On which esports you place bets - page 2.

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Quote from: Fortify on January 30, 2022, 08:20:23 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 30, 2022, 07:56:36 AM

Quote from: mindrust on January 30, 2022, 04:51:28 AM

This is true for all kinds of gambling. E-sports, sports, dice... There are 3 ways to stay profitable in gambling:

1- Cheating (hacking)
2- Arbitrage Betting (bookies consider this cheating as well)
3- EV betting (most bookies also consider this cheating)

No, you can't be lucky and stay profitable in the long term. So there is no "4". That might surprise some people. As you see you can't profit from gambling for a long time because that would kill the casinos.

If you take one-time earnings, then you can come up with the 4th option - one big bet on a huge odds: you win a lot of money and do not play anymore, thus remaining in the black.
By the way, what are the problems with the second and third paragraph? As long as there are different bookmakers and offline acceptance of bets (there is no KYC), they are quite feasible.

Arbitrage is most definitely not cheating, even if that's what the sportbooks call it and I've yet to ever see a case of this. Every bookmaker will add an "edge" or margin of error to their odds, which also boosts their profitability. Most are quite small, maybe one or five basis points, but this effectively closes any overlap between bookmakers. A lot of them also use the same backend feeds, a sort of white label solution, which will prevent much of this occurring. It might be possible on certain sports, like horse betting, where there are lots of variables and the odds are constantly moving around, but any bookmaker who misprices will lose a lot of money quickly.

They are running off a business and its just normal that they would really be finding off ways on how to deal off with those kind of circumstances and it would really be just normal for them
to minimize nor get rid of those kind of circumstances because they do know that it would surely cost them and since its a business then it is some error which is needed for them to adjust
on which it would really be that normal that they would really be minding and its true that there might be some margins in between bookmakers but it would be barely profitable
if you do ask me and not really that much common.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 30, 2022, 07:56:36 AM

Quote from: mindrust on January 30, 2022, 04:51:28 AM

This is true for all kinds of gambling. E-sports, sports, dice... There are 3 ways to stay profitable in gambling:

1- Cheating (hacking)
2- Arbitrage Betting (bookies consider this cheating as well)
3- EV betting (most bookies also consider this cheating)

No, you can't be lucky and stay profitable in the long term. So there is no "4". That might surprise some people. As you see you can't profit from gambling for a long time because that would kill the casinos.

If you take one-time earnings, then you can come up with the 4th option - one big bet on a huge odds: you win a lot of money and do not play anymore, thus remaining in the black.
By the way, what are the problems with the second and third paragraph? As long as there are different bookmakers and offline acceptance of bets (there is no KYC), they are quite feasible.

Arbitrage is most definitely not cheating, even if that's what the sportbooks call it and I've yet to ever see a case of this. Every bookmaker will add an "edge" or margin of error to their odds, which also boosts their profitability. Most are quite small, maybe one or five basis points, but this effectively closes any overlap between bookmakers. A lot of them also use the same backend feeds, a sort of white label solution, which will prevent much of this occurring. It might be possible on certain sports, like horse betting, where there are lots of variables and the odds are constantly moving around, but any bookmaker who misprices will lose a lot of money quickly.

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Quote from: mindrust on January 30, 2022, 04:51:28 AM

This is true for all kinds of gambling. E-sports, sports, dice... There are 3 ways to stay profitable in gambling:

1- Cheating (hacking)
2- Arbitrage Betting (bookies consider this cheating as well)
3- EV betting (most bookies also consider this cheating)

No, you can't be lucky and stay profitable in the long term. So there is no "4". That might surprise some people. As you see you can't profit from gambling for a long time because that would kill the casinos.

If you take one-time earnings, then you can come up with the 4th option - one big bet on a huge odds: you win a lot of money and do not play anymore, thus remaining in the black.
By the way, what are the problems with the second and third paragraph? As long as there are different bookmakers and offline acceptance of bets (there is no KYC), they are quite feasible.

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Quote from: magneto on January 24, 2022, 03:16:05 PM

Even if you do research, you may not necessarily be profitable long term.
Remember that your returns as a esports bettor will come from not only your win %, but also at what odds you got these wins.
Generally the market is quite efficient and prices in any info that you have gotten your hands on way before you know it. But sometimes there are discrepancies. I agree with mindrust in that Dota2 and in fact pretty much all esports have way more variance in outcomes compared to traditional sports.

