Topic: One Week in Islam: What is Wrong With This Faith??? (Read 6142 times)

Yeah, or the fact that the old guys with money each grab four of the cutest ones, leaving them without even the uglies.  Which historically may have worked, because then the young men would, after having been forced into some army,  they'd venture out and expand the kingdom.  Meaning, they'd take over an area, kill all the men, then have the women.  But if they'd stayed home, no women....

Fears that schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram are being used as suicide bombers after ten-year-old girl wearing explosives is rescued by police

Speculation arises after series of female suicide bombings in city of Kano
Latest attack came on Wednesday when female suicide bomber killed six
It was the fourth suicide bombing carried out by female in past week
A ten-year-old girl with explosive belt strapped to her has also been found by police



They didn’t bring them back.
They turned them into suicide bombers.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713322/Fears-schoolgirls-kidnapped-Boko-Haram-used-suicide-bombers-ten-year-old-girl-wearing-explosives-rescued-police.html

Happens when their own spiritual leader was pedophile.
If that's the example he set, can you expect the sheep to follow in any other way?

These sick bully fucks sure seem to pick on women and children, specifically girls, a lot.  I guess that is what makes them feel like powerful "men" in their otherwise pathetic lives.

Sick culture.

Normally, for any culture to thrive, they need to protect the woman and children.

Than there's the issue of underage marriage and child trading:

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/04/cnn-calls-islamic-child-marriage.html

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/islamic_viewpoints/girls_nightmare_in_muslim_families_forced_marriages_in_europe/

mass child wedding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJS2tVQBhI0

And ofcourse the famous Nada Al-Ahdal: (she wasn't killed AFAIK, the title is miss leading)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY4gNBf2n3o

Another sad "generalization" of islam again...

Al-Shabaab Jihadists Kill Somali Woman For Refusing To Wear A Veil…

Militant Islamists in Somalia have shot dead a Muslim woman for refusing to wear a veil, her relatives say.

Ruqiya Farah Yarow was killed outside her hut near the southern Somali town of Hosingow by gunmen belonging to the al-Shabab group, they say.

The militants had ordered her to put on a veil, and then killed her after returning and finding she was still not wearing one, the relatives said.

An al-Shabab spokesman denied the group had killed the woman.

Al-Shabab does not fully control the area where she was living, he added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28564984

I'm not generalizing anything. It's the doctrine.  Go check al-Bukhari, it's all there and I wrote nothing there.
I do not hate muslims, that's stupid! I do not like Islam (Islam and Muslims aren't one and the same thing) just like I dislike any other violent doctrine.

Hitler didn't made a religion... luckily! As it appears all it takes is to disguise anything as religion and then everything goes...

again generalizing, as usual without a minimum of facts, maybe that hundred of thousands/millions of Jews (mostly) and Christians that lived in Muslim countries for centuries were forced to convert or were killed according to you.... but yes because some dickheads pseudo-islamist murderer that has nothing to do with Islam, try to force convert some under death threats that gives you the right to generalize to the muslim community, that's like taking Hitler as an example and generalizing by saying all European are murderers without mercy, but I guess that's one way for you to express your hatred against anything Muslim which can be proven by just a simple search on your comment history.

Turkish Deputy PM: Women Should Stop Laughing In Public And “Rediscover The Koran”…





Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minister has said women should not laugh out loud in public and urged them to stop talking about ‘unnecessary’ things on the phone.

Bülent Arınç also complained about ‘moral corruption’ by television programmes which he claims are transforming teenagers from ‘symbols of chastity’ into ‘sex addicts’.

Speaking at an Eid el-Fitr – breaking of the fast – event in the northwestern city of Bursa, he claimed Turks had ‘abandoned their values’ and pleaded people to rediscover the Koran.

Describing his ideal chaste man or woman, Arnic said they should both have a sense of shame and honour.

‘Chastity is so important,’ he said. ‘It is not only a name. It is an ornament for both women and men. [She] will have chasteness. Man will have it, too. He will not be a womaniser.

‘He will be bound to his wife. He will love his children. She will not laugh in public. She will not be inviting in her attitudes and will protect her chasteness,’ he added.

According to the Hurriyet Daily News, he went on to condemn the transformation of young females in society.

He said: ‘Where are our girls, who slightly blush, lower their heads and turn their eyes away when we look at their face, becoming the symbol of chastity?’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2709713/Women-not-laugh-public-says-Turkish-Deputy-Prime-Minister-calls-people-rediscover-Koran-stop-acting-like-sex-addicts.html#ixzz38srJQKwE

Sorry to disagree. The trap most westerns fall into is to look at Islam as if it was Christianity, a bunch of fairy tales open to 1000 interpretations.
But Islam is way more than that! Islam is a political system, for today it would be considered something close to Fascism with Commercialism as main economic trend, and is not open for interpretation. It's based upon the example of the "perfect Muslim", Muhammad, and that example is a trail of blood and violence.

Basically goes like this:
"It's wrong to kill people, you're misinterpreting your religion."

Christians will just find something to support them to kill people at the Jewish books (AKA Old Testament), but Jesus killed nobody.

Muslims... well... Muhammad just opened the party by trying to force-convert 12 Jews to Islam, they refused and he killed them... shaite!

