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Topic: On the Solidcoin Economic Changes (Read 7833 times)

legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
February 04, 2012, 12:26:44 PM
#92
it's fucking trapezoid indeed.

legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
February 04, 2012, 01:06:05 AM
#91
the idea of cross-mining pool is interesting though...but, at 50% the pay of btc PPS, and you have no clue where's the rest going to..

lemme guess, his pocket?

Actually the cross-mining pool was my idea, and I run it. I have a partner who has helped by supplying the servers, and making a frontend for it. RealSolid is not directly involced in the pool at all, here merely is advertizing it. We pay 50% of the current market rate to the miner in a pps method, and once a block is found, we cash it out for SC, subtract from it the pps balances we have already committed to, and pay the remainder out in a proportional method based on the shares submitted during the 24 hours prior to the block find.

We actually don't charge any fees currently, and are hoping to not charge any in the future.
50% is paid to the miners in PPS..the other 50% gets paid in a prop method one way or another?

it's like PPS and prop in the same pool?
wut.

that doesn't make any sense.
t3a
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
February 03, 2012, 09:41:08 PM
#90
Hey im back after four days.

Wft happened to this thread?

Coinhunter shit all over everyone's criticism while the price of SC2 plummeted
wait, does that mean I can take partial credit for the downfall of a scam-currency?
sr. member
Activity: 812
Merit: 250
February 03, 2012, 06:30:35 PM
#89
the idea of cross-mining pool is interesting though...but, at 50% the pay of btc PPS, and you have no clue where's the rest going to..

lemme guess, his pocket?

Actually the cross-mining pool was my idea, and I run it. I have a partner who has helped by supplying the servers, and making a frontend for it. RealSolid is not directly involced in the pool at all, here merely is advertizing it. We pay 50% of the current market rate to the miner in a pps method, and once a block is found, we cash it out for SC, subtract from it the pps balances we have already committed to, and pay the remainder out in a proportional method based on the shares submitted during the 24 hours prior to the block find.

We actually don't charge any fees currently, and are hoping to not charge any in the future.
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
February 03, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
#88
No surprise there. He's eliminating miners by what he calls "thin clients". All transaction processing is being moved to the control nodes. With more fees, of course.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
February 03, 2012, 03:50:31 PM
#87
so i saw on their forums, solidcoin v3 is on the works.

lmao.

who win the bet?
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1005
February 03, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
#86
Hey im back after four days.

Wft happened to this thread?

Coinhunter shit all over everyone's criticism while the price of SC2 plummeted
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
February 03, 2012, 02:28:05 AM
#85
Why are these discussions turning so bat shit crazy? I need to get some sleep...

Usually because they attract cunicula.  When you wake up check his post history, it will make you want to go back to bed.

Many of my posts make light of the fact that the average forum user is not very intelligent. Naturally, the idiots don't like me too much.

and i can safely assume you're the average forum user too?

i guess the idiots don't like another idiot.
t3a
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
February 02, 2012, 10:55:16 PM
#84
Hey im back after four days.

Wft happened to this thread?
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
February 02, 2012, 09:16:15 PM
#83
Why are these discussions turning so bat shit crazy? I need to get some sleep...

Usually because they attract cunicula.  When you wake up check his post history, it will make you want to go back to bed.

Many of my posts make light of the fact that the average forum user is not very intelligent. Naturally, the idiots don't like me too much.
full member
Activity: 170
Merit: 100
February 02, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
#82
More SolidCoin monetary policy... nice! Horray for early adopters! Wasn't SolidCoin supposed to NOT award early adopters?
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
February 02, 2012, 01:41:00 AM
#81

How did SolidCoin ever gain traction when a single entity has proven capable of changing the fundamental rules of the currency such that a block reward has been reduced from 32 coins to 0.07 coins ( 1 / 457 th of the original ) within 6 months of its release?

Why did people ever agree to work in the World Trade Towers when a single entity proved capable of destroying them in a matter of minutes?

Because, until we are capable of digitizing our consciousness and uploading ourselves into the cloud, decentralizing a human being is not possible, otherwise, I'm sure they would have. Unless of course, they were completely retarded.

Why are these discussions turning so bat shit crazy? I need to get some sleep...
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
February 02, 2012, 01:23:49 AM
#80

How did SolidCoin ever gain traction when a single entity has proven capable of changing the fundamental rules of the currency such that a block reward has been reduced from 32 coins to 0.07 coins ( 1 / 457 th of the original ) within 6 months of its release?

Why did people ever agree to work in the World Trade Towers when a single entity proved capable of destroying them in a matter of minutes?
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
February 02, 2012, 01:16:33 AM
#79
Well the code has no strength if one person can change the code at will and force those changes unilaterally on the network.
Is every SolidCoin supporter completely retarded, or is it just me?

I hope it is me, because, as I understand it, the SOLE PURPOSE OF CRYPTO-CURRENCY IS DE-CENTRALIZATION.

How did SolidCoin ever gain traction when a single entity has proven capable of changing the fundamental rules of the currency such that a block reward has been reduced from 32 coins to 0.07 coins ( 1 / 457 th of the original ) within 6 months of its release?

