Online casino. What's the reliability of the technology? - page 8.

Eureka_07

sr. member

Activity: 1764

Merit: 260

Quote from: noorman0 on April 16, 2022, 11:04:22 AM

Quote from: Cling18 on April 13, 2022, 09:41:10 AM

-snip-
Positive and reliable ratings for me are already enough.

Rating sites don't seem very credible as a basis for trust, let's call it the most popular Trustpilot. Ad managers may employ sockpuppets to provide false ratings and reviews.
I even prefer to read user experience reviews on this forum as my main consideration for choosing a casino, where customer service is also a discussion.

Me too

I would choose to believe those reviews from real experienced gamblers that already played on a site. For me those are more reliable than to those sites that are paid to by the casino itself to review them. I also see a lot of casino review sites which has a good review on those casinos that are known to be scamming people.

Discussing that, I've seen one thread recently on Services board that offers some crypto for real users to publish a review to his site.
This is the thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/write-a-short-crypto-casino-feedback-paying-5-directly-to-your-btc-wallet-5382433

noorman0

hero member

Activity: 1778

Merit: 709

[Nope]No hype delivers more than hope

Quote from: Cling18 on April 13, 2022, 09:41:10 AM

-snip-
Positive and reliable ratings for me are already enough.

Rating sites don't seem very credible as a basis for trust, let's call it the most popular Trustpilot. Ad managers may employ sockpuppets to provide false ratings and reviews.
I even prefer to read user experience reviews on this forum as my main consideration for choosing a casino, where customer service is also a discussion.

Fortify

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 1192

Quote from: Silberman on April 15, 2022, 02:47:23 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on April 13, 2022, 10:27:03 AM

Not a pro on these fields but other third-party auditors and independent sources are checking the reliability and the integrity of these casinos with such algorithms. They themselves probably play on these platforms, and if they see any irregularities on the way the algorithm behaves, they would then try to dig deeper and check whether or not the algorithm is to be trusted or not. Of course, they can publish reports that have some tinge of malice in it, and it's really the judgment and due diligence of the player that will matter the most in the end.

The standard of having a third party audit the code was enough for most people, but since cryptocurrency casinos appeared and gave the opportunity to the players to verify the results were not changed after the fact I do not see this as enough and I am sure many people agree with me, unless I can see the results for myself then there will always be some kind of lingering doubt within myself about the results, which is why I do not gamble in any game in which I cannot verify the results on my own.

In fairness, these attempts at "provably fair" setups are a major step forward when it comes to casino play. In comparison to a real world casino which can have all sorts of settings and leave the player absolutely at the mercy of an opaque system, it offers at least a shred of extra credibility. I'm sure it varies country to country, but I do not know if there is a consistent auditing method for these real casinos beyond making sure that the games do not lose money - the payouts can almost definitely be manipulated on demand. In some places like Vegas where player reward cards are swiped in, this makes it even easier for them to regulate any potential profits you might make as you move around.

Coin_trader

copper member

Activity: 2800

Merit: 1179

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: MonsterV on April 16, 2022, 10:38:20 AM

Quote from: Silberman on April 15, 2022, 02:47:23 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on April 13, 2022, 10:27:03 AM

Not a pro on these fields but other third-party auditors and independent sources are checking the reliability and the integrity of these casinos with such algorithms. They themselves probably play on these platforms, and if they see any irregularities on the way the algorithm behaves, they would then try to dig deeper and check whether or not the algorithm is to be trusted or not. Of course, they can publish reports that have some tinge of malice in it, and it's really the judgment and due diligence of the player that will matter the most in the end.

The standard of having a third party audit the code was enough for most people, but since cryptocurrency casinos appeared and gave the opportunity to the players to verify the results were not changed after the fact I do not see this as enough and I am sure many people agree with me, unless I can see the results for myself then there will always be some kind of lingering doubt within myself about the results, which is why I do not gamble in any game in which I cannot verify the results on my own.

Same here but there are reputable gambling providers isn't? Although I can't verify in most of their games but I trust some of them but yes you are right it still different if you can verify your bets I usually do verify my bets when losing bets consecutively and so far I can verify and tell that it is all legitimate.

At what extent you can verify your bet as legit? I mean the result is always random and the casino usually use RNG to determine the winning bet but the problem is they can't provide the exact source for that RNG software to verify it. This will just make a chain of doubt because you will question the game software>RNG>Audit and so on until you will stop and just believe that the result is fair.