I don't think that anything is wrong with Islam as faith.
Problem is with people who practice Islam in their own way, with their own interpretation of their holy book, interpretation which justify killing of innocent people.
Purpose of any religion is to teach people spirituality, bring them to God and prepare for another world, God's kingdom.
Radical Islam use from Qur'an what fit their agenda and just skip other parts. 

Nah not about Saudi Arabia, for a couple of reasons, some of them are geopolitical of course and others can be related to the fact that when you talk about Saudi Arabia especially about Mecca and Medina, you are basically talking about the Vatican of the Muslim world, and as such the condemnation wouldn't make sense in this aspect.

Drop the popcorn. Anything related to the words "islam" and "muslim" is Pink Mafia's ultimate kryptonite. You will NOT hear ANYTHING from ANY pro gay magazine, newspaper, blog, TV show, tweet, facebook page, email, smoke signal, pigeon courier, gossip, underwater sign language, etc about that news.

http://www.frequency.com/video/gaza-west-bank-syria-egypt-maybe-no-s-in/184079109?cid=5-5287801

Such peaceful, very love, many tolerance.

No one will be able to endure that many lashes in a single day. The maximum punishment in a single day is around 100 lashes. But even in these cases, I have heard of mortalities resulting from the injuries and shock. 

So since LGBT are now allowed openly in the US army, does that mean that the LGBT brigade is going to invade Saudia Arabia?  One extremist group vs another, I need to get me some popcorn.

I think it's in one go, but never heard of 450 lashes, I know that for adultery it's 100 lashes and it's really applied in very few countries, and holycities

I wonder if the 450 lashes are to be given all in one session or if they will be spread out over the 3 years.  That seems like a very high number of lashes.  Tradition says that Jesus Christ was only given 39.

Saudi Arabia’s Islamic Police Arrest Man For Being Gay, Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison And 450 Lashes…

Manama: A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced an homosexual man to three years in prison and 450 lashes for using his Twitter account to promote homosexual contacts.

The man, 24, was arrested after he posted several tweets calling for homosexual relations and expressing his readiness to meet gay men, local daily Al Watan reported on Tuesday.

The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, the religious police, was alerted about the tweets and was able to apprehend the young man after it set him up using an undercover agent.

His mobile phone was searched and several “immoral” pictures were discovered, prompting the Commission to refer his case to the public prosecution.

http://www.zawya.com/story/Gay_man_sentenced_for_twitter_debauchery_in_Saudi_Arabia-GN_23072014_240703/




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Is there a Muslim Pink mafia we can lobby to fight for this poor man's future? Anyone? Anyone?





How about an American pink mafia? Anyone? Anyone? How about a European pink mafia? Anyone? Anyone?

Unicef says 218 children have been killed, two-thirds of them under the age of 12

In Jerusalem, two Palestinians were in hospital after about a dozen Israeli Jews allegedly attacked them with iron bars

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/gaza-fighting-continues-both-sides-reject-ceasefires

Also in the news....

‘Terrorist fist jabs’ are 20 percent more sanitary than conventional handshakes, study finds

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/28/terrorist-fist-jabs-are-20-percent-more-sanitary-than-conventional-handshakes-study-finds/

 

More good news from the religion of peace ..

http://news.msn.com/world/pakistan-mob-kills-woman-girls-over-blasphemous-facebook-post

Guess you'd better watch what you post on facebook ..
So, does one condemn the 'faith' or the fact that the followers are brainless idiots ??

I always thought Saint Peter was kinda cool ..
But, I'd hate to be dragged out of my house and murdered by my neighbors
just because I had made that public ..

Gotta run .. my daughter just said she hates Jesus ..
My 'faith' in Saint Peter requires that I kill her for expressing that thought ..

Triff ..

So the bible is made of many books. The two main parts are the old and the new testament. If someone believes to be a christian he follows Christ ie the new testament. Since Jesus is not recognized as the prophet by the Jews they do not care about the new testament, only the old. And not everything in the bible is meant to be followed blindly surprisingly enough for those who never read it. Anyway, not trying to change or convert anyone here  .

Never heard of Christians or Jews forced to learn the Bible by heart either...

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i'm not a big fan of religion myself, and while you and i don't need it, i can't say that it's proof that others don't. a lot of bad is done in the name of religion, but it also has a positive impact. lots of communities use it as a form of support and community.

The diffrence between islam and christians seems to be that islam takes their book more seriosly.
Someone that follow the bible wouldnt stone their kid to death if they didnt clean their room even of the good book commands them to do it
If you read the two there isnt much diffrence. The orders from the "all mighty" to rape and pillige is prertty much the same.
The big problem is that a few of them actualy do what their book says.
And the not eating pork part is also in the bible, but somehow christians ignores it
The world would be a far better place without religion

while there's something archaic about the muslim faith, you can't just say "why are all these people so crazy" without talking about the U.S.'s role in that area of the world. from their eyes, they see a foreign entity coming in and exploiting their people and resources.

Obviously in the current context anything negative related to muslims is really inflated (I'm not saying that there aren't problems withing the muslim community but I'll come back to this later in this post)
The prove is obvious and let me list a couple of events that were not reported or were reported in a way that if it was due to muslim it would have in the headline of any news media:

-A couple of days ago, an American extremist was caught just a few minutes before his attempt of blowing a mosque in the US during the friday prayer (hundred if not thousands of people attend the friday prayer), now If it was the other way around you'd see the news as a headline of many media outlet, and I'll let you look this up.
-No mention of the current Muslim genocide in Central Africa on international media or it's rare.
-No mentions on the Muslim genocide in Burma and Sri Linka and now it's Christians that are starting to get killed
I can go on and on, but like I said again when it's muslim doing bad things they are in the head of every media outlet or almost.

