Topic: OPs should be notified when posts are to be "moved or "locked" by the moderator (Read 652 times)

Exactly my point, a moderator don't have to explain himself to an Op for doing his job. We all know the reason why the moderators are there in the first place, so if they do their jobs and move a topic, lock a thread or even delete a post, there is no reason to send to notify anyone about it or give an explanation. If the post had meet the necessary requirements it wouldn't be locked or moved. If you find out your post has been moved or locked, just take it like that and respect the judgement of the moderator. Even if they give a reason for their actions, many people will want to object to the reason they gave, some might even go as far as trying to teach the moderators their jobs. I think everything is better the way it is.

I just saw this, you are making a good point. Although I don't support the OP's to be notified before the action was taken, they should be duly notified when the action has been taken and it should be an automatic message sent so that it will not be a burden to the moderators. This is because moderators are humans, they make judgemental errors at times, this will give the OP fairness to contest it if need be. I've seen people lamenting their posts being moved unawares and I know at least one that was unjustifiably moved and he contested it and won, people even supported him.

Reading the indignation of users, you involuntarily begin to think that people are ready to monetize every word on this forum. Everyone forgot that the forum is, firstly, communication, which should not be forced or obligatory, but the dramas that people build and the indignation that their answers were deleted, and they do not know about it, just make you smile.

There is a simple rule to sleep peacefully: check all your answers the next day. Sometimes we report topics created by the GPT chat, or even the presence of plagiarism, topics that have already collected three or more pages. Moderators sometimes do not block such topics, but simply delete all the answers with the topic as a whole. In this case, there is also a rule: be attentive to the OP of the author of the topic. Sometimes this is the most ordinary fishing for merits, not carrying any novelty, and deleted by moderators without regret. Value yourself, and do not answer in empty topics if you measure your words by their weight in gold.

The only way that should be a bother to OP is if they're merely posting in caution to meet up weekly quota in strict compliance to their campaign rules. Otherwise, it shouldn't matter. They started a topic and should be able to respond to the topic, no matter where it's moved to; whether it's part of sections to post in to earn from campaign or not.

You know... That moment our posts gets deleted and we also get notification about it, it ignites some tip of warning to be careful on the quality of posts we makes, we get warned to avoid our posts getting deleted and then we gets improved on our post qualities and also mindful of bombastic words that my be inciting either harms or off posts.

This notifications of Moved and Locked Posts is sensible to be implied on this categories whereas it would ignite OPs to categorically push their posts in to the write board.
I have read some tense of quality posts but because it was not posted on the right board, users only passed by and could not respond to it. Only few would tell OP that it is not the right board for the thread so, OP is probably not going to get rightful answers there.

Sometimes Mod moves the thread and even when OP is following  up users replies, he is probably not aware that the post made at the specific board is now existing on the other board.

Also sometimes, OP only visits their own threads when there is a reply notification on the telegram and when users are not responding to the thread, it could probably be that it is being Locked by the Mod due to post qualities or it has probably had numerous replies which maybe leading users to spam. So I think it is also necessary if we can get this as part of the forums automatic notification feature in the forum bar section as implied on deleted threads.

It is really necessary to have our threads on track when being reshaped or tampered by Mod or anyone else.
The workaround has been a techniques to keeping updates of threads as OP though but don't we think it is stressful and will be more convenient for users if these notifications is automatic? My thoughts though.

It would be good if there's a telegram bot that notifies you if your post or thread is moved to different board. I also wouldn't mind if it's the same as the deleted post message that we got when a post is deleted. I received notification on my email when one of my post is deleted so if there's something like it would be a good idea. I don't know if it is possible but I can only say that we should ask theymos or powerglove if he can make something to make like what you mentioned about workaround solutions.

We do find the "Off Topic" section as inferior or a childish board which worthless quality posts are being moved on for discussion. This is an assumption of every OPs trying to make communicable threads but not having it as thought feels discouraging when replies are not flowing and we know most forum users keeps off from Off Topic threads.

So you imagine realizing this course is only when the OP only have an option of going through their post histories meanwhile... If the forum can get a notification feature that can automatically alert the OP of the post being Moved or Locked, I am sure it would serve a better and friendly notation.
Perhaps... There are beginners who might not have been tracking their posts on telegram to have that caption as well.

This ideal is not just to help users on forum campaigns on post counts but a flexibility to denote when your post as an OP is being tampered by a third party.