What am I missing here?
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
February 01, 2012, 11:19:20 PM
#78
All existing SC owners prior to the change can now bail out at a price which is 5 times higher than a week ago. If they want to bail they can do so at a nice profit.
You called it all right. Everyone is bailing out. Here's the latest trades on btc-e.com:
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02.02.12 07:59   Sell   0.00742   11.4348   0.08484621
02.02.12 07:59   Sell   0.00743   36   0.26748
02.02.12 07:59   Sell   0.0075   840.66   6.30495
02.02.12 07:58   Sell   0.0075   260.33   1.952475
02.02.12 07:57   Sell   0.0075   1899.01   14.242575
02.02.12 07:57   Sell   0.0075   1400   10.5
02.02.12 07:57   Sell   0.00751   554.345   4.16313095
02.02.12 07:57   Sell   0.0077   1940.22   14.939694
02.02.12 07:56   Sell   0.0077   0.43912   0.00338122
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.0077   1059.34   8.156918
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.00777   777   6.03729
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.007778   284.58   2.21346324
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.00781   595.177   4.64833237
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.00782   255.028   1.99431896
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.00783   28.879   0.22612257
02.02.12 07:55   Sell   0.00783   35   0.27405
02.02.12 07:54   Sell   0.00783   31   0.24273
02.02.12 07:54   Sell   0.00783   22   0.17226
02.02.12 07:53   Sell   0.00783   11   0.08613
02.02.12 07:33   Buy   0.009999   1   0.009999

And slc24.com:
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01.02. 20:12:49    sell ►    0.007101    142.6113    1.01268284   
01.02. 18:17:58    sell ►    0.007101    139    0.987039   
01.02. 16:18:55    sell ►    0.007101    33    0.234333   
01.02. 16:17:10    sell ►    0.007101    230    1.63323   
01.02. 15:02:30    sell ►    0.007101    1995.734    14.17170713   
01.02. 15:01:22    sell ►    0.00751    526.9697    3.95754245   
01.02. 15:01:21    sell ►    0.00781    1818.1815    14.19999752   
01.02. 07:12:40    sell ►    0.00819    56    0.45864   
01.02. 03:54:05    sell ►    0.008    27.2044    0.2176352   
01.02. 03:50:34    sell ►    0.00782    166.2404    1.29999993   
01.02. 03:50:31    sell ►    0.00827    573.4949    4.74280282   
01.02. 03:50:29    sell ►    0.0085    117.4127    0.99800795   
01.02. 03:49:56    sell ►    0.00851    300    2.553   
31.01. 19:32:08    sell ►    0.00827    16.04    0.1326508   
31.01. 19:24:01    sell ►    0.00827    15.0737    0.1246595

Game over man, game over.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
February 01, 2012, 04:00:33 PM
#77
the idea of cross-mining pool is interesting though...but, at 50% the pay of btc PPS, and you have no clue where's the rest going to..

lemme guess, his pocket?
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1005
February 01, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
#76
BIP16 transactions are simply accepted as valid by old clients. They can't become isolated due to this.
According to Gavin they can become isolated if someone mines a bad transaction. Is it a temporary isolation (duration only for that block)? Or was that issue fixed?
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f an attacker DID manage to create a block with a timestamp after the switchover date and a bad /P2SH/ transaction in it, then some percentage of the network will try to build on that bad block.  Lets say 70% of hashing power supports /P2SH/.  That would mean only 70% of the network was working on a good block-chain, and the result would be transactions taking, on average, about 14 minutes to confirm instead of the usual 10 minutes.
donator
Activity: 1654
Merit: 1351
Creator of Litecoin. Cryptocurrency enthusiast.
February 01, 2012, 02:31:37 PM
#75
Here were my thoughts on this last year:

SolidCoin is not a cryptocurrency, or at least by most people's definition of cryptocurrency. There's really no need for miners. SC miners do not secure the chain. That is already done by the trusted nodes. So miners are basically wasting their electricity.

Think about it this way... with Bitcoin, miners hash to secure the network and they get rewarded for the security that they are adding to the network. With SolidCoin, miners are just wasting electricity because RealSolid thinks that this is a fair way to handout SCs. It's similar to a King asking his peasants to run around in circles. The faster they run, the more coins they get. So of course, profit-driven peasants will run around in circles, which adds no value to anything. King RealSolid realized that he is passing out too many solidcoins this way, which will dilute his own holdings. So guess what, he decided to pass out only 5 SC (instead of 32 SC) to his loyal peasants for each circle they complete. Then what happens? Well there are less peasants running around in circles b/c it's not worth it anymore. But that doesn't matter to RealSolid, because peasants running around in circles doesn't add any value in the first place. Hmm...

Also, since the trusted nodes controls 50% of the blocks, by definition, you cannot do a 51% attack unless you have control of a trusted node.

It's great when you create all the rules for your own realm AND you actually find suckers willing to follow you.

No one should be surprised where it's headed... 32 -> 5 -> 0.07 -> 0
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
February 01, 2012, 01:18:34 PM
#74
Firstly why would I want to "shut down SolidCoin" ?
You've succeeded in driving away 2/3rds of the miners nearly overnight, so you must be trying to shut it down. Congrats, it's working.
hero member
Activity: 950
Merit: 1001
February 01, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
#73
Oh we can just ignore that glaring flaw because the NPO will handle it "eventually". Forget trying to find a firm date for that, since CoinHunter has no intention of actually giving up control until after he cashes out.

So either you trust an anonymous (but safe?) guy now, or trust a known and thus vulnerable entity "later". And without a transfer DATE, there is no "later", it's just BS to sidestep the issue and buy time.
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