Now as for Islam again Islam in it self is a religion of peace (as someone that has knowledge of all prominent religions and did proper research and not just talking from ignorance) I can tell you that the problem is the extremist that exist in everywhere, and use any tool or mean that would help to recruite in control people and in those regions it is Islam that is being used, and we can discuss point by point the events and prove to you that many of the practices mentioned above are anti-Islamic and most of them are related to dark customes from middle age in the region rather Islam and one of those is the call the Isis leader made about the mutilations of genetales of womens in the region.

http://youtu.be/-Na9-jV_OJI

Islam is more than a religion. It is a racial and cultural agenda by middle eastern mongrel rape product ethnic groups (because the whole world especially the asiatic mongols practically ran trains over these human left overs since the dawn of time) who are desperately trying to find a reason to be proud of.

Once you understand that the issue is racial and cultural, you will understand why it is meaningless to argue morality or religious issues over islam. It's only true language they understand is rape, violation, and force, which plenty of people are happy to apply to muslims.

Good analogy ..

Personally, I'm agnostic with regards to religious belief systems ..

And I absolutely support the right of individuals to believe whatever/however they want ..
Provided that they don't try to impose it on everyone else ..


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According to philosopher William L. Rowe, in the strict sense, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.
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Triff ..

For the record I'm not taking sides on this. I don't believe in religion myself.
However I've given this some thought. It seems to me that Islam only serves to expose the dark and repressed side of human nature.
I couldn't help but draw parallels between your statements and the long forgotten history of humans conquering nature.

If you think about it when humans first step foot on a previously uninhabited land, they are essentially faced with a perfectly balanced ecosystem. But as soon as we start to spread out and settle down, this balance is lost. Animals are killed or forced out of their natural homes and trees are cut down.
So in a way you could view humanity as the 'cancer' of the earth and every other living thing.

1) We arrive in a new land. We are the guests. The land really belongs to the animals and plants born there.
2) We change the laws. We decide that the trees over there shouldn't be there or that lions cannot be allowed to roam freely because they're dangerous.
3) We then proceed to enforce our ideals by reshaping the very face of the earth with no regard whatsoever for animal and plant life around us.

These days there is nothing left for humans to conquer except themselves. And so the cancer having nothing left to feed on starts to consume itself.

This right here LMAO... Peace.. uh huh.

More good news from the pragmatic faith that is Islam  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/family-considers-killing-10-year-old-daughter-after-mullah-rapes-her-in-mosque-704326

You need a lobotomy to believe this nonsense ..

Triff ..

PA Arabs Attack IDF Ambulance Carrying Teens' Bodies


Palestinian Authority Arabs attacked the IDF humvee ambulance that carried the bodies of the three Israeli teens out of the PA Arab village of Halhul, north of Hevron.

The Arabs hurled rocks and paint at the ambulance, smashing its windshield and blinding the windows – as road terrorists have done in similar attacks on Highway 60 — but failed to cause the driver to lose control of his vehicle and crash with his precious passengers.

The boys’ bodies were found in a cave or pit, situated in an open field near the Judean village, located just north of Hevron.

The teens were kidnapped on June 12 while hitchhiking home from yeshiva for the Sabbath, and almost immediately murdered by the Arab terrorists who abducted them.

Israel Police raised its alert to the second highest level nationwide on Monday evening in the wake of the discovery of the bodies of the murdered teens.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pa-arabs-attack-idf-ambulance-carrying-teens-bodies/2014/07/01/

Christian Schoolgirls Gang-Raped and Shot by Boko Haram


One of the latest revelation in the ordeal of over 250 abducted Chibok girls and another 250 Christian girls abducted in villages near Chibok was that they are being gang raped and shot for being Christians. This was the summary of the revelations by Senator Zanna representing Born Central Senatorial District According to an interview he granted an online media, the senator said that “.Actually the information I’m getting, some of them are very disturbing. Although I don’t want to mention but they are just raping the girls on camera and even showing them on video, releasing it to the public”.

“Somebody told me that they were shown being raped, and in turn, it is the girl who was raped that came out kneeling down and begging the man to be patient. Do you know the reason why? They said when they rape them they shoot them. Therefore the girl after being raped, she curled down to the man, kneeling down and begging him to please be patient. So disturbing”.

Senator Khalifa Ahmed Zanna, though a Muslim, was previously accused by former governor of Borno State, Senator Ali Modu Sheriff of being a Boko Haram sponsor who sponsors people outside the country for trainings in terrorism, but since this Chibok abducted started, he has shown great concerns over the fate of the abducted girls even more than the Federal Government and had almost on weekly basis released information that might aid in the release of the girls to the security agents.

http://www.spyghana.com/boko-haramists-gang-rape-chibok-christian-girls/

This is how the 'faithful' spread the cancer that is Islam ..

1) They come in as a guest  
2) Demand law changes to meet their need
3) Try to impose it on everyone else.

The key to stopping this is not letting them into your country in the first place ..
The liberals will shout that this is a racist view and not PC ..
The radical elements of Islam recognize this and exploit it to further their cause ..
Google Michigan and Shariah Law ..

Triff ..

