 02, 2023, 04:00:31 PM
#33
Looks like they're going to be fighting until they run out of bullets.

Never will they run out of bullets, how possible will that be when both countries have allies that supply them with drones and other crazy weapons. The only way is to stop and negotiate that all.
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January 02, 2023, 12:55:24 PM
#32
The Ukrainian side claims to have killed 400 and wounded another 300 Russian soldiers in the recent HIMARS hit on their base in Makiivka. 4 warheads were used and the building was completely destroyed.

So, Putin said he's ready to negotiate but instead sent missiles to Kiev killing 4 people and Ukrainians are also ready to negotiate and to show their good will sent 400 Russians back in body bags. Looks like they're going to be fighting until they run out of bullets.
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January 02, 2023, 08:30:19 AM
#31
I also believe their exclusion from the world cup must have also been one of the reasons for the Christmas decision to negotiate.


The exclusion from the world cup was because of the war, if you noticed, every league was talking against the war. So FIFA disqualified them automatically, and I don't think the negotiation has anything to do with the fact that they didn't make it to the WORLD CUP.

I really don't know why but PUTIN has his reasons for coming out to talk about ending the war or negotiating.
I just wish the war will come to an end soon.

Putin will only negotiate when Russia achieves its stated goal, I don't believe they will just want to negotiate without any conditions.


Achieving it's goal is not just going to be easy or rather it will extend the war to a length that when it's time to even think of negotiating it would be hard to those who are to listen.
With or without he's achievement the time is now to stop this madness called war.

I believe that both sides want to stop the war, but they are both great powers, so making concessions first to end the war is almost impossible.  I dare to affirm that, Russia or NATO will not make concessions to end the war, their ego is too big and if any country makes concessions first, that country will not have a voice in the international arena. I am very interested in war because it affects the whole world and also us, but to be honest, I cannot think of any reason for war to end. Hopefully, there will be a country big enough to mediate and end the war.


It is true that both sides wants to stop the war but am still surprised that it was Putin that asked for a negotiation, was expecting Zelenksy to be the one to ask for a negotiation, because I see him as a calm president more than Putin since he wasn't the one who started the war.
If you see no reason for this war to end then I wonder if you feel pity for those people who lost there home, loved ones e.t.c.
We all have to pray for both leaders to put away their pride and end this, instead of using arms to solve this problem let them use pen and paper to put an end to the war.
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January 02, 2023, 05:29:24 AM
#30
I also believe their exclusion from the world cup must have also been one of the reasons for the Christmas decision to negotiate.


The exclusion from the world cup was because of the war, if you noticed, every league was talking against the war. So FIFA disqualified them automatically, and I don't think the negotiation has anything to do with the fact that they didn't make it to the WORLD CUP.

I really don't know why but PUTIN has his reasons for coming out to talk about ending the war or negotiating.
I just wish the war will come to an end soon.

Putin will only negotiate when Russia achieves its stated goal, I don't believe they will just want to negotiate without any conditions.


Achieving it's goal is not just going to be easy or rather it will extend the war to a length that when it's time to even think of negotiating it would be hard to those who are to listen.
With or without he's achievement the time is now to stop this madness called war.

I believe that both sides want to stop the war, but they are both great powers, so making concessions first to end the war is almost impossible.  I dare to affirm that, Russia or NATO will not make concessions to end the war, their ego is too big and if any country makes concessions first, that country will not have a voice in the international arena. I am very interested in war because it affects the whole world and also us, but to be honest, I cannot think of any reason for war to end. Hopefully, there will be a country big enough to mediate and end the war.
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January 02, 2023, 01:23:08 AM
#29
I also believe their exclusion from the world cup must have also been one of the reasons for the Christmas decision to negotiate.


The exclusion from the world cup was because of the war, if you noticed, every league was talking against the war. So FIFA disqualified them automatically, and I don't think the negotiation has anything to do with the fact that they didn't make it to the WORLD CUP.

I really don't know why but PUTIN has his reasons for coming out to talk about ending the war or negotiating.
I just wish the war will come to an end soon.

Putin will only negotiate when Russia achieves its stated goal, I don't believe they will just want to negotiate without any conditions.