This is true for all kinds of gambling. E-sports, sports, dice... There are 3 ways to stay profitable in gambling:

1- Cheating (hacking)
2- Arbitrage Betting (bookies consider this cheating as well)
3- EV betting (most bookies also consider this cheating)

No, you can't be lucky and stay profitable in the long term. So there is no "4". That might surprise some people. As you see you can't profit from gambling for a long time because that would kill the casinos.

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I'm not an esports expert, but I am watching thar industry. I even made a bet on some events a few times, but unfortunately without positive results. So far, the only esports I've been betting on was CS: GO, but it's possible that I will get to know other options better in the future.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 29, 2022, 06:17:55 PM

Quote from: ralle14 on January 25, 2022, 03:11:26 AM

Even though there are a lot of big esport titles this time around IMO the issue is that not all sportsbook offer markets for these titles.

Quote from: agustina2 on January 24, 2022, 06:52:46 PM

Few options might not attract other bettors on his client's platform.

It depends, sometimes you don't need to have a lot of options unless you follow most of the esport scene. Also, they can be very volatile so profit wise you're better off sticking to one or two esport titles.

But most of the times, every gambling site offers and covered almost all E-Sports. But I agree to you, gambling is volatile. But for the best attraction, a betting site platform should cover all events so that more users will come.

By the way, what's the update of this, OP?

Yeah, it depends on the developer's option, how he has programmed to make things work; maybe he's not comfortable with most of the E-sport deselected or he isn't having much turn up for that on daily basis but still pays the casino task, so to avoid unnecessary levies, he avoid this ones.
The haven't been much update on that since many still prefer E-sport to shop or stal casinos

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The original Counterstrike was twenty years ago, this is the latest version we are talking about been big time since 2015-. Its got about a regular 1 million players, hasnt really declined in the last couple years and very long term established teams and leagues. They really should make a new version again but its not suffering anyway, the structure to the game probably makes it ideal for betting I think.
Some of these other games are bit too wild in all the options you can do Valorant is nuts to me and its more reactionary then strategy is my guess which I equate to randomness. CS you literally have to do one single thing to win and every round is about a minute or so which means live betting works with it in a known pace of play. Any game can work in theory, I just guess a structured game helps betting tbh especially with obvious win / loss conditions & timing. Even some mainstream bet firms cover CS I think

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I'm into DOTA betting but Had stopped for long time now because of DOTA popularity had already subside and only few Dota tournament had been on the table.

Now I tend to bet not in Esports but in Sports instead , since gambling is not my forte now but sportsbetting .

Quote from: 1win on January 28, 2022, 10:28:46 AM

Hello! According to the statistic we have , the most popular esport for betting is dota2, counter strike and league of legends. Best regards, 1win team

Counter Strike? are you serious on this? does not Counterstrike already lose popularity years ago?

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on January 29, 2022, 02:25:41 PM

I think dota 2, csgo, and valorant would remain as the top picks for e-sports betting due to its massive popularity globally.

For now, League fits much better in the top 3 over Valorant only because Valorant's competitive scene is still new so there's not much info to rely on aside from the top teams that have been continuously playing in their region.

Unfortunately, most of the crypto bookies barely offer any odds for Valorant even if they're one of the popular esport titles. I also bet on Valorant a couple of times but it's a bit inconvenient as you're limited between one or two bookies.

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I would say most people bet on whatever is their own greatest interest, its hard to judge teams and various changes if you are not actively involved and interested in the game. So I'm totally biased to CSGO and I presume its the easiest to bet on, none of them are predictable exactly but CSGO probably gives me the best chance. However I dont know all these games available to bet on so I could be incorrect and another esport is a better choice.
Ideally you want alot of glory supporters who are easy to take money from with your more independent judgement I guess

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Quote from: ralle14 on January 25, 2022, 03:11:26 AM

Even though there are a lot of big esport titles this time around IMO the issue is that not all sportsbook offer markets for these titles.

Quote from: agustina2 on January 24, 2022, 06:52:46 PM

Few options might not attract other bettors on his client's platform.

It depends, sometimes you don't need to have a lot of options unless you follow most of the esport scene. Also, they can be very volatile so profit wise you're better off sticking to one or two esport titles.

But most of the times, every gambling site offers and covered almost all E-Sports. But I agree to you, gambling is volatile. But for the best attraction, a betting site platform should cover all events so that more users will come.

By the way, what's the update of this, OP?