Totally agree. They come in as a guest and demand law changes to meet their need and try to impose it on everyone else. What kind of backward logic is this? Crawl back to their own country if they are not happy in their host country.

What really get me is while they are screaming being discriminated against, they are doing the exact same thing on their country to other minority, talk about double standard hypocrite.

I'm sorry, but in this day and age,
I don't see how anyone in their right mind
can defend the 'teachings' of this 'faith'

There's so much wrong with it ( Islam )
I don't even know where to begin

Triff ..

The religion of Peace.

That mass executes each other.

That mass executes people who dont believe what they do even though the non-believers pose no threat and feel they should enjoy freedom of religion.

Kills children.

Rape, murder and theft, the Religion of Peace! ohh but they dont eat pork or drink.

The problem is that too many of them adhere to closely to the words of that faith rather the general intent.  If the books says to kill Infidels, well then guess I'm popping some heads today.  Whoops, I never got to page 2 which says I'm not supposed to kill innocents.

behind all these backward and savage terrorist groups you will find zionist/western money or money from western puppet regimes saudi qatar etc. which is the same thing the weapons come directly from there

any time moderate progressive islamic leader is in power we destroy them afghan iraq libya syria all secular socialist countries destroyed by the west and then fundamentalist move in and take them back 500 years, syrian al qaeda good iraqi al qaeda bad

The problem isn't the faith; the problem is all the radical wingnuts who use it to promote violence. Most Muslims just want to go about their business with no more worry than earning a decent living and it's the wingnuts who hold the power in so many Muslim-dominated countries, or else hide out in caves or try to take over a significant portion of a nation so that they can enforce their idea of Shariah law (however you spell that) who cause something like 90% of the problem...the other 10% being nations who think they can "stabilize" things by overthrowing the existing government.

Islam is going through the same violent / terrorist stage that the Christian religion went through in the Middle Ages. And for exactly the same reasons - religion used to justify personal agendas.

The Christians largely resisted their own violent period and tried to keep distant from it - think about the Inquisition and pogroms that visited violence on other parties during that period and through the Tudor age. Strangely enough - Islam is going through almost exactly the same with the majority of Muslims opposed to, but powerless to stop, the violent men.

Should the islamophobes embrace the sunnis first or shiites first?  Should sunnis and shiites embrace gay marriage before the islmamophobes as a way to spread peace around the world? 

Islamphobe talked about they didn't know anything about Islam.
We are religion of peace. we are spreading peace around the world.
And the truth is they have killed and massacred moslem.

Find the truth before say anything, or shut up!!!

Christianity has grown and Islam has gone backwards.  At least middle eastern Islam has gone backwards.  Because no matter the religion, the people in the middle east are savage, starting with Attilla the Hun.  They are his descendants and they have corrupted Islam.  It is not the way Islam is practiced in most of the rest of the world.  Islam can be peaceful and Turkey is an example.

OK so you want to change the subject, which was "I felt safe in Indonesia".  It was peaceful.  You would like the subject to now be "rights of women in Indonesia"? Lets first put the subject that I was discussing to bed. I felt safe in Indonesia, because as I showed you in the data, the violent crime rate is 8X lower than the US.  That's eight.  As in 8X lower.   I felt safe because I was in fact safer than I am at home.  Have I said that yet?  So now that you were wrong, you would like to change the subject.  OK fine. Are women second class citizens in Indonesia?.....sort of but not completely.  They've had the right to vote since 1945. They can do whatever a man does for the most part (except a man doesn't have to wear a head scarf).  You can see they are protesting in the article you cited kc.  Pictures of them with hands in the air marching in Bali.  It is hard for them to press cases of workplace abuse.  The courts haven't had a favorable ear.  Domestic abuse as well.  These things also happen here.There are even national laws against discrimination of women and minorities they can rely on to demand their government enforce them in local areas that attempt to enact discriminatory or restrictive (head scarf) code.

Thomas Edward Lawrence, CB, DSO (16 August 1888[5] – DIED 19 May 1935)

- ISIS - 2014...

The privileged white male speaks. You feel safer there than you do in your own neighborhood, maybe its because Indonesians understand your superior maleness and white privilege. Its not hard to believe you enjoy a country where women are treated as the lesser being and rapes and violent crimes against women are ignored.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-action/Indonesia-sexual-violence
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/01/21/indonesia-rights-rollback-religious-minorities-women

Islam is growing more radical these days not because Islam is radical in and of itself, but rather because the political situations in many of the Islamic states is growing more and more unbalanced, and it is that which is driving the radicalization of Islam. This is, ultimately, a question of power and resources, both inter Islamic and vis a vis other nation states.

When Islam is at its best, it is everybit as peaceful, as loving, and as good as Christianity. It's just that the situation of the lands in which it is dominant are so poor, and that's not, if Diamond is right, Islam's fault, so it hardly ever gets to be shown at its best these days.

Read some T.E. Lawrence. Get a sense of what Islam is really about

Indonesia doesn't suffer from the same violence as other muslim countries because it's almost 100% sunni. Other religions have been banned in the name of "keeping the peace".

http://www.aina.org/news/20140623185542.htm

When the Middle and Dark Ages ended, and the Renaissance came about (much, in part, to the Arab Caliphates and Sultanates that had preserved the works of Aristotle, Plato and others and passed them, after their conquest of Constantinople to Christian scholars in the west) then the Church reflected the excesses of the Renaissance, both in positive and negative fashion. The Christian Church has certainly impacted the development of Western Europe, but Western Europe's development (Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel comes to mind here: make the connections) impacted the Church far more. KC asks which we'd rather live in--Christian or Islamic countries--with the implication that the religion is responsible for the successful development of Christian countries versus those of Islam, but Diamond's thesis is, trust me, far safer than any psychotic screed that KC might manage to pen.