Experienced forum users wouldn't create topics in the wrong sections. Still, primarily, newbies do, and getting their topics moved without them noticing it or realizing what happened can sometimes get confusing. I believe automated notifications through PM can be helpful in such situations.


I don't know whether it will take a lot of coding, but as far as I know, @PowerGlove doesn't get paid for the patches he does for the forum. 


I don't see where that comes from. OP can't unlock a thread when it has been locked right now, and that wouldn't change even if what's being discussed here is implemented. It is only going to notify the OP about the topic getting locked and possibly the reason for it.

Sometimes I see moved threads have link to the new place the thread was moved to. That is a nice gesture but it doesn't happen often. Is it that it's always at the discretion of the moderator to include such a helpful link. If all moderators leave such a link, it will solve a problem of confusion, especially to the newbies who might not understand how the forum works.
If a mod locks a thread, can OP of that thread be able to unlock it?

I also support for the normal one which we are all used to receive notification about, which is when a post is being deleted, but i don't see much need for a post being moved or lock and the OP being notified of it, there must be a reason for that, except if the ninjastic thread could be able to make an additional task as features regarding this, that members can be notified through their telegram notifier bot on that, else, there is no need for having notification on any of such from my own opinion.

Sometimes after so much effort put in making a post, it is either moved or deleted. I know exactly how it feels from the ops perspective, and at the same time, the moderators have to look at the content, which is exactly what will determine if the post should stay or be deleted. In a case like this, both parties are just playing their roles, so there is no need for everyone to have a better understanding, especially the op. I don't believe the moderator will delete relevant information, thus I agree with you, and if there is consistent checking, anyone may have seen changes in the thread.

Probably not for objecting to the move, but just as a status notification so that the OP knows where the new board of the thread is going to be. It could be an email or a personal message. Or maybe both. But it would have to be configurable from settings. And it's not going to be happening unless someone submits a patch for it, apparently.

I concur with you on having our threads at the appropriate board section but the question is... Do we also believe our threads would be deleted before moderators take them down if have to? I am sure it is NO.

So having our threads on the wrong boards could also be unintentional and having our threads locked by the Mods is also users expectations unless we know the quality and contents of thread may only be of inquiries which if we are satisfied with members helpful response, it can be locked so that it doesn't have to unnecessarily flood the board with it does not have further impacts.

I also understand that it could take a long while for the forum authorities/developers to implement this request request but it should be agreed that even as how uneasy task this may be, it is still commendable if we can make helpful reviews to what is needed in the forum.
Perhaps, we all need flexibility and a friendly forum interface with users.
My thought though.

Great idea tho, it’s just another form of informing the user first and I understand the part whereby a go ahead is not needed. The mods know what to do and they don’t need any permission it’s understandable, just a quick question, after moving a topic without informing the op they still find out right? How long does it take before finding out and sometimes posting without knowing the appropriate board is normal I guess if this rule is implemented few will understand where different post belongs seeing previous text, if I may ask what should this notification contain I mean the context.

I think we are always notified when post are moved to other board section through the notification bots, but however, we shouldn't feel so bad when our post are being move to other boards. The main focused should be that our post should be moved to the right section if we don't actually moved them to right board and I wouldn't see this as an offense or violation because we didn't know where our post should be, though it's a nice idea we get notified when our post is moved even without the notification bots as least with the pm notice it would be more better.

I don't think it's necessarily, if you don't want your thread to be moved then create them in the more appropriate boards. From your post history, you can see where your threads are so no need for all this unless maybe the notification will be automated but again that'll take alot of coding and more expenses on the forum which isn't an urgent problem that the forum should be tackling. It gets frustrating at times when our threads get move to boards that we didn't post them but a moderator moving your thread there would be the right decision 9 out of 10 times.

i tend to agree with you on this one... We've got enough notifying means already... The colored badge, the description that even a newbie would understand... What else?
Op, I think the system is perfect the way it is and doesn't need any more advancement as you may have it... We all know that the only reason why we're usually notified when our post is deleted is to keep us sober. If I'm getting 'em pms coming in too frequently, I'd just feel I'm beginning to drop my quality.

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TBH...
The thing is, people will ALWAYS wanna participate in everything that goes on in here...Moreso, It becomes a sort of competition -- plus the fact that Gloves made an open appeal to anyone that sees a need for a readjustment on the forum's SMF patch.

The notification sent to a user when one of their posts is deleted isn't manual but automated. So, moderators don't need to send manual notifications to users if they lock or move a topic. It can be automated as well, and it can also be logical and helpful if a PM or email is sent to the user containing a note written by the mod who did it to let the user know why the action has been taken.

I don't see anything wrong with that. If we can have an automated notification for a deleted post, we can have them for moved and locked topics, and there is no harm in that.

Since moving a topic doesn't need any explanation or a reason for a user, as we all know, topics are moved when they don't belong to a section. Still, when it comes to locking issues, a reason from a mod to be sent to the user would also act as a warning or at least give a hint for why the topic has been locked, and the same thing shouldn't be repeated.

So, the implementation should ask a moderator why they are locking a topic, which should be included in the notification sent to the user. That's it.

Very nice suggestion and I think this is similar to that thread made by PowerGlove in the thread Determining a topic's lock-type (SMF patch)
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Right at the implementation of this context, forum members can be able to identify if it was a Mod or a Topic Starter of the thread that locked it. Some may see this irrelevant but think it is necessary if this forum must run on transparency as been.

In that of Locking and Moving thread notifications would also serve users better to be aware when their posts are being Moved or Locked probably by the Mod.
This section would play crucial roles for users with daily or weekly tasks with a specific number of posts to make in the forum maybe in some certain boards so that they don't get missed out while thinking they have made their posts on the right tracks.
Verily, it would help members in the signature campaigns to note when their posts have been moved to other board probably not an expected board like those of gambling posts that are majorly moved to off topic board after making your post counts on the gambling board.
It really feels awful hopefully that you have just replied to a relevant post but unknowingly the quality of the post is seemed substandard or irrelevant which could lead to post moved without compliers awareness not until they would have to go through their Posts profile before being aware of it and that seems much complex.
Obviously if user can get notifications signals at such state, it would be better.
I would suggest the Lock Notification should be on the OP signal alone as a privilege of starting up a topic while users have to visit the thread before seeing it Locked as obvious as that mentioned by PowerGlove
Then Moved topic notification should signal both Op and others who has made replies on the topic.

Why do you think some topics or threads are being locked, its either they are spamming or have already been discussed, while in some occasions, some topics have low quality contents and could not portray the standard to a quality post on the required board.

On the other hand, some users will create a topic and never visited the thread again because they are just doing that for nothing sake, while such thread should have been locked after receiving the necessary reply needed in other to avoid spamming the forum, i will end this aspect by saying that if a post really worth of a quality standard and is on the right board, don't even think about the thread getting locked, except otherwise, then why should one be notify on a locked thread, when there are many other notifications more important we are already receiving in their numbers.

So you expect the mods to give you notifications for locking or moving your topic, the topic that you yourself just made, your own topic? Isn't it your job to look after your topic, since you are the OP? What's the point of making a topic and later completely forgetting it? Doesn't make sense, mate  ! Mods won't go around locking and moving random topics, if it's in the wrong board or doesn't contain anything of value then it's possible. The only logical notification I see here is when a post gets deleted. It acts as a warning to the user that he may have did something wrong or something like that!

At all ramifications, you have made valid points and that seems the moderators is acting friendly with the users having the time to let the OP of the thread in some ways on while the Moving or Locking of the threads action is being carried out.

In my opinion, I other to save moderators that stress, I think the system such apartment such be automated which means the signal should come on the notification box. That is aside from users being DMed or PMed.

Just as made obvious that it would help unknowledgeable users such as beginner users of the forum a lot and that as well would some points aligns the user to under that there are specific sub-boards that is basically for a specific discussion after learning the "Moved" of their thread because we have seen users making threads and appealing they don't know if the board is the right place to post the thread.
Also detailed as action of users spamming or some sorts of irrelevant or outdated threads being "Locked".

Maximizing a deep thought of this would sure seem lot of meaningful benefits for users.

You were the one who is getting everything wrong here. I didn't say Powerglove had patched the ops suggesting; rather, I was correcting a member above, which, assuming you paid much attention and didn't remove that part from the content you picked and quoted, you could have understood my statement.

Check my full comment below:

No, the PowerGlow latest patch differs from what the OP is suggesting; the PowerGlow patch only determines who locks a topic, whereas the OP proposes receiving an inbox notification when topics move, similar to how we received messages on deleted posts. If it doesn't require too much work from the admin, I think it's a nice idea.


Haven't we seen enough changes being implemented since last year already? From "OP" indicator to 2fa and now determining a topic locks function. It's getting better

Of what essence is it to even notify you that your post has been moved when you can see it through your profile?

Of what essence to notify you that your post is locked since you can no longer write on it?

For deletion, it is understandable because you might want to take actions and that is enough. I agree with you, there'll be too much of notifications.

I understand the area you are heading to, but sometimes it's not just about post quota being reached; it could also be about putting so much effort into creating a thread that the OP might be expecting a lot of discussion on them, but because of the content, which might lack the information needed to keep it going, it got moved to off topic. If the OP of such a thread doesn't go through their post history, they will never notice such a change has occurred on their post. I believe this is the area the OP is trying to point at.

If I'm not mistaken, the reason for this post was triggered by our signature campaign requirements or our post quota that needs to be counted. Because once a topic is moved to "off-topic," it no longer counts toward your signature campaign post count. So if you’re unaware that your post has been moved, the possible outcome is that you won’t be paid for that post. Thankfully, there are some managers who give consideration in these situations, but what if they don't? If you don’t meet your quota because of this, then all your hard work goes to waste.

To avoid this issue, if your quota is 25 posts, it’s a good idea to aim for 27 posts as a buffer. This way, if any posts are moved to "off-topic" and no longer count, you still have a backup to meet your quota.

OP already gave a reason and that is;
It would be more transparent as user puts it but, what’s the transparency there? Is it that the thread having to move from a board to another as with the current system isn’t transparent?
Or perhaps, the thread doesn’t really suit in the board it’s been moved to by context or arguments in the thread itself?

I’m sorry brother @OP but, even I know too well that threads are hardly moved on the forum and the few times you find threads being moved, it’s really for a purpose of haven’t found itself on the wrong board. However, you could always find the directions on the outline just below your profile dashboard or particular post. Having to notify you don’t change a thing since, there isn’t anything you could do about it.
The mods have tons of work already, save them this one or even still, save the system this patch.

It makes sense having to define the purpose of the delete alert system this way!

It would be irritating to me if I received messages each time my post are moved or locked by moderators.
Only reason for this messages to be acceptable would be in case if posts get deleted for some reason, and I think we already have that.
I guess some workaround could be found with telegram bots and similar notifications.

When it's somewhat complex or not immediately obvious I have messaged users previously when moving a thread with a quick explanation or if I suspect they might not know how the forum works exactly, e.g someone who might not know how to check their post history to see where it has moved. I don't think every single thread that is moved though requires an explanation sometimes it's something straight forward, and its not that big of a deal.

However, sometimes when moving threads some moderators do include a little note when leaving a redirection thread. Whether moderators personal message a user or leave a redirection thread is case specific, and ultimately comes down to moderator discretion.

However, having said that I wouldn't be against having some sort of automated system, which messages users where it has been moved. Although, I'm not sure if that would become irritating to regular users.

I think everyone has got a post deleted every so often. Sometimes it just happens because other posts you were engaging with were removed. It's also easy to get off topic every so often especially when an interested topic comes up, but ultimately ends up getting way off topic. Getting the odd post deleted doesn't mean that you're a poor quality user, just means you're human.

Is this something that can even be added with a PHP patch? I know the entire forum is written in PHP, but for someone to write this, they need to have access to the entire forum's source code (which is something that PowerGlove seems to have for instance) - you can't just download the PHP file and view it raw.

The email address has to be pulled from the database and a new message composed. This is not some stylistic change.

People that spam the forum and get many of their posts deleted by a moderator and get notified for it are not worth the notification. If their posts are deleted more than 50 times, they will be notified that their posts have been deleted. Each posts deleted would be notified. So what makes getting notifications for move and locked topic different? In my opinion, it is better. It is a good idea if we have it.

right, we have been waiting for years for the new forum, and besides the merit update i don't think we got any other big update afaik except the patches from @PowerGlove

Your posts can only be moved to forum trash bin. You will receive notifications when your posts were deleted by moderators, except is if moderator trashed all that thread including your posts in it.

Your threads can be moved to either another board or a trash bin too. In this case it is a thread movement to another board, and you will see it when you click on your Profile, then Show the last topics started by this person.

For example with this moved thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/moved-microstrategys-bitcoin-portfolio-surpasses-20b-roi-now-over-100-5517807

You will see.

In addition, it is shown in a topic title too with MOVED: and grey color.

In many cases the people who create Megatopics are spammers and they don't care much if the topic is closed or moved. The suggestion is good but the million dollar question is when will any update be implemented in the forum? We will need to wait or have someone make the code.

I don't think the OP means it in that way. It's not like he wants the mod to take permission or ask for his permission but he just wants it in a way that he will know that his topic has been moved to another board.
I don't think the mods need to notify the OP while moving a topic, but I think the telegram bot should notify the OP, if it doesn't already do that.
I don't think its a big deal anyway.

Very  nice idea, because even the telegram notification bots doesn't alart ops when his topic have been moved by moderators, adding this feature to bitcointalk will improve things alot at least ops will always be notified to know where and when his topic have been moved.

The essence of all this is not to less the work of moving a thread for the moderators or even the ops himself, but to create that awareness for the ops whenever the moderator does the job for them, instead discovering that your topic have been move only when you visit the thread manually for your posts history.

If possibly it should be an email notification I stead telegram bot notification, since telegram forum notifyer is somewhat a third party bot, but email notifications is forum setting features.

Like I obviously said as quoted The moderator is not taking order from the OP before taking the action but just think the OP needed to eh notified


Yes I agree with you that notification on deleted posts plays an important role or correction to the poster, but if you check the one on Locking and Moving thread it would also help the poster to that the post has become irrelevant that is why it has to be locked it was not posted on the right board.

That definitely would help users on their post qualities and rightful place it should be posted.

I think it would make some relative sense receiving a notification message about ones thread been moved by the moderator to another board just it's done with deleted post.
Am not sure some real newbies do have a clue why their thread got moved to another board away from they one originally had it created, but with such notifications it could draw their attention  and enlighten them better without them having to wonder why their thread got moved.

 But I doubt admin will take this suggestion serious anyway.

Yea, obviously the difference is clear between the subjects of the two thread's. Probably @Churchillvv didn't critical take a notice on the difference before concluding about that.

I agree that a notification for moving threads isn't necessary because the reason is pretty apparent. A topic is moved only when it belongs to another section and has been posted in the wrong section. However, when it comes to locking issues, I believe it's not a bad idea to notify the topic starter about why their topic or thread has been closed/locked.

There can be many reasons for mods to lock a topic; it could be because the purpose has been served and OP isn't doing it himself, or it could be because a topic has become a spam fest and it needs to stop, or maybe a topic goes against a forum rule and has to be locked. So, when a mod locks a topic, they should be asked why they are doing it, and then that reason should be included in the PM or email received by the user who started that topic to make it clear to them why their topic has been locked. I think this can be a helpful feature.

@OP, you can suggest this in the thread: Little things that bug you/me about the forum by @PowerGlove

He might create an SMF Patch with this feature if he likes the idea.

A user who engages in the topic he created/posted will realize that it has been locked or moved in the shortest time possible. People who make posts and then forget them don't deserve any reminder, to be honest.

It's for the sole purpose of reminding and notification, since it's a moderation act of mods and so you can appeal if necessary, just like the deletion of posts. Some forums have feature like this tbh.

Even though I don't know how this could be implemented or how that will help telling the OP before posts are moved or locked, I feel there should be some sort of notification to the OP when threads are locked. That of being moved to another board is not a problem because the Telegram notification will always indicate that the post have been moved by the mods. On a second thought, I think mods move posts to the appropriate boards in line with their duty in the forum and I know they are not answerable to the forum users but the forum administrators who engaged them and give them their duties. To that end, this matter is not really a serious one that is open for discussion.

What the OP means and the thread you are referring to are two different things. I believe you are pointing at this thread . Should moderators make a post to justify why they locked a thread?

Which @PowerGlove have provided a solution to it here Determining a topic's lock-type (SMF patch) and the change was one of the fastest to be implemented by the administrator..

The Mods are going to "Move" or "Lock" it anyway. What would be the point of notifying the OP?
So he can object to the action by the mods? I don't get it.

As for deleting the topic… I think it helps alert the poster not to spam or do the same mistake again. It's sort of a warning to the poster.

This issue has been raised before, I can't find the thread but someone already said something about OP's to be notified before threads are moved or locked and the reason for the action by moderators.

If possible it can be done, it is a good idea.

Would anyone agree with me that before moderator (s) should lock ones thread or moves thread to other board section, the OP should be notified on or before taking the action?
I don't mean where the OP should have to give the moderator a "go-ahead" order before the action but It should be as when our post is deleted and we are being notified about it on the message box.
That would so much create a visible awareness about our posts when moderately tampered.