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Quote from: Little Mouse on January 21, 2022, 12:30:12 PM

Recently, I was asked by one of my clients to check out which esports betting bitcointalk users are most interested. I wasn't really aware of esports betting much. Because I really don't gamble a lot. Can you please share which esports you used to place bets on? It would be a great helping hand to find out the right one. Client was interested in offering bonus for bitcointalk users.

The NBA live 2k e-sport game, I use to bet on that but too rare these days when I have more time at work. The funny thing it started is when I accidentally bet on it thinking it was the real game from NBA but to my surprise that it ended up quickly and I realized it was just a game played by players. I don't know if it's popular but I think it's best as well but too dependent on the player too and I don't know lot of NBA live e-sport players though.

I think dota 2, csgo, and valorant would remain as the top picks for e-sports betting due to its massive popularity globally.

By taking advantage of such fact, there would also be datas available on the internet about the winning streaks, statistics, and hero composition of teams in dota 2 that would be considered as essential data for gathering information on which team to bet on. If you are also familiar with the game, then you may consider some teams of your liking for your client.

In CSGO and Valorant, the gameplay may be fundamentally the same but the latter game introduced abilities where it became unique. I would suggest that you bet on csgo since you can get lots of information also from streamers on YouTube.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on January 24, 2022, 09:59:46 PM

Quote from: Little Mouse on January 21, 2022, 12:30:12 PM

Recently, I was asked by one of my clients to check out which esports betting bitcointalk users are most interested. I wasn't really aware of esports betting much. Because I really don't gamble a lot. Can you please share which esports you used to place bets on? It would be a great helping hand to find out the right one. Client was interested in offering bonus for bitcointalk users.

The NBA live 2k e-sport game, I use to bet on that but too rare these days when I have more time at work. The funny thing it started is when I accidentally bet on it thinking it was the real game from NBA but to my surprise that it ended up quickly and I realized it was just a game played by players. I don't know if it's popular but I think it's best as well but too dependent on the player too and I don't know lot of NBA live e-sport players though.

I have the same experience. I didn't know it was a video game as I was on a rush to take a live bet. I didn't realize there was a game also happening in
E-sports with the same team. Just one team, they are playing against a different team in live sports. But that one team is what I want to bet for and it was a bad coincidence. I lost but its a good experience and I realized something afterward, I could bet for that type of game whenever summer is around and there is no live sports that I like being televised.
But I got to know who are the players. The one holding the controller.

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Quote from: Oilacris on January 25, 2022, 05:35:51 PM

Quote from: rhomelmabini on January 24, 2022, 09:59:46 PM

Quote from: Little Mouse on January 21, 2022, 12:30:12 PM

Recently, I was asked by one of my clients to check out which esports betting bitcointalk users are most interested. I wasn't really aware of esports betting much. Because I really don't gamble a lot. Can you please share which esports you used to place bets on? It would be a great helping hand to find out the right one. Client was interested in offering bonus for bitcointalk users.

The NBA live 2k e-sport game, I use to bet on that but too rare these days when I have more time at work. The funny thing it started is when I accidentally bet on it thinking it was the real game from NBA but to my surprise that it ended up quickly and I realized it was just a game played by players. I don't know if it's popular but I think it's best as well but too dependent on the player too and I don't know lot of NBA live e-sport players though.

Wasnt aware that there are NBA 2k esport game which you could possibly bet on.When it comes to betting then you would really vary on player skills and not on the team of course.

Usually its not the popular esports as of this moment which most people do talk about Dota and Csgo which is the latest games which we do have now.

Im not saying nba 2k game isnt popular but basing off with competitiveness and game mechanics then these things really fits out on the criteria.

The most popular esports are the ones that have a fantasy element, after all if you are going to bet on a video game based on a sport why not bet on the sport directly? Not only you will have a lot more people trying to do so but at the same time the quality of play is excellent and it is more fun than watching someone else play the video game based on the sport, so it is not really a surprise to see video games based on actual sports not being nearly as popular as their real counterparts.

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Hello! According to the statistic we have , the most popular esport for betting is dota2, counter strike and league of legends. Best regards, 1win team

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Quote from: Little Mouse on January 21, 2022, 12:30:12 PM

Recently, I was asked by one of my clients to check out which esports betting bitcointalk users are most interested. I wasn't really aware of esports betting much. Because I really don't gamble a lot. Can you please share which esports you used to place bets on? It would be a great helping hand to find out the right one. Client was interested in offering bonus for bitcointalk users.