The same is true of Islam. Islam has followed the development of the countries it has spread to. The military strength of the west was enough to save Europe, the steppes of the lower Russias was enough to prevent massive invasions north after the Mongols and the Golden Khanate, and so Christianity was preserved. But where Islam could spread, it encountered societies barely advanced beyond stone age implements, and had a hard enough job laying the least veneer of civilization on them. And of course, in things like female circumcision, it adopted stone age customs as a consequence, in those areas, of being molded by those societies.

 These societies ranged from the Berbers in Morocco to the Mongols and Turks coming in from the Eurasian plains. Christianity appeared, and was adopted into and radically transformed, by the highest civilization running in the world at that time (China's Han Dynasty having collapsed right about the time Augustus ruled and Christ was born). Islam, instead, bore the brunt of the eastern invasions, and as those semi-civilized invaders were tamed, in order to tame them sufficiently to live amongst civilized Arabs, some of their customs were accepted into Islam. These customs, of course, were those of peoples living an extremely harsh life by comparison with the civilized Romans, so to expect Islam to have been able to adopt, from the Turks or Berbers, the same sort of thought and theology that the Christians were able to adopt from the Greek philosophers is simply silly.

The primary impetus for Islam today is drawn from the alienation, backwardness and repression of the states in which it operates. Saddam wasn't an Islamist, he crushed them, and when his hand was removed, we see the reaction of the people in that country, broken down not along religious lines, really, but amongst their natural ethnicities and territorial locales: it is not religion driving the conflict; it is merely the excuse for various power groupings to dance their way to the ultimate fate of the state of Iraq, as many surmise, a breakup into three states. When the Shia kill the Sunnis, that's not Islam at work, that's politics at work, with Islam being a convenient cloak.

Religions impact society less than the society impacts religion. The society in question will turn any religion the way that society is going. The Christian religion at the height of the Roman empire reflected that empire's value: peaceful, philosophical, explaining why the Church Fathers don't read like a bunch of ignorant nomads, but rather as educated and sophisticated men. 
But as the empire fell, the Church turned, in part due to necessity to defend itself from the depredations of the invaders, but as much as a reflection of the much harder, much more violent Dark and Middle ages that followed. Religions do not exist in vacuums: they are led by men drawn from the societies in which they exist, and they will be molded by those men.You can compare the early Church Fathers with that Christian monk who wrote, after the sack of Jerusalem, "it was good that the streets ran red with the blood of the Infidel", and noted with pleasure how many Muslim pregnant women were stabbed through the womb, killing both mother and child in a single blow.

Indonesia has one of the lowest murder rates in the world, substantially lower than the US kc. In fact, it has one of the ten lowest murder rates in the world, way ahead of the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

And since those articles appeared I can provide you ten articles of violent public and/or school shootings in the United States that have killed more people than in any of those presented in your links.   Should I be saying....what a violent and horrible place the US is?.

Look at the world, the whole world. Now look at the nations that islam has built and compare them to the nations that Christianity built. Where would you rather live and what religion would you prefer to live with?
You see roses and perfection, but that's not the reality. I'm surprised that you are so taken with that country while declaring the US a racist and discriminatory country.


http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/02/28/indonesia-religious-minorities-targets-rising-violence

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Jakarta,-Islamic-extremists-rise-against-Miss-World-and-anti-terrorist-squad-28840.html

Tell us what Christian nations?  Maybe you mean nations with a majority Christians.

Bring yourself into the present, look around the world and see what Christian nations have created. Then look at islam and tell me there is no difference? If you still despise the Christian values this country was founded on you are free to move to another nation, maybe one based on atheism.

what is that exactly in the history of humanity?   Nothing or very close to nothing?  No one religion can claim supremacy.  That is kind of the problem in the first place.   Islamic fundamentalists are "thriving" more in today's world.  We should be looking for reasons.   Clearly, believing in Islam alone is not what makes people terrorists.

In the same way a corporation is not a person of itself, to ask what is wrong with a faith is a diversion from the reality of the matter: what you want to ask is what is wrong with these individuals, who happen to agree with each other on a number of things due to similar upbringings.  A man does not become overtly violent the moment he follows Islam; however, individuals raised violently may become involved in this religion, and so it is explained how individuals of X religion or more/less violent than individuals of another religion; the religion is a buffer, it doesn't exist, it only serves to hide the sociopaths of our world through dilution: it's hard to say X group is all violent, and we make the mistake of saying "Well we can't blame all of these people for the actions of a few," perhaps not toward religions or cultures a society despises but more so for their own, when what we really should be doing is classifying these people as a group on their own: we do not have a problem with Islam, or any given faith; we have a problem with sociopaths.