MonsterV

legendary

Activity: 2212

Merit: 1008

Quote from: Silberman on April 15, 2022, 02:47:23 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on April 13, 2022, 10:27:03 AM

Not a pro on these fields but other third-party auditors and independent sources are checking the reliability and the integrity of these casinos with such algorithms. They themselves probably play on these platforms, and if they see any irregularities on the way the algorithm behaves, they would then try to dig deeper and check whether or not the algorithm is to be trusted or not. Of course, they can publish reports that have some tinge of malice in it, and it's really the judgment and due diligence of the player that will matter the most in the end.

The standard of having a third party audit the code was enough for most people, but since cryptocurrency casinos appeared and gave the opportunity to the players to verify the results were not changed after the fact I do not see this as enough and I am sure many people agree with me, unless I can see the results for myself then there will always be some kind of lingering doubt within myself about the results, which is why I do not gamble in any game in which I cannot verify the results on my own.

Same here but there are reputable gambling providers isn't? Although I can't verify in most of their games but I trust some of them but yes you are right it still different if you can verify your bets I usually do verify my bets when losing bets consecutively and so far I can verify and tell that it is all legitimate.

Silberman

legendary

Activity: 2716

Merit: 1383

Quote from: dothebeats on April 13, 2022, 10:27:03 AM

Not a pro on these fields but other third-party auditors and independent sources are checking the reliability and the integrity of these casinos with such algorithms. They themselves probably play on these platforms, and if they see any irregularities on the way the algorithm behaves, they would then try to dig deeper and check whether or not the algorithm is to be trusted or not. Of course, they can publish reports that have some tinge of malice in it, and it's really the judgment and due diligence of the player that will matter the most in the end.

The standard of having a third party audit the code was enough for most people, but since cryptocurrency casinos appeared and gave the opportunity to the players to verify the results were not changed after the fact I do not see this as enough and I am sure many people agree with me, unless I can see the results for myself then there will always be some kind of lingering doubt within myself about the results, which is why I do not gamble in any game in which I cannot verify the results on my own.

South Park

hero member

Activity: 2884

Merit: 794

I am terrible at Fantasy Football!!!

Quote from: Haunebu on April 13, 2022, 09:24:20 AM

I don't really focus too much on RTP and RNG related stuff since reputation of a casino(FIAT or Crypto) matters more to me in comparison. If a casino has a solid reputation, I deposit and gamble away.

If it has a bad reputation, I avoid it like the plague. I have never been scammed so far thanks to researching the reputation of whichever casinos that I played in thoroughly.

That is the way I think as well, I can understand that people are always looking for the best odds on their bets, bonuses, cashback and anything that gives them a slightly higher chance of winning, as even if we gamble for fun at the end of the day we want to win even if we know that over the long term this is not possible, however by far the most important characteristic that a casino must have is to be trustworthy, because even if the casino does not offer the best bonuses you know you will be able to withdraw your remaining capital without a problem.

Kakmakr

legendary

Activity: 3542

Merit: 1966

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: ryzaadit on April 11, 2022, 02:08:31 PM

IMO, even the provider give you the number RTP of their slot.

The only problem, you can't really vouch or check anything for the RTP is that really true or not. We only have "trust" in them, the RTP is what they say. Also, is business scheme they are not gonna share anything about their code or technology.

Even you are their customer using the provider..

Yes the Slot provider provides different options for the RTP for every Slot.. and the gambling site will then tell the Slot provider what RTP they will use. (that is how it was explained to me) The casino can request a change in the RTP ...so it is not fixed.

We have recently even saw Slots with multiple RTPs ..... "The Bowery Boys" Slot from Hacksaw Gaming has multiple RTPs, namely 96.41% | 94.30% | 92.19% | 88.45% ....so it's getting pretty confusing now. Roll Eyes

.....then we have not even talked about "Variance" yet. Roll Eyes

Eric.miller

newbie

Activity: 7

Merit: 0

I feel like its a great option, I started using online casinos and online sportsbooks when the pandemic started. And regarding the reliability, I think its something you can use without any doubt

dothebeats

legendary

Activity: 3542

Merit: 1352

Not a pro on these fields but other third-party auditors and independent sources are checking the reliability and the integrity of these casinos with such algorithms. They themselves probably play on these platforms, and if they see any irregularities on the way the algorithm behaves, they would then try to dig deeper and check whether or not the algorithm is to be trusted or not. Of course, they can publish reports that have some tinge of malice in it, and it's really the judgment and due diligence of the player that will matter the most in the end.