I am not a big esports bettor because i am still unsure if everything is 100% legit there, especially in small tournaments where the winner can only get for example 5000$ as prize money. If this is the maximum amount that you can win as the favorite team, you still may be tempted to accept an offer from a person that wants to cheat for a bribe and lose on purpose. I know that is probably not happening but it's still possible in my opinion. If i bet on esports though i bet on Dota 2 games. The reason for that is quite simple, i played this game myself for quite a while and i think it always helps if you understand the topic that you are betting on. If you really know the game you can already get a hint on who is winning during the draft of the heroes.

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Quote from: ralle14 on January 25, 2022, 03:11:26 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 24, 2022, 09:16:21 PM

But why limit the options to just a few? There are other Esports that are also popular like Fortnite, PUBG, Valorant, etc.

Even though there are a lot of big esport titles this time around IMO the issue is that not all sportsbook offer markets for these titles.

I noticed that too. Although I noticed that main international tournaments of a number of these Esports may easily find their betting odds hitting large sports betting sites, there are also a number of major tournaments that are not given odds by bookmakers. I think DOTA 2's The International as well as CS:GO's main international tournament are getting the attention of major sports betting sites but not other Esports events.

Perhaps it's a good plan to create an Esports-centered betting site.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on January 24, 2022, 09:59:46 PM

Quote from: Little Mouse on January 21, 2022, 12:30:12 PM

Recently, I was asked by one of my clients to check out which esports betting bitcointalk users are most interested. I wasn't really aware of esports betting much. Because I really don't gamble a lot. Can you please share which esports you used to place bets on? It would be a great helping hand to find out the right one. Client was interested in offering bonus for bitcointalk users.

The NBA live 2k e-sport game, I use to bet on that but too rare these days when I have more time at work. The funny thing it started is when I accidentally bet on it thinking it was the real game from NBA but to my surprise that it ended up quickly and I realized it was just a game played by players. I don't know if it's popular but I think it's best as well but too dependent on the player too and I don't know lot of NBA live e-sport players though.

Wasnt aware that there are NBA 2k esport game which you could possibly bet on.When it comes to betting then you would really vary on player skills and not on the team of course.

Usually its not the popular esports as of this moment which most people do talk about Dota and Csgo which is the latest games which we do have now.

Im not saying nba 2k game isnt popular but basing off with competitiveness and game mechanics then these things really fits out on the criteria.

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Quote from: agustina2 on January 24, 2022, 06:52:46 PM

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Quote from: harizen on January 24, 2022, 06:23:49 PM

When it comes to ESports betting, everything should be listed for more options, not just DOTA II or CSGO.

To give him more idea which esports are popular these days and which are likely in the bookies, this site will help him out.

https://liquipedia.net/

A variety of esports are listed there and it includes the tournaments and other data that he needs. It also has the database of players for all of those esports, note, almost all of the players there are or have been in the pro scene of that esports.

I agree. I don't see yet a betting platform where only few sports or events are covered. Most crypto-sportbooks almost covering all available events regardless of what games is it. OP should rely the information on his client.

Few options might not attract other bettors on his client's platform.

Really depends to the reason why they're doing this. But with their data gathering through this thread, they'll see that it's all about Dota 2 and CSGO that's being said by the majority.

And the link that I've given is going to give them the idea that there are other esports that they should also consider, maybe the demand won't be the same as the two.

But they're going to give the option for their bettors as there are bookies that lists the other games that can be seen on that link.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on January 24, 2022, 08:30:07 PM

It all depends on your personal preference. What I recommend is that you watch a game that you are familiar with so that you can be entertained while waiting to see the outcome and also know which team has a good chance of winning because that is the only way you can win a game. As for myself, I only bet on PUBG because it is the only game that I have ever played. I know how to play CS Go and Dota 2, but I don't find betting on those games to be particularly entertaining. Although it is extremely difficult to predict who will win in PUBG because there are 20 teams and any of them could win, the game was incredibly entertaining to play.

One good thing of esports is that unlike what happens with regular sports in which they have decades of records that allows them to calculate very precise odds for every single match this is not true for esports, not only because they are relatively new but because every single update modifies the game, and what was once a good strategy becomes a bad strategy after it, this means that if you know a lot about a game you could in fact get a small edge over the casino and that is huge.

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