Thus we cannot blame a religion for behavior; the religion does not dictate behavior, it is not a living entity, it is a concept, a product of individuals who agree on a similar set of principles.  If we acknowledge these people operate under a banner, we inevitably get what we have now: a series of nation-states where evil is socialized so as no one person can be blamed (e.g. if America drone-strikes innocents, there is no individual we could ever truly point the finger at; some say the president, some say banks, some say "illuminati", but ultimately it's paid for by the "American people.")  This is how religions, nations, cultures and SJMs (etc.) all tie together: they all act as a shield to protect an individual within a collective from persecution for his actions.  Knowing this, it's a fool's job to insist there is something wrong with a faith as there's always the "exception" within the group who is not as bad as the others, or sometimes downright virtuous (the cornerstone to our collectivist shield.)  This leads to great fights between those who dislike the particular collective (in this case non-Islams, probably predominantly Christian) and those who like/participate in the collective (Islams or supporters of them.)  And vice versa; there's loads of examples of Christians doing naughty things that Islams will always point out, but, as said, the good individuals of a collective always outweigh the bad, so it's impossible to ever call one collective bad without being labelled "intolerant."  So we should see it for what it is: one big group of virtuous people, one small group of vicious people; doesn't matter what beliefs they have, if they're vicious, they're vicious, and I don't associate with vicious people.

Anyway, to answer the question: violent, oppressive childhoods lead to violent, oppressive adults; nix self-awareness, they do only what they're programmed to do, the programmers being their parents for the majority of it (the rest being largely environment.)  Nothing more to it.  If you'd like to see less of these people, make sure you raise your kids as peacefully and rationally as is possible, tell your friends to do the same, and let the vicious people kill each other off.

Nothing wrong with faith itself, wrong are the people that are cattle and blind and stupid.

Thumbs up for this post if i could.  They want their brutal Religion/laws/insanity let them go back to the diseased desert they come from.   They Can rape Camels and kill each other there.

A better question for the OP is what's right with this faith?  Answer: Nothing

Bottom line ..


Feel free to worship the God of your choice, but  
If you want to live under Shariah Law then get the hell
out of my country and go back to where you came from ..

Triff ..

Look at how filthy these little Monkeys are.  You can almost smell them.  I wouldn't trust a crowd of those animals together.

I don't like the idea that they can do whatever they want in their far-away nations, and only be respectful of others in Europe. There are some moderate people everywhere, and there are many Egyptian women who would enjoy more freedom. It's a global village, and we shouldn't tolerate people like islamists who want to impose their views and their laws on others anywhere.

Men never do evil so completely  or so joyfully than when they do it from religious conviction.
Blaise Pascal.
All religions are evil.
It is true that Islam is particularly ghastly and looks likely to be for the foreseeable future.
The Bushite invasion was in pursuit of Iraqi oil but it could not be sustained.
All they achieved was to make it available for fanatics to fight over.
As to nuclear weapons it appears that some shadowy American background figures are doing their best to push the idea, making claims that the Russian arsenal is depleted and old.

GET BUSY: REPORT! REPORT! REPORT! DELETE! DELETE! DELETE!


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659834.0;topicseen

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-do-you-hate-government-662167 (encouraging hate against civil servants)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/thoughts-on-religion-for-a-sunday-morning-661512

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/christians-love-of-the-warfare-state-is-killing-other-christians-633753

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-are-some-of-the-craziest-religions-out-there-623654

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nintendos-rejection-of-gay-relationships-gives-fans-a-lot-to-be-angry-about-601562

Not my thread stir negative emotion regarding islam and muslim people,but the action of some muslim people .Your free to express your opinion ,positive or negative...and i have it too.
I saw other threads,were people express what they don't like  Jews or Christians...so what?Every religion has its bad people ....but some tend to have only bad rather than good.
I am not ignorant,this is a forum were people to express their view on bitcoin,economy,society....no one force you to read and reply to a thread you don't like or agree with it.....so you free to do what you want, even to report me,that won't change my view or opinion over what i posted on this thread.

Dear Trinibits,

Just noticed yet another post with an opinion.  You had better get busy and report this one also.  In fact:

     I believe Trinibits is an intolerant person.

Now you have to report my post too!

Report for what?  its an Opinion, Op has the right to their own Opinion, not everyone is going to like what people post here, as there are many threads I would have reported, go get a life and go to other forums like this that have opinions just like this one.  Trinibits is a troll.

In order to claim Christianity is 'just as bad' as an excuse for Islam , the accusers have go back in history several hundred years and then distort the truth. 
If you only beat your wives and honor kill your daughters, then you're a 'moderate' Muslim. A 'moderate' by Islamic standards would be a murderous, misogynistic, raving lunatic by Christian standards.
And let's not forget that we Americans are the ultimate targets for those currently trying to gain control of Iraq and its oil billions. That will finance just about any terrorist attack on America that these fanatics bent on world domination can dream up. Everything has its price, including nuclear weapons.

http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/muslim-student-who-ignited-media-firestorm-benghazi-panel-family-friend

By reporting the OP and this thread you are not being very tolerant of his opinion.  Why are you so intolerant?

Shameless thread of hatred designed to stir emotion. I shall report to moderator once I get home from work. What next a thread about hatred towards Jews or Christians? This ignorance shouldn't be tolerated or colluded with on this forum

With your logic, if i were to buy an automatic rifle, go to a crowded place and shoot everyone while shouting at the top of my lungs:

"There is no god, atheism is fantastic! Fuck the rules"

All atheists are mass murderers and ridiculously stupid people.

Point being the act of a few =/= the act of the group they claim to represent.

I know many muslims who are perfectly reasonable and friendly people and they do not believe in shariah and terrorism.