Achieving it's goal is not just going to be easy or rather it will extend the war to a length that when it's time to even think of negotiating it would be hard to those who are to listen.
With or without he's achievement the time is now to stop this madness called war.
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January 01, 2023, 01:38:50 PM
#28
The negotiations are over.
Zelensky won't accept further negotiation until Russia moves out of Ukraine, and gives the land back.
That isn't Russia's goal, however.
So, negotiations are over.

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The question is, how much more of his people and infrastructure is Zelensky willing to sacrifice for the sake of weakening Russia and ending the war with more on his side of the table. Russia won't just move out of Ukraine, that's for sure.

Answer: All of his people and infrastructure, including his wife and himself.

Zelensky's one saving point is, Russia wants Ukraine. But by the time Zelensky gets done with it, it won't even be fit for Russia. So, Zelensky wins in the end... even if he and his people no longer exist to cheer him.

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January 01, 2023, 07:54:06 AM
#27
The negotiations are over.
Zelensky won't accept further negotiation until Russia moves out of Ukraine, and gives the land back.
That isn't Russia's goal, however.
So, negotiations are over.

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The question is, how much more of his people and infrastructure is Zelensky willing to sacrifice for the sake of weakening Russia and ending the war with more on his side of the table. Russia won't just move out of Ukraine, that's for sure.
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December 31, 2022, 06:23:32 PM
#26
The negotiations are over.
Zelensky won't accept further negotiation until Russia moves out of Ukraine, and gives the land back.
That isn't Russia's goal, however.
So, negotiations are over.

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December 31, 2022, 04:48:28 PM
#25
It is nice to see that Putin decided to negotiate but this is not the first he appeared to be ready for negotiation because the major source of the problem still remains and the problem we have in the world today is the political difference or I should call it to error because if it isn't an error another country won't have seen the independent decision of its neighboring country as a treat their country existence.
I just the new negotiation will make both Russia and Ukraine come to a meaningful conclusion.
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December 31, 2022, 03:50:45 PM
#24
They already negotiated but they stopped some time around Boris Johnson's first visit. Coincidence?
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December 31, 2022, 11:45:56 AM
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In the speech declaring his willingness to negotiate, Putin made two important points. The first point about the Patriot system that will be supplied to Ukraine, where Putin confirmed that Russia is capable of destroying it and that it will actually destroy it as soon as it arrives. The second point is his declaration of his country's readiness to negotiate with those he called the parties to the conflict in Ukraine, and I think he meant the NATO countries and the countries that declared their military and economic support for Ukraine.

It seems that Putin is really suffering losses in his military operation, and the Patriot system will be very harsh because it will be able to target sites inside Russia. I doubt, frankly, that Western countries will accept sitting at the negotiating table without preconditions, as Putin called for

In the past, Russia also had difficulty in stopping the HIMARS system, but they finally found a solution to disable it, and now the Patriot system. They may have some difficulty initially, but once again the Russians will be able to neutralize US weapons.

The war has lasted for the 11th month, so economic or military damage is inevitable, but the problem is which side suffers more, whoever stands longer will win.

Europe has no say in this war, they are the most affected party, but the one who has the right to decide this war is the terrorists of the US imperialists.

Russia announced its rejection of the terms of electronic negotiation and stipulated the recognition of the four regions it occupied as Russian regions, which was rejected by Ukraine, which apparently wants to recover all lands, including Crimea.
The two parties to the conflict are going towards further escalation, and Putin has rejected a truce on the occasion of Christmas, and the Russian forces have carried out air strikes in all of the Ukrainian regions this afternoon, awaiting new raids before the advent of the New Year.
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December 31, 2022, 04:23:41 AM
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I also believe their exclusion from the world cup must have also been one of the reasons for the Christmas decision to negotiate.


The exclusion from the world cup was because of the war, if you noticed, every league was talking against the war. So FIFA disqualified them automatically, and I don't think the negotiation has anything to do with the fact that they didn't make it to the WORLD CUP.

I really don't know why but PUTIN has his reasons for coming out to talk about ending the war or negotiating.
I just wish the war will come to an end soon.

And exclusion from the world cup is the dirtiest thing Nato has done, football is a place to say no to politics, no racism, and that tradition has been maintained since the birth of the sport of kings. I'm not defending Russia, but Nato clearly sees himself as the navel of this universe, meddling in everything they see as wrong. They need to be punished appropriately, and a new force should be established to rebalance the balance of world power.