ethereumhunter

hero member

Activity: 2912

Merit: 541

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: 24Kt on April 12, 2022, 06:57:07 PM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on April 12, 2022, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: Beparanf on April 11, 2022, 12:44:13 AM

As a normal gambler and no background on checking the code for reliability, I only rely on the Casino license since a casino undergo to an audit on all thi RTP and fairness of there software. Most the game provider is close sourced and they only open share there game code on license company so as user and gambler. We have no choice to fully trust the Casino license on there games especially those games that using RNG method for the fairness of the game.

Closed source indeed and we dont have any choice but to trust them whether their game are fair or not but as a gambler we could really able to notice it out on the first place when we are testing out the
game and you would really able to feel out that there's something wrong with it.So it would really be just common sense that it would be ideal to stick out with reputable or popular ones which you could
somewhat assure that you are dealing with a fair site.

There's no way that you could able to check out and verify if those slots are fair.Lets just set aside those mind boggling questions and doubts yet this would only stress you out and make out these
assumptions.

The OP's question is hard to determine as it is not publicly available, even if you ask from the casino itself. If you are worried about this aspect, then, better play on reputable casinos with gambling license. At least, the chance of screwing up their players is very low. Because they won't make the mistake of introducing the game with questionable RTP or provable fairness. So this one, is not the usual question of a player to a casino but it is more on how trustworthy is the casino you are playing with?

As a regular gamblers, I guess they let it remain their secret because as long as the casino has a gambling license, they will not try to commit fraud that could arouse the suspicion of the players. The player will never try to play in a casino that he does not know. I think we can trust a trusted casino that can give fairness to every game. It all has to exist, but we also have the choice not to believe it and if we don't believe it, it's better not to gamble at all so that we don't have to suspect everything.

Cling18

full member

Activity: 1708

Merit: 126

Quote from: Haunebu on April 13, 2022, 09:24:20 AM

I don't really focus too much on RTP and RNG related stuff since the reputation of a casino(FIAT or Crypto) matters more to me in comparison. If a casino has a solid reputation, I deposit and gamble away.

If it has a bad reputation, I avoid it like the plague. I have never been scammed so far thanks to researching the reputation of whichever casinos that I played in thoroughly.

A keen gambler would always check on the reputation, reviews, and trust rate of a casino site rather than RTP because once a casino site has good feedback, it already affects the whole performance and services that they offer. Positive and reliable ratings for me are already enough.

Emitdama

sr. member

Activity: 1924

Merit: 328

They may be reliable because if not then we should be earning too much already and most of casinos are now bankrupt by this time because what rtp is shown on the game is not always the rtp that you will get.
(This is just my personal view, do not rely on me for your finance related decisions).

Slots gained popularity because it's one of the early games. There are already slots game via the machines in real life casinos but online gambling that time is not that popular and yes it's so simple and easy to play, no wonder why it's being preferred by the many. All they want to do is to insert a coin on the slot (not the slot game) if it's a machine and pull the lever but on online slots, no need to insert coin, you can just type if how much bet you want to place and then click that spin button.

Haunebu

hero member

Activity: 3290

Merit: 984

www.Crypto.Games: Multiple coins, multiple games

I don't really focus too much on RTP and RNG related stuff since reputation of a casino(FIAT or Crypto) matters more to me in comparison. If a casino has a solid reputation, I deposit and gamble away.

If it has a bad reputation, I avoid it like the plague. I have never been scammed so far thanks to researching the reputation of whichever casinos that I played in thoroughly.

AicecreaME

sr. member

Activity: 2436

Merit: 455

Quote from: Markinzo on April 11, 2022, 12:40:58 AM

To what extent is the online slot game machine RTP reliable based on it's technology?

As words in the street has it that it has gained so much popularity than other casino games due to it's simplicity nature.

Let's discuss, what's your view.

The reliability of a casino's RTP mainly relies on the software, operator, developer, and license they have. Be sure to check all of these to know whether the RTP they declare is reliable. If you check they have a licensed and belongs to a reputable operator, developer, and issuer of license itself, then you can be at ease they are offering the right RTP to you. After all, what you can do is just to verify and trust the given information and the researched information you digged upon.