I would recommend Morocco. It is a very tolerant nation. There are even Jews living there (thousands of them). No religious conflicts for the last 100 years or so. The only problem is that they don't speak English. 

And all religions are evil, at the moment it must be said that Islam is particularly ghastly.

In the Middle Ages, when Christianity was doing much the same things this post is condemning Islam, Muslim scholars were making massive advances in astronomy, mathematics and other pursuits.

Societies have a close relationship with their principal religion and mankind will stagnate so long as religions are anchoring them.

I do agree that Islam, if it continues with the present bunch of fanatics leading them, will probably go in reverse.

“Men never do evil so completely  or so joyfully than when they do it from religious   conviction.”  Blaise Pascal.

I highly recommend Morocco and Istanbul as well.  I know Indonesia has had some terrorists....so have we. I  haven't looked at the data so Im not sure who has had more wackos kill people for no good reason in their respective countries and whether that difference is meaningful.

You claim that Indonesia is peaceful? Perhaps you need to check these incidents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maluku_sectarian_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laskar_Jihad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Indonesian_beheadings_of_Christian_girls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings

You may feel safe and treated well Skwanderer - as an American male professional of substance and with connections, that would likely be true in many Islamic nations.  Your comfort level says little about the extent of radical activity and sentiment, which more often targets other Muslims who are insufficiently Islamic...   

We're still holding at Guantanamo the Indonesian terrorist leader, Riduam Isamuddin (better known as "Hambali") who was Bin Laden's chief of operations in SE Asia, leader of Jemmah Islamiyah.   Thai Police and CIA captured him in 2005.  Abu Bakar Bashir, who acted as JI's spiritual leader, and was finally convicted (only after Indo govt bowed to international pressure) of conspiracy for his part in Bali bombings, and got 2 and 1/2 years - a slap on the hand considering the act. He walks free today, and is still popular.  Zero doubt elements in the country are sympathetic to, give safe haven to other Jihadists, though they have local goals. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riduan_Isamuddin
http://www.cfr.org/indonesia/jemaah-islamiyah-k-jemaah-islamiah/p8948
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakar_Bashir

Actually, Indonesia is pretty peaceful.  They've had a few incidents over the years but I've never felt anything but safe and welcome in Indonesia.  The people are more friendly to me than they are here at home by a wide margin and I've been all over the main Muslim places like Makassar on Sulawesi.  I love it there.  Id go almost anywhere in Indonesia in a heartbeat. 

Look at the world, the whole world. Now look at the nations that islam has built and compare them to the nations that Christianity built. Where would you rather live and what religion would you prefer to live with? The lefties will tell you that Christians are just as bad if not worse than muslims but can you look at the world and really believe that? Do we really need to change America so that muslims are free to implement sharia law and force Christians to hide their religion behind closed doors?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/isis-stunner-terrorist-organizations-annual-reports-unveiled-reveal-full-investment-

hey, don't be so offensive, this is their culture.. leave them alone!  don't be shoving your white privilege down their throats!!

Members of both the Qatari and the Saudi religious families have been funding the Al Qaeda affiliated groups for many decades now. And the Americans are remaining silent, as they don't want to anger the oil-rich sheikhs. 

Right, that wasn't meant as a challenge to you, but as I read it again I see how it may sound that way.  It was a feeble attempt at "Yeah, what he said."

There are two recent examples.

1. The Qatari support for ISIS in Syria (and probably in Iraq also).

http://world.time.com/2012/09/18/syrias-secular-and-islamist-rebels-who-are-the-saudis-and-the-qataris-arming/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/qatar/10022759/Qatar-playing-with-fire-as-it-funds-Syrian-Islamists-in-quest-for-global-influence.html

2. Qataris supporting the Al Qaeda in Mali.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130121-qatar-mali-france-ansar-dine-mnla-al-qaeda-sunni-islam-doha/

There are many more examples from around the world.

It seems strange to me that the country that gives us and funds a reasonably good news network like Al-Jazeera also uses that money to fund Jihad.

 

first of all i am kathlic...
islam is 600 years younger than christianity... in the 1400 years "we" had the inquisation and the church called for holy wars to free the holy land from the unfaithfull..
seems there are some hardliner who misunderstand or misuse the islam... just like some in christianity missunsed the bilble in the mid eval ages..
there are three religions which are based on a holy book... christianity with the bible, islam with the quran and judaism with the tora... all three religions have more in commen than most think or know...
just my 2 btc

Qatar is pouring in billions of USD every year in to poorer nations such as Bangladesh and India, in order to strengthen the hardline factions there. The moderates are being sidelined as a result of this, as they can't compete with the hardliners successfully. What the Saudis were doing a decade ago, the Qataris are doing it currently.

Qataris are Jihadists?

If it wasn't that serious it would be funny how many people don't know what "Jihad" actually means.

...then we agree...

I don't have any problem with them if they want to implement stone age laws in their own nations. But what I don't want is them to impose their laws on everyone else, especially in Europe.

What's wrong is a total lack of tolerance. Muslims expect you to behave and to dress (especially women) the way they do, and in some places the few radical muslims will kill you if you don't.

Weekly Jihad Report
Jun 14 - Jun 20

Jihad Attacks: 50
Allah Akbars*: 4
Dead Bodies: 565
Critically Injured: 519

*Suicide Attacks

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Prove it.  Show "A Week in Buddhism", "A Week in Christianity", etc., and point out all the current violent similarities.  For example, some links to the head-severing Buddhists, or the Christian groups that machine-gunned a bunch of Islamic kids last week will do.  The fact is, there's currently more violence around the world in the name of Islam than any other religion, even Judaism (Israel).  That's not to say all Muslims are terrorists, but the good ones should do a better job of standing up to the bad ones, lest they all get lumped together.

Go ahead and bring up the Crusades or the witch burnings if it makes you feel better, but I'm more concerned with current activity than ancient history, as ancient history can no longer kill me.

Most of the Islamic countries were peaceful before the Saudis and Qataris began flooding them with the petro-dollars and Jihadi ideology. The Saudis are like a cancer to the world.

i live in indonesia and never heard this news in newspaper, online news portal and television

sidney jones, LOL 
an islamophobia who tried classify islamic people in indonesia with her own categorize
radical islam, conservative islam, moderate islam
and force us to use that, lol
she was expelled and banned from entering Indonesia for two times by government

A few posts from now somebody will tell you how everything you say about islam is also true about Buddhism, Christianity, all religions should be banned, or you should be banned yourself for being an islamophobe spreading terrible lies about the religion of peace.

 


EDIT: I was right: post #30  Why are humans so predictable?

he title says it all...what is wrong with this faith?  Along with the people that practice the 'religion of peace.'

Just one week in the world of Islam. What is wrong with this faith?

What the hell is the problem with Islam? In the past week..

In Kenya:

    At least 34 people have been killed after unidentified armed men stormed the coastal city of Mpeketoni, setting hotels, restaurants, banks and government offices on fire and spraying bullets in streets.

    Kenyan army spokesman Major Emmanuel Chirchir ...  blamed al-Shabaab, Somalia’s al-Qaeda-linked militant group… “They were shouting in Somali and shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’,” he added, meaning “God is great”, in Arabic.

In Nigeria:

    Suspected Boko Haram gunmen have reportedly kidnapped 20 women from a nomadic settlement in north-east Nigeria near the town of Chibok, where the Islamic militants abducted nearly 300 girls in April, most of whom are still missing.

In Iraq:

    Sunni Islamist militants claimed on Sunday that they had massacred hundreds of captive Shiite members of Iraq’s security forces, posting grisly pictures of a mass execution in Tikrit as evidence and warning of more killing to come.

In Syria:

    The Al-Qaeda-breakaway Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria has prevented food and medical supplies from reaching some neighborhoods in an eastern Syrian city, an activist group said Friday.

    The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said ... an offensive by ISIS in eastern Syria against rival Islamic rebel factions has killed more than 640 people and uprooted at least 130,000 since the end of April.

    In Spain:


        Spanish police arrested eight people in a pre-dawn raid in Madrid on Monday, breaking up a jihadist recruitment network led by a former Guantanamo Bay inmate, the government said…

        Spain’s government has said it fears battle-hardened Islamist fighters may return to Spain from Syria… Spain this year marked the 10th anniversary of the March 11, 2004 Al Qaeda-inspired bombing of four packed commuter trains in Madrid, which killed 191 people.

    In Belgium:

    The fourth person to die after a gunman opened fire on the Jewish Museum in Brussels was to be buried in a Muslim cemetery in Morocco.

    Alexandre Strens, whose mother is Jewish and father a Muslim Berber, was to be buried near his grandparents’ graves in the cemetery in Taza, north-east Morocco… A suspect, Mehdi Nemmouche, was arrested in Marseille, southern France, 11 days ago ...

    In Indonesia:

        Radical Islamists in Indonesia have been celebrating and swearing allegiance to ISIS on line, raising concerns that more potential terrorists will be attracted to the conflicts in Iraq and Syria… Jakarta-based terrorism expert Sidney Jones says Indonesians are known to be fighting in Syria, and that Indonesians attracted to ISIS are more radical than the Bali bombers.

    In Sudan:


        The retired Libyan general Khalifa Heftar who is leading the military campaign dubbed as ‘Operation Dignity’ against Islamist militias accused Sudan directly of providing aid to these groups… Heftar says that these militias have wreaked havoc in the North African nation.

        In China:


            China today sentenced three people to death over a deadly attack at Beijing’s Tiananmen Square last October, state television reported, an incident blamed by the government on Islamist militants....

            Five people were killed and 40 hurt when a car ploughed into a crowd at the northern edge of Tiananmen Square and burst into flames…

            All of those sentenced appeared to have ethnic Uighur names. Xinjiang is the traditional home of the mostly Muslim Uighurs, and China has blamed previous attacks on separatists… China has been on edge since a suicide bombing last month killed 39 people at a market in Urumqi. In March, 29 people were stabbed to death at a train station in the southwestern city of Kunming.

        In Australia:


            ON a hot summer’s day earlier this year, a beautiful young Pakistani girl named Amina stood in the living room of her western Sydney home, listening in horror as her father explained how he planned to ­murder her.

            “I am going to kill you now, right here!” he shouted at the 16-year-old. “And no one will say anything about what I do to you. I am too powerful in the community.” Amina’s parents had promised her to a man 13 years her senior and she had made the mistake of refusing to marry him… For years, child marriage in this country has been hidden under layers of culture and tradition in tight-knit communities… Then came news of a 12-year-old girl who was “married” in January to a 26-year-old Lebanese university student in an Islamic ­ceremony at the girl’s home in NSW’s Hunter ­Valley, and the layers of secrecy began to peel away.

            In Britain:


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