Putin will only negotiate when Russia achieves its stated goal, I don't believe they will just want to negotiate without any conditions.
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December 30, 2022, 12:47:52 PM
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I also believe their exclusion from the world cup must have also been one of the reasons for the Christmas decision to negotiate.


The exclusion from the world cup was because of the war, if you noticed, every league was talking against the war. So FIFA disqualified them automatically, and I don't think the negotiation has anything to do with the fact that they didn't make it to the WORLD CUP.

I really don't know why but PUTIN has his reasons for coming out to talk about ending the war or negotiating.
I just wish the war will come to an end soon.
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December 30, 2022, 06:18:18 AM
#20
In the speech declaring his willingness to negotiate, Putin made two important points. The first point about the Patriot system that will be supplied to Ukraine, where Putin confirmed that Russia is capable of destroying it and that it will actually destroy it as soon as it arrives. The second point is his declaration of his country's readiness to negotiate with those he called the parties to the conflict in Ukraine, and I think he meant the NATO countries and the countries that declared their military and economic support for Ukraine.

It seems that Putin is really suffering losses in his military operation, and the Patriot system will be very harsh because it will be able to target sites inside Russia. I doubt, frankly, that Western countries will accept sitting at the negotiating table without preconditions, as Putin called for

In the past, Russia also had difficulty in stopping the HIMARS system, but they finally found a solution to disable it, and now the Patriot system. They may have some difficulty initially, but once again the Russians will be able to neutralize US weapons.

The war has lasted for the 11th month, so economic or military damage is inevitable, but the problem is which side suffers more, whoever stands longer will win.

Europe has no say in this war, they are the most affected party, but the one who has the right to decide this war is the terrorists of the US imperialists.
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December 30, 2022, 05:31:21 AM
#19
If Putin should negotiate that will be a welcome development because war is not good for any reason. Other world leaders should work towards a positive negotiation and end this war . People are dying l, people are displaced and properties are lost maybe in the military they see them as troops and soldiers but this soldiers fighting this war are actually people sons and daughters, people's parents people's relatives. And loosing a love one is not something anyone should experience not when this war can be negotiated and averted , let's say no to war and find a possible solution to ending this , this almost a year and it's taking too long to stop.
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December 28, 2022, 04:01:01 PM
#18
Will negotiation prove anything? As long as Zelensky will not limit his military activity, negotiations will fail.

Putin has been given the opportunity to make Russian peace with with the world through free trade. It worked for a while. But US interference in Ukraine that started the war is thwarting the ideals of peace that Putin was succeeding at.

Is the below article a hint that Medvedev will be taking over again? It will mean a real World War if he does.


Medvedev: "World teetering on brink of World War III . . . Nuclear Catastrophe"


"The only thing that stops our enemies today is the understanding that Russia will be guided by [the doctrine] on nuclear deterrence. And if there is a real threat, we will act," Medvedev wrote in his article published on Sunday night – noting that in such a grim scenario there will be nobody left to argue about whether that was "a retaliatory strike or a preventive one."

"Therefore, the Western world is balancing between a burning desire to maximally humiliate, dismember and destroy Russia, on the one hand, and the desire to avoid a nuclear apocalypse, on the other," he explained.

Until Russia receives the security guarantees it has demanded, the world "will continue to teeter on the brink of World War III and nuclear catastrophe," Medvedev wrote, noting that Moscow is doing and will continue to do "everything we can to prevent it."

Last December, Russia presented a list of security proposals to the US and NATO, among other things urging the West to impose a ban on Ukraine entering the military bloc, while insisting that NATO should retreat to its borders of 1997, before it began to expand.

After the US and NATO flatly refused, saying they would only be interested in limited strategic arms control talks, it became obvious that Moscow has "no one to talk to and nothing to negotiate about" with the West, Medvedev argued. And when in February "Ukrainian junkies announced their desire to revive their nuclear arsenal," Moscow had no other choice but to act, he added.

"Our world has changed, forever. And the main question remains… what kind of future begins today?" Medvedev wrote.


"New disarmament agreements are currently unrealistic and unnecessary," the Russian official reiterated. "The sooner the guarantees of maximum security that suit our country are received, the sooner the situation will normalize."


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