Since these casinos won't really disclose their algorithm and the software they are using for security purposes for them as well, you can just countercheck whether those who issued license are known. If they lack license, then you should think twice because it is of importance to know if they are abiding the rules, the standards, and processes and procedures required for a casino to operate legally.

24Kt

member

Activity: 1092

Merit: 67

Quote from: stomachgrowls on April 12, 2022, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: Beparanf on April 11, 2022, 12:44:13 AM

As a normal gambler and no background on checking the code for reliability, I only rely on the Casino license since a casino undergo to an audit on all thi RTP and fairness of there software. Most the game provider is close sourced and they only open share there game code on license company so as user and gambler. We have no choice to fully trust the Casino license on there games especially those games that using RNG method for the fairness of the game.

Closed source indeed and we dont have any choice but to trust them whether their game are fair or not but as a gambler we could really able to notice it out on the first place when we are testing out the
game and you would really able to feel out that there's something wrong with it.So it would really be just common sense that it would be ideal to stick out with reputable or popular ones which you could
somewhat assure that you are dealing with a fair site.

There's no way that you could able to check out and verify if those slots are fair.Lets just set aside those mind boggling questions and doubts yet this would only stress you out and make out these
assumptions.

The OP's question is hard to determine as it is not publicly available, even if you ask from the casino itself. If you are worried about this aspect, then, better play on reputable casinos with gambling license. At least, the chance of screwing up their players is very low. Because they won't make the mistake of introducing the game with questionable RTP or provable fairness. So this one, is not the usual question of a player to a casino but it is more on how trustworthy is the casino you are playing with?

qwertyup23

hero member

Activity: 2282

Merit: 795

Quote from: Markinzo on April 11, 2022, 12:40:58 AM

To what extent is the online slot game machine RTP reliable based on it's technology?

As words in the street has it that it has gained so much popularity than other casino games due to it's simplicity nature.

Let's discuss, what's your view.

Online slot game machine's RTP will not be disclosed by the online gambling company as this would definitely backfire immediately. If players know the odds of a certain slot machine in a gambling website, chances are that they would avoid playing on such; ultimately costing the business of the owner of such gambling website.

In terms of reliability, however, there is also no definitive proof to measure it. You would basically rely on the experiences and feedback of players from playing on such slot game machine. You may also consult the customer support service but I doubt that they would disclose any information that is prejudicial to them.

stomachgrowls

hero member

Activity: 3010

Merit: 794

Quote from: Beparanf on April 11, 2022, 12:44:13 AM

As a normal gambler and no background on checking the code for reliability, I only rely on the Casino license since a casino undergo to an audit on all thi RTP and fairness of there software. Most the game provider is close sourced and they only open share there game code on license company so as user and gambler. We have no choice to fully trust the Casino license on there games especially those games that using RNG method for the fairness of the game.

Closed source indeed and we dont have any choice but to trust them whether their game are fair or not but as a gambler we could really able to notice it out on the first place when we are testing out the
game and you would really able to feel out that there's something wrong with it.So it would really be just common sense that it would be ideal to stick out with reputable or popular ones which you could
somewhat assure that you are dealing with a fair site.

There's no way that you could able to check out and verify if those slots are fair.Lets just set aside those mind boggling questions and doubts yet this would only stress you out and make out these
assumptions.

DoublerHunter

hero member

Activity: 2590

Merit: 644

Quote from: fiulpro on April 12, 2022, 09:56:26 AM

~snip~
The slot machines are verified their software is generally double, tripple verified therefore if I trust the site I do see no problem in trying it out.

^ That is definitely the best thing that we can do, always verify and check the provably fair game. Usually, the RTP percentage does disclose below on the screen of the game but sometimes there is an online casino that changes its RTP, and here are the slot providers that allow the casino to change its RTP.
Pragmatic, Habanero, NolimitCity, and Pariplay, all of them which allow casinos to change RTP, we should always verify the provably fair.

magneto

hero member

Activity: 1666

Merit: 753

I wouldn't trust the slots as much as I trust provably fair games.

For provably fair games you can essentially be sure of the fact that you are getting a fair outcome and the house edge is what the casino claims it to be.

However, with slots that are provided by a third party that have no verification mechanics inbuilt, it's a lot more difficult. If you go with the big names (e.g. Pragmatic, NetEnt etc.) you should be reasonably okay though.

Topic: Online casino. What's the reliability of the technology? - page 8. (Read 